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Post by ICBM on Feb 11, 2010 14:36:45 GMT -5
While I've enjoyed the Batman movies so far..... CAN WE PLEASE DROP THIS SUPER REALISM CRAP PLEASE! Jeez, or throw a bunch of us a bone and involve Robin in some way? Not even a child Robin, somewhere around 17 or 19 so it's a bit more plausible. And hell use some more visually interesting villains like Firefly, Clayface, or Mr. Freeze. So tired of Mobsters. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I recall that the reason everyone wanted the Batman franchise to stay dead was because it was nowhere near realistic. I also seem to recall how well recieved Batman Begins was because of it's realism that helped to bridge the gap between casual non-comic fans who went to see it because it wasn't just a comic book movie. This helped both it and TDK make insane amounts of money because you had more than just us fanboys paying to see it. I like the way it is and I don't want anything close to supernatural anywhere near this Franchise. Let that happen in animated films. Levae the live action to the realistic stuff that dosn't require too huge a leap of faith or suspention of disbelief.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Feb 11, 2010 14:46:53 GMT -5
While I've enjoyed the Batman movies so far..... CAN WE PLEASE DROP THIS SUPER REALISM CRAP PLEASE! Jeez, or throw a bunch of us a bone and involve Robin in some way? Not even a child Robin, somewhere around 17 or 19 so it's a bit more plausible. And hell use some more visually interesting villains like Firefly, Clayface, or Mr. Freeze. So tired of Mobsters. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I recall that the reason everyone wanted the Batman franchise to stay dead was because it was nowhere near realistic. I also seem to recall how well recieved Batman Begins was because of it's realism that helped to bridge the gap between casual non-comic fans who went to see it because it wasn't just a comic book movie. This helped both it and TDK make insane amounts of money because you had more than just us fanboys paying to see it. I like the way it is and I don't want anything close to supernatural anywhere near this Franchise. Let that happen in animated films. Levae the live action to the realistic stuff that dosn't require too huge a leap of faith or suspention of disbelief. It wasn't lack realism at all that made the last films bad or realism that makes Nolan's stuff good. It was SHOCKER! Bad writing that made the bad ones bad and good writing that made the good ones good. And you lose alot of what makes Batman great, the Batfamily and Bruce's relationship with Catowoman seeing how Nolan has this stupid idea of realism stuck in his head. And all this movie is is a Comics Book movie, people placing this above the "Comic Book Movie" moniker are just trying got find ways to make it sound better than it actually is. That's all the Nolanverse films have been Comic Book Movies. There isn't anything separating it from movies like Watchmen, Incredible Hulk, or Iron Man that places it above those seeing how people think it's not a "Comic Book Movie".
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 11, 2010 14:49:17 GMT -5
It wasn't lack realism at all that made the last films bad or realism that makes Nolan's stuff good. It was SHOCKER! Bad writing that made the bad ones bad and good writing that made the good ones good. And you lose alot of what makes Batman great, the Batfamily and Bruce's relationship with Catowoman seeing how Nolan has this stupid idea of realism stuck in his head. The bad writing was at least partly due to trying to make the bad ones unrealistic (i.e. "camp Batman"). And the last time a filmmaker was forced to shoehorn in characters he didn't want to use in a superhero movie, we got Venom in Spidey 3. I'd rather Robin not show up in the Nolanverse at all than show up in that form.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Feb 11, 2010 14:54:47 GMT -5
The bad writing was at least partly due to trying to make the bad ones unrealistic (i.e. "camp Batman") Because campiness has anything to do things being unrealistic .
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 11, 2010 14:56:09 GMT -5
While I've enjoyed the Batman movies so far..... CAN WE PLEASE DROP THIS SUPER REALISM CRAP PLEASE! Jeez, or throw a bunch of us a bone and involve Robin in some way? Not even a child Robin, somewhere around 17 or 19 so it's a bit more plausible. And hell use some more visually interesting villains like Firefly, Clayface, or Mr. Freeze. So tired of Mobsters. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I recall that the reason everyone wanted the Batman franchise to stay dead was because it was nowhere near realistic. I also seem to recall how well recieved Batman Begins was because of it's realism that helped to bridge the gap between casual non-comic fans who went to see it because it wasn't just a comic book movie. This helped both it and TDK make insane amounts of money because you had more than just us fanboys paying to see it. I like the way it is and I don't want anything close to supernatural anywhere near this Franchise. Let that happen in animated films. Levae the live action to the realistic stuff that dosn't require too huge a leap of faith or suspention of disbelief. The good thing about the Nolan series is that he only allows a certain level of realism in his Gotham- more than a Schumacher, but not so much that Batman can't be Batman. In the real world, the Ledger Joker would have to be very lucky to pull off most of his schemes. A Robin could be a bit more plausible than a Poison Ivy, so long as he's not wearing the short shorts.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 11, 2010 14:58:26 GMT -5
The bad writing was at least partly due to trying to make the bad ones unrealistic (i.e. "camp Batman") Because campiness has anything to do things being unrealistic . Because Flash Gordon '80 and Batman '66 are practically Italian neorealism. Let's just say Hollywood's modern experiments with camp result in disasters much more often than "so bad its good" (Street Fighter '95). Trying to make a film self-consciously campy in the manner of Batman and Robin would be a disaster after audiences grew used to the Nolanverse.
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Feb 11, 2010 15:04:10 GMT -5
Because campiness has anything to do things being unrealistic . Because Flash Gordon '80 and Batman '66 are practically Italian neorealism. Let's just say Hollywood's modern experiments with camp result in disasters much more often than "so bad its good" (Street Fighter '95). Trying to make a film self-consciously campy in the manner of Batman and Robin would be a disaster after audiences grew used to the Nolanverse. Where the f*** are you getting the idea that I want the movies to be campy anyway? You can have a unrealistic Batman story without the camp, I mean the comics and cartoons have only been doing it for decades.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 11, 2010 15:08:00 GMT -5
Oh, so you want a sci-fish Batman that isn't camp? That could be perfectly valid, it just really doesn't fit into the ending of The Dark Knight . Resolve all the loose threads from that trilogy and do the Batman/Superman team up movie, that's the best transition I can think of to go high concept.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 11, 2010 15:12:26 GMT -5
Because Flash Gordon '80 and Batman '66 are practically Italian neorealism. Let's just say Hollywood's modern experiments with camp result in disasters much more often than "so bad its good" (Street Fighter '95). Trying to make a film self-consciously campy in the manner of Batman and Robin would be a disaster after audiences grew used to the Nolanverse. Where the f*** are you getting the idea that I want the movies to be campy anyway? You can have a unrealistic Batman story without the camp, I mean the comics and cartoons have only been doing it for decades. Calm down, okay?
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Post by Michael Coello on Feb 11, 2010 15:18:23 GMT -5
Didn't both movies make money? Forever did, but B & R bombed hard enough to kill the franchise for years. So, 232 million is bombing hard?
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Feb 11, 2010 15:21:42 GMT -5
Where the f*** are you getting the idea that I want the movies to be campy anyway? You can have a unrealistic Batman story without the camp, I mean the comics and cartoons have only been doing it for decades. Calm down, okay? I am calm. Well I was till you told me to calm down so I'm going to bail for a bit before I say something stupid. But I leave on something I would like to see at some point in these movies if they continue on past the third. Give me a Batman movie that ends like this, doesn't matter whether it's campy, serious, realistic, or not I will love it and want to give the director a gold star.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 11, 2010 15:24:33 GMT -5
Forever did, but B & R bombed hard enough to kill the franchise for years. So, 232 million is bombing hard? Considering the actual budget was much higher than the reported 125 mil and the film was near-universally reviled (it has a D+ on BOM, which is very hard to get), yes. Some people claim the B & R budget was actually 200 mil.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 11, 2010 15:30:27 GMT -5
Okay I do agree with Kroot that movies being more fantastic as opposed to realistic does not = movies being campy.
Look at Iron Man, The Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, etc for proof on that. The thing that killed the old Batman series was not the "unrealistic" portayl (let's be honest, a man dressing up like a bat and running around fighting crime and not dying is naturally unrealistic) it was the fact that they were horrible, horrible movies with god awful acting, sets, directing and scripts.
That said, I don't mind either path for the franchise - realistic or fantastic - as long as it's good.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 11, 2010 15:35:45 GMT -5
It was miscommunication. I thought Kroot actually wanted another "camp Batman", rather than a "regular Batman" with sci-fi elements. I didn't realize that Kroot probably wanted something more like Ironman/Spidey 2 in overall feel, which would be good as well.
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 11, 2010 15:41:31 GMT -5
I just wish they'd use some of the lesser-known villains.
I'd give anything for Riddler to hire "The Tally Man" as his enforcer. A small part character (Who first showed up during the Azrael as Batman time) who isn't as much "an assassin" as he is a "debt collector" who collects lives instead of cash.
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Post by Perd on Feb 11, 2010 15:52:46 GMT -5
I would like the next film to be set five years after the event of The Dark Knight. I hope it's the whole Knightfall story line, but just a bit different. It would even be fine if they made it two movies, like Kill Bill. The first movie would be Batman recapturing all the villains, that Bane helped escape except for one. the second film would be Batman dealing with Bane. After defeating Bane, He would return to Wayne Manor. At Wayne Manor he would find Alfred dead, with a knife in his chest, attached to the knife the calling card of The Joker.
Hell, you could even make it a trilogy.It would be hard to make another film, because I don't think Nolan wanted anyone beside Ledger to be Joker. But, if he cast someone else the third part could be Bats vs. Joker again.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Feb 11, 2010 15:54:33 GMT -5
don't make me post my self-made posters .....
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Feb 11, 2010 16:26:35 GMT -5
David Ajala as The Mad Hatter, please.
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Post by Rorschach on Feb 11, 2010 17:07:18 GMT -5
I just wish they'd use some of the lesser-known villains. I'd give anything for Riddler to hire "The Tally Man" as his enforcer. A small part character (Who first showed up during the Azrael as Batman time) who isn't as much "an assassin" as he is a "debt collector" who collects lives instead of cash. Zzazz? I know they're two separate characters, but they sound an awful lot alike. Zzazz collects lives, as well. He gives himself a mark for each one, a concept I find just...scary as hell. In fact, I'd love it if this third film opened with Batman saving a hostage from the newly escaped from Arkham Zzazz; the catch being that Bats is still a wanted man, and has to run as soon as he does this, or perhaps dodge the cops AS he's doing it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 11, 2010 17:44:28 GMT -5
Still want Black Mask. As I've been saying since Dark Knight first came out.
That is all.
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