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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 5:16:31 GMT -5
Didn't both movies make money? Forever did, but B & R bombed hard enough to kill the franchise for years. Batman & Robin was a financial success, and there was a sequel planned with Scarecrow and Harley Quinn as the villains. It was its critical reception that lead to the delay between movies.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Feb 12, 2010 5:48:05 GMT -5
Riddler starts off as a man trying to help the police by finding out Batmans identity (for a price). Of course, he does this to help cover his own crimes while he's at it.
He hires a couple of mercs to help him reveal Batman, mostly smaller cast members like Firefly (In full armour, he's not that impossible. A jetpack and flamethrower is far from the likes of Clayface and Poison Ivy), Tally Man (Everybody's got to pay the Tally-Man), Harley Quinn (Serving most of the film as the Joker worshiping inside-woman in Arkham, supplying Riddler wiith his inmate escapes to aid him on the grounds that he will help her release "her savior" from max security) and the mysterious Hush (Who is hinted at several times to be Harvey, but of course, this isn't the case)
Bats takes out Firefly mid-film, possibly dealing with Zsasz at the start for the opening as someone else suggested. Gordan deals with Tally Man Two-Thirds to the end. Bats confronts Riddler and Harley for the finale and Hush escapes after his reveal with an after credit shot of Hush meeting another villain as a "cliffhanger" (Which COULD be Harvey)
Of course you may argue that this is "too many villains". Do remember though that really Riddler is the main (Raz Al Ghul, Joker), Harley and Hush are the secondary villains (Scarecrow, TwoFace) and Firefly and Tallyman are the third tier for the sake of one or two scenes cameo ones (Zsasz, Scarecrow [In DarkKnight]).
Though if we can get a big screen Scarface and Ventriloquist, I will be very happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 6:19:10 GMT -5
Riddler starts off as a man trying to help the police by finding out Batmans identity (for a price). Of course, he does this to help cover his own crimes while he's at it. He hires a couple of mercs to help him reveal Batman, mostly smaller cast members like Firefly (In full armour, he's not that impossible. A jetpack and flamethrower is far from the likes of Clayface and Poison Ivy), Tally Man (Everybody's got to pay the Tally-Man), Harley Quinn (Serving most of the film as the Joker worshiping inside-woman in Arkham, supplying Riddler wiith his inmate escapes to aid him on the grounds that he will help her release "her savior" from max security) and the mysterious Hush (Who is hinted at several times to be Harvey, but of course, this isn't the case) Bats takes out Firefly mid-film, possibly dealing with Zsasz at the start for the opening as someone else suggested. Gordan deals with Tally Man Two-Thirds to the end. Bats confronts Riddler and Harley for the finale and Hush escapes after his reveal with an after credit shot of Hush meeting another villain as a "cliffhanger" (Which COULD be Harvey) Of course you may argue that this is "too many villains". Do remember though that really Riddler is the main (Raz Al Ghul, Joker), Harley and Hush are the secondary villains (Scarecrow, TwoFace) and Firefly and Tallyman are the third tier for the sake of one or two scenes cameo ones (Zsasz, Scarecrow [In DarkKnight]). Though if we can get a big screen Scarface and Ventriloquist, I will be very happy. That could work for a comic storyline, but I think trying to pull it off in a movie would make things a little too scattered. Maybe if you dragged it across two films. I do want something a little similar, though, but on a smaller scale. As said earlier I'm in the Bane and the Riddler camp (well, I don't even particularly want Riddler, but he'd fit well with what I'm thinking), with maybe a small part for Harley too. Go with the idea of Riddler being hired by the police department to catch Batman that a lot of people have, and combine it with a loose adaptation of Knightfall by way of having Bane break a bunch of criminals out of Arkham (would give Zsasz a chance to do something, and keep up the trend of Scarecrow appearances); then when Bane breaks Batman, turn the focus more toward the Riddler. Have him grow obsessed, eventually going from the Nashton name to Nygma and taking up the Riddler thing and crimes in order to try and lure Batman out of hiding after his abrupt disappearance. When that continues to fail, he could start leaving riddles and hints and such just to try and goad him along, all while becoming more and more obsessed. When Bruce does eventually recover, that would create the opening to both wrap up the nuisance that is Riddler and get revenge on Bane, who has undone a lot of the good that Batman and Harvey Dent have done in the time he's been out of action. Unrelated, the Poison Ivy thing - I think she could work fine in one of the Nolan movies if you tweaked her a bit. Make her powers more downplayed, possibly make it through some time of machine thing or whatever, and play up the eco-terrorist angle. I think she could work nicely.
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Post by thatguybayne on Feb 12, 2010 8:17:24 GMT -5
If Nolan can make a another movie as good as Batman Begins he's done alright by me.
I think there are quite a few villians that could be given the Nolan treatment and still retain the core of what makes them them. Posion Ivy for example could be an eco terrorist who specialises in poisons and toxans without the whole half plant thing. Catwoman could be a tradional cat burgler albeit highly skilled. The Penguin as a mob boss named the penguin for his appearance and fondness of birds.
If Nolan can make Scarecrow plausible he can certainly do so with a lot of other villains.
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