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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 15:51:21 GMT -5
I doubt the Rock's coming back to Wrestlemania. If he did, he definitely wouldn't face off against a putz like Cena. They'd probably have him do some comedy bit with Santino and then a Rock Bottom and People's Elbow. Let me get this straight: Cena is a putz, but Santino would be fine to do wrestling stuff with. I know Cena isn't everyone's cup of tea, but a big reason Santino is even in his role is because he's just not a very talented wrestler. He's good at what he does, and well, that's about it. That's why he blew so badly in his original role that they had to refluff him as a comedy heel. The Rock doesn't need to put on a competetive match with a superstar. See me above post. Him and Santino going back and forth followed by Rock squashing him would become a "Wrestlemania momen" of Sports entertainment history. Leave Cena out to keep whatever storyline he has going on. Like when RVD came back on Raw, except it would be on PPV. I'm telling you guys just having the Rock on a ppv is enough - he doesn't need some historic match to draw people in.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 31, 2009 16:06:49 GMT -5
Let me get this straight: Cena is a putz, but Santino would be fine to do wrestling stuff with. I know Cena isn't everyone's cup of tea, but a big reason Santino is even in his role is because he's just not a very talented wrestler. He's good at what he does, and well, that's about it. That's why he blew so badly in his original role that they had to refluff him as a comedy heel. The Rock doesn't need to put on a competetive match with a superstar. See me above post. Him and Santino going back and forth followed by Rock squashing him would become a "Wrestlemania momen" of Sports entertainment history. Leave Cena out to keep whatever storyline he has going on. Like when RVD came back on Raw, except it would be on PPV. I'm telling you guys just having the Rock on a ppv is enough - he doesn't need some historic match to draw people in. the wrestlers deserve better than that though. And so do the fans of actual wrestling.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 31, 2009 16:08:12 GMT -5
There's not liking the guy, and there's using that dislike to justify a ridiculous premise. If Rock comes back, he's facing Cena. Period. Its bad business. You can have the Rock vs. Hornswaggle and it will still do great. Why waste Cena like that? You could have Cena vs Sheamus III, which will still bring in a big audience. That along with an appearance with the Rock and you'll have a bigger audience. The fact that he's a putz has nothing to do with it - I just wanted to use the word putz. I've given some thought to Cena/Sheamus. That would be it's fourth month. I don't think that fued needs to last that long.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2009 16:22:31 GMT -5
Let me get this straight: Cena is a putz, but Santino would be fine to do wrestling stuff with. I know Cena isn't everyone's cup of tea, but a big reason Santino is even in his role is because he's just not a very talented wrestler. He's good at what he does, and well, that's about it. That's why he blew so badly in his original role that they had to refluff him as a comedy heel. The Rock doesn't need to put on a competetive match with a superstar. See me above post. Him and Santino going back and forth followed by Rock squashing him would become a "Wrestlemania momen" of Sports entertainment history. Leave Cena out to keep whatever storyline he has going on. Like when RVD came back on Raw, except it would be on PPV. I'm telling you guys just having the Rock on a ppv is enough - he doesn't need some historic match to draw people in. I know, I actually agree with you. Rock doesn't need to risk getting hurt, since Rock in a match alone would draw attention and sell PPVs and tickets. I think a tag match tagging with Cena would be a great way to showcase him, Rock gets to pin some heel but the hell is losing against Cena, too, so it's not like it's a typical burial or something, and Rock doesn't have to do much work. You know, that's actually pretty much how they got Trish on the show again, too, and that worked out well. I guess that may be where I got the idea, along with Hogan and HBK vs Hassan and Daivari for the "America is Rad, Yo!" sort of thing.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Dec 31, 2009 16:32:37 GMT -5
I think HBK/Rock would be a bigger match than Cena/Rock. It would also be a better match and build-up due to the performers cutting the promos.
Plus it would allow Rock to go over without hurting anyone involved and at this point there is absolutely no reason for him to come back and job.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2009 16:35:14 GMT -5
I think HBK/Rock would be a bigger match than Cena/Rock. It would also be a better match and build-up due to the performers cutting the promos. Plus it would allow Rock to go over without hurting anyone involved and at this point there is absolutely no reason for him to come back and job. I agree that he wouldn't need to job. Maybe Cena and him could have a double count out if they had it. Bigger matchup? In the world of wrestling, arguably. Outside of wrestling? Cena is more famous by a significant margin. I'm not just saying that, either. He's not as famous as Rock or Hogan, but nowadays, probably more than Austin or Hart outside of wrestling, given he's been in Marine, 12 Rounds(Yes, I know it had a bad run), and tons of commercials. HBK has never really done that kind of media stuff.
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Dec 31, 2009 16:38:28 GMT -5
The Rock was on Hart's side along with the Undertaker and most of the backstage against the kliq. I also heard, while HBK was still active, that him and HHH really tried hard to bury him. But then again the Rock worked with HHH when he had to, although most of the time he was on the losing end. Also this was when he was a regular worker in the WWE and probably had no choice. Now that the Rock's return would be on his terms, I am betting no HBK/HHH match, although HBK/Rock would be the best match. Cena would be the WWE's choice, but a dumb one since Cena would get booed out of the arena and probably have to turn heel if he actually defeats the Rock. Actually what about the Rock/Undertaker(probably not this year, but maybe next)? It has already happened, but I bet it would be a big draw, especially with the streak on the line. Plus I could see the Rock actually doing the job. Be clear. You "heard" from Bret Hart in his book that (big shocker) everyone agreed with him and not with HBK/Vince. Bret claimed that Shawn and Hunter were trying to bury Rock. Bret claimed that the wrestlers supported him over HBK to a man. This is of course, in Bret's mind. That don't make it so. For example: in his book, Bret claims that Steve Austin came to him and said he wasn't taking sides in the Bret/Shawn dispute. Bret then further claims this was only because he didn't want Shawn as an enemy. This is also why he claims Taker never publicly took his side against Shawn (Taker was working with Shawn as the situation deteriorated b/w the two). Of course this is Bret putting words and intentions where there is no proof. It could be, and is very likely that most of the guys just saw two grown men fighting like children and didn't think either had much of a leg to stand on in their unprofessional actions. But to listen to Bret, the whole company just hated Shawn and loved him. Even though after the screwjob no non-family member quit and they all seem to praise Vince to this day (including Mick Foley who supposedly quit for a day only to return and be the first heel to work with Vince after he made his name off Bret).
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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Dec 31, 2009 16:45:51 GMT -5
I think HBK/Rock would be a bigger match than Cena/Rock. It would also be a better match and build-up due to the performers cutting the promos. Plus it would allow Rock to go over without hurting anyone involved and at this point there is absolutely no reason for him to come back and job. I agree that he wouldn't need to job. Maybe Cena and him could have a double count out if they had it. Bigger matchup? In the world of wrestling, arguably. Outside of wrestling? Cena is more famous by a significant margin. I'm not just saying that, either. He's not as famous as Rock or Hogan, but nowadays, probably more than Austin or Hart outside of wrestling, given he's been in Marine, 12 Rounds(Yes, I know it had a bad run), and tons of commercials. HBK has never really done that kind of media stuff. Outside of the wrestling world Cena is not very well known at all. His movies have done nothing and any outside media he has done involving endorsements only run on wrestling shows. As for bringing in the mainstream attention, The Rock will be handling that and does not need Cena as his opponent to bring in outside attention. In fact, he needs someone that can arguably be called the best wrestler. Shawn is known as the best wrestler in the world and especially at Wrestlemania. So let The Rock bring in the attention and let Shawn bring in the hardcore fans of wrestling that otherwise would ignore the WWE. Because I can imagine casual fans coming back to see The Rock, but hardcore fans of wrestling that despise the WWE might purchase the event if it is HBK vs. The Rock, but would not pay to see Cena vs. The Rock. It is akin to the Hogan/HBK match that got big buyrates at Summerslam in 05. At the time I was barely watching the 'E, and could care less about Hogan. But when HBK was going to wrestle Hogan I bought the PPV. There were Hogan casual fans that bought it for Hogan and there were wrestling fans that could care less about Hogan until he was paired with HBK and then they bought it. Plus I don't know how it hurts your standing to put on a dream match that is also good and is remembered. The WWE could possibly keep some fans who bought it for HBK/Rock and then fell in love with wrestling again (or for the first time) due to the performance. I highly doubt any casual fans will watch a Rock/Cena match and then even tune in the next night.
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Post by Jason on Dec 31, 2009 16:58:49 GMT -5
Cena vs The Undertaker. Cena goes undefeated but doesn't win the title.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2009 17:22:53 GMT -5
I agree that he wouldn't need to job. Maybe Cena and him could have a double count out if they had it. Bigger matchup? In the world of wrestling, arguably. Outside of wrestling? Cena is more famous by a significant margin. I'm not just saying that, either. He's not as famous as Rock or Hogan, but nowadays, probably more than Austin or Hart outside of wrestling, given he's been in Marine, 12 Rounds(Yes, I know it had a bad run), and tons of commercials. HBK has never really done that kind of media stuff. Outside of the wrestling world Cena is not very well known at all. His movies have done nothing and any outside media he has done involving endorsements only run on wrestling shows. As for bringing in the mainstream attention, The Rock will be handling that and does not need Cena as his opponent to bring in outside attention. In fact, he needs someone that can arguably be called the best wrestler. Shawn is known as the best wrestler in the world and especially at Wrestlemania. So let The Rock bring in the attention and let Shawn bring in the hardcore fans of wrestling that otherwise would ignore the WWE. Because I can imagine casual fans coming back to see The Rock, but hardcore fans of wrestling that despise the WWE might purchase the event if it is HBK vs. The Rock, but would not pay to see Cena vs. The Rock. It is akin to the Hogan/HBK match that got big buyrates at Summerslam in 05. At the time I was barely watching the 'E, and could care less about Hogan. But when HBK was going to wrestle Hogan I bought the PPV. There were Hogan casual fans that bought it for Hogan and there were wrestling fans that could care less about Hogan until he was paired with HBK and then they bought it. Plus I don't know how it hurts your standing to put on a dream match that is also good and is remembered. The WWE could possibly keep some fans who bought it for HBK/Rock and then fell in love with wrestling again (or for the first time) due to the performance. I highly doubt any casual fans will watch a Rock/Cena match and then even tune in the next night. I am not saying Cena is a megastar, but HBK has about as much recognition outside of wrestling as anyone else on the roster, not more sadly. Cena on the other hand I have friends and family who know on sight and not even Triple H or the like. I'm not saying that is the biggest sample size or something, but it's an indication. Besides, why would a casual fan want to see more after an HBK/Rock match but not Cena/Rock? This isn't 2005, this isn't the Cena that can barely tie his shoes. And this isn't 2003, this isn't the HBK with a full head of hair and a full range of motion. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I'm calling it like I see it. HBK has lost a step. He can't carry a ring rusty Rock any better than Cena could.
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Post by taylorandborland on Dec 31, 2009 17:32:52 GMT -5
Cena vs Batista (WHC) Orton vs Kofi (WWE title) Heel HBK vs Taker Bret vs Vince HHH vs Sheamus Morrison wins MITB Is that what you think is gonna happen or is that what you want? Because...Bret/Vince and HBK/Taker 2 would be huge wastes, HHH/Sheamus is a bigger waste and it's not likely, and there ain't much chance of Cena going to SD.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 19:02:38 GMT -5
Oh, God.
I would rather Cena / Taker than either of those possibilities, by far.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Dec 31, 2009 19:15:10 GMT -5
Eh, I would rather see Rock interact with Rey Mysterio or Sting because he actually expressed interest in working with those two. The only reason I would like to see Rock feud with HBK or Cena is to see the inevitable happen.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2009 19:30:32 GMT -5
Eh, I would rather see Rock interact with Rey Mysterio or Sting because he actually expressed interest in working with those two. The only reason I would like to see Rock feud with HBK or Cena is to see the inevitable happen. Rock vs Rey would be kind of neat. It's not like he'd have to be exactly 100% to throw Rey around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 19:36:13 GMT -5
Rock vs. Orton would be something I'd like to see, actually. It might not be a huge money match on the level of Rock/Cena, but it would be quite interesting.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 31, 2009 19:38:31 GMT -5
Rock vs. Orton would be something I'd like to see, actually. It might not be a huge money match on the level of Rock/Cena, but it would be quite interesting. It'd be the first time they faced each other one on one, but Orton would actually even have something to crow about leading up to it: He actually holds a victory over Rock (From the the 2 on 3 match, with Rock and Foley vs Evolution) without Rock having beat him. On that note, he wouldn't look as bad if he did lose to Rock.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2010 12:26:34 GMT -5
The Rock was on Hart's side along with the Undertaker and most of the backstage against the kliq. I also heard, while HBK was still active, that him and HHH really tried hard to bury him. But then again the Rock worked with HHH when he had to, although most of the time he was on the losing end. Also this was when he was a regular worker in the WWE and probably had no choice. Now that the Rock's return would be on his terms, I am betting no HBK/HHH match, although HBK/Rock would be the best match. Cena would be the WWE's choice, but a dumb one since Cena would get booed out of the arena and probably have to turn heel if he actually defeats the Rock. Actually what about the Rock/Undertaker(probably not this year, but maybe next)? It has already happened, but I bet it would be a big draw, especially with the streak on the line. Plus I could see the Rock actually doing the job. Be clear. You "heard" from Bret Hart in his book that (big shocker) everyone agreed with him and not with HBK/Vince. Bret claimed that Shawn and Hunter were trying to bury Rock. Bret claimed that the wrestlers supported him over HBK to a man. This is of course, in Bret's mind. That don't make it so. For example: in his book, Bret claims that Steve Austin came to him and said he wasn't taking sides in the Bret/Shawn dispute. Bret then further claims this was only because he didn't want Shawn as an enemy. This is also why he claims Taker never publicly took his side against Shawn (Taker was working with Shawn as the situation deteriorated b/w the two). Of course this is Bret putting words and intentions where there is no proof. It could be, and is very likely that most of the guys just saw two grown men fighting like children and didn't think either had much of a leg to stand on in their unprofessional actions. But to listen to Bret, the whole company just hated Shawn and loved him. Even though after the screwjob no non-family member quit and they all seem to praise Vince to this day (including Mick Foley who supposedly quit for a day only to return and be the first heel to work with Vince after he made his name off Bret). Mick's book also says that while no one was quite willing to quit there were a hell of a lot of people who were pissed.
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Post by ak7 on Jan 1, 2010 12:54:47 GMT -5
dwayne johnson aint gona be at wm26
1)first off he will be promoting tooth fairy 2)he's starting to work on a film called faster does anyone think that in between now and wm26 he will do all that and appear on raw and bulk in size up to face cena?
i doubt it
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2010 13:02:26 GMT -5
dwayne johnson aint gona be at wm26 1)first off he will be promoting tooth fairy 2)he's starting to work on a film called faster does anyone think that in between now and wm26 he will do all that and appear on raw and bulk in size up to face cena? i doubt it Tooth Fairy will have been out about two months at that point. ANd he doesn't have to bulk up.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jan 1, 2010 13:04:16 GMT -5
Rock looked jacked at the Smackdown tenth anniversary show.
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