randomranter
Dennis Stamp
When you grow up....... YOU'RE GONNA BE WROOOOOONG!!!!
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Post by randomranter on May 17, 2010 12:09:18 GMT -5
Linda, Rikishi, Austin, JR How did we make it this far without talking about JR's horrible heel turn? Granted, it was forgotten about as quickly as Linda's one-night heel turn. But still..... I think JR's gotta take home the gold on this one. Most pointless Heel turn EVER. It's close, but Linda the walking mannequin takes a close second. She's a McMahon, so a heel turn at some point was required. Rikishi takes home the bronze.
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JLAJRC
Don Corleone
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Post by JLAJRC on May 17, 2010 12:09:26 GMT -5
Ahmed Johnson just looked stupid by the end of his turn. He joins the NOD, then gets his ass beat by them not long after with the NOD basically being "Dude, you're a dumb ass. We hate you, and this was all a trick to get your guard down to kick your ass more. Dumbass" People tend to forget that on the same episode that Ahmed turned heel, he injured himself again (his hand this time), and had to take time off again to surgically repair it. So on the following episode they kicked him out to explain his absence. His heel turn didn't last a week. I don't think Paul Bearer ever explained why he turned on Taker besides being "Sick and tired of being sick and tired." Granted, it did lead to some cool stuff afterwards, but the actual turn itself was kinda bad.
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BigJerichool222
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on May 17, 2010 12:23:06 GMT -5
And the "WHAT?" chant very much killed off his chance to get over as a heel. Those chants kill EVERYONE's chance of getting over as a heel.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on May 17, 2010 14:25:51 GMT -5
After reading the IWC arguments thread I was reminded that a lot people seem to that a heel turn would always help a wrestler's career (especially if the wrestler's name begins with "J" and ends with "ena".) But this isn't always the case. Take Rikishi's heel turn for example. The fans just weren't going to accept the man who spent the past year dancing with 2 Cool and rubbing his bare ass in people's faces as a bad-ass capable of threating Stone Cold and the Rock. Anyone else got any examples of heel turns gone wrong? The problem with the Rikishi turn is that what so many wrestling companies don't get - since Hogan turned in '96 - is that the biggest face in the company turning heel does not immediately create the biggest heel in the company. It ain't that simple.
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Post by derangedhermit on May 17, 2010 14:46:03 GMT -5
Anybody who joined the Alliance IMO. Not true: Test's turn to the Alliance made sense. Basically, Test's past ties with Shane made him a target of scorn and supscion eventually leading to him getting beat down by the APA. Rightfully, he feels unwanted and joins the Alliance.
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Post by derangedhermit on May 17, 2010 14:50:00 GMT -5
After reading the IWC arguments thread I was reminded that a lot people seem to that a heel turn would always help a wrestler's career (especially if the wrestler's name begins with "J" and ends with "ena".) But this isn't always the case. Take Rikishi's heel turn for example. The fans just weren't going to accept the man who spent the past year dancing with 2 Cool and rubbing his bare ass in people's faces as a bad-ass capable of threating Stone Cold and the Rock. Anyone else got any examples of heel turns gone wrong? The problem with the Rikishi turn is that what so many wrestling companies don't get - since Hogan turned in '96 - is that the biggest face in the company turning heel does not immediately create the biggest heel in the company. It ain't that simple. You have to provide good reasoning why they turned. Batista's an example of a good heel turn: he's insecure and is sick of people like Rey and Cena sniping at his spot. Honestly, I don't mind Edge's recent heel turn because no one bought him turning face in the first place.
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Big L
Grimlock
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Post by Big L on May 17, 2010 14:53:40 GMT -5
Bring back braden walker
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Post by jivesoulbrah on May 17, 2010 15:00:20 GMT -5
Oh come on how come JR has only been mentioned once? JR by far had the worst heel turn! Not only that, but nobody gave a crap that he did.
I can't believe Kidman hasn't been mentioned. I accidentally injured Chavo(legit) and I feel horrible about it, but two weeks I decided to say f*** it and hate anything and everyone and not give any explanation because the fans don't deserve one.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on May 17, 2010 15:31:55 GMT -5
Get used to it, kid. He ain't coming back, and he never will. Oh, and he's not a meme.
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Post by madness50 on May 17, 2010 15:44:44 GMT -5
The JR heel turn still makes me scratch my head. He comes out and rips the company that he works for and then brings out a fake Razor and Diesel to get back at them? Why in the world did Vince think that was honestly going to work?!!! The second JR heel turn after his stroke was a bigger flop due to the fact when he kicked Cole in the nuts, the audience cheered like crazy.
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4real
Wade Wilson
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Post by 4real on May 17, 2010 15:52:42 GMT -5
Anybody who joined the Alliance IMO. Not true: Test's turn to the Alliance made sense. Basically, Test's past ties with Shane made him a target of scorn and supscion eventually leading to him getting beat down by the APA. Rightfully, he feels unwanted and joins the Alliance. That was pretty much the only one I think, apart from the ECW guys but most of them were heel anyway Christian joined just because he was a heel too Regal joined basically because he thought Austin was a model champion rather than Angle....er WTF?
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littlenaitch
Dennis Stamp
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Post by littlenaitch on May 17, 2010 16:03:06 GMT -5
I don't even think the Eddie 2003 angle with Tajiri was even a heel turn. What did Eddie do that wasn't already doing? To me, this begins with Tatanka in 1994. This is the grand daddy of all bad WWF heel turns. The guy was a popular babyface, he insisted that Lex Luger was a dirtbag that wasn't really into his pro American schtick and was really in with Dibiase. Then at Summerslam 1994 it was revealed that Tatanka was really on Dibiase's payroll and he did the heel turn instead of Luger (who is a more natural heel). The problem is that Tatanka did nothing different in his act. He still dressed as the same Indian and all that, just now as a heel. It was a terrible, career killing heel turn. What's sadder is that Tatanka made his little comeback a few years ago on Smackdown and WWE tried yet AGAIN to turn him heel and of course it didn't work and he was released. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. 100% totally this!
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 17, 2010 16:11:58 GMT -5
Regal joined basically because he thought Austin was a model champion rather than Angle....er WTF? Ya know, I'd kinda forgotten about this one, but his was kinda foolish too. He was pretty over as a face commisioner standing up to the Alliance
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Post by David Otunga: Eternian at Law on May 17, 2010 16:56:22 GMT -5
Charlie Haas sorta half assed heal turn post knocking Lillian off the apron where he started teaming with Visera.
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Post by Hurbster on May 17, 2010 17:12:06 GMT -5
Only one man did it for the.........................Rock Only one man did it for the.........................People
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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on May 17, 2010 17:43:14 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one as mentioned Jeff Hardy's heel turn back around 02-03 time which only lasted like 2 or 3 weeks and ended with him being kicked in the face by HBK, what really was the point of that? and who the hell thought it was a good idea in the first place?
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Post by derangedhermit on May 17, 2010 18:26:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one as mentioned Jeff Hardy's heel turn back around 02-03 time which only lasted like 2 or 3 weeks and ended with him being kicked in the face by HBK, what really was the point of that? and who the hell thought it was a good idea in the first place? Probably Jeff Hardy
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Post by Jason on May 17, 2010 18:33:24 GMT -5
Tatanka in 2006. He wanted revenge on "the white man", and came after... Bobby Lashley??
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Post by waluigi on May 17, 2010 18:34:19 GMT -5
He wanted revenge on "the white man", and came after... Bobby Lashley?? Well, yeah...makes sense. May as well go after the whitest wrestler on the roster...
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h
Hank Scorpio
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Post by h on May 17, 2010 18:35:28 GMT -5
Yeah the Tatanka thing is doubly disturbing because they tried to do a bad heel turn twice with this guy and it wrecked his heat both times. The 1994 turn was worse because everything pointed to a Luger heel turn, since Luger could actually work as a heel. By mid 1994 Luger's heat as a face was gone, his All American gimmick having tanked. A heel turn could have actually revived his career, since he could have cut promos along the lines of "I tried to do everything for you people, I tried to do it the right way...and you still didn't care! I didn't get the title!" But, no. They turned Tatanka to swerve everyone, then you had a feud with a rapidly losing heat babyface Luger vs. a totally heatless Tatanka. ...and then they put Tatanka into tag teams that had no chance of winning the titles and just didn't make sense. Teaming with Bam Bam Bigelow? You mean, the guy who insulted Tatanka by cutting his hair? Or I.R.S.? The guy who tore up Tatanka's headdress due to the unpaid gift tax? My choice, though, would be the 1-2-3 Kid. He was popular as a face and could have done very well if the WWF had brought in anyone else that was close to his size. Instead, they had him make the world's most obvious heel turn (he was bickering with Razor Ramon and was then made the referee in a Razor-Sid match), got lost in the shuffle of the Million Dollar Corporation (did he do anything at all with DiBiase's group?), and topped it off by losing to Razor and being forced to wear a diaper.
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