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Post by corndog on May 17, 2010 23:19:39 GMT -5
Yeah but the difference was that Jericho actually ended up appearing and everyone knew he was leaving WCW and signed a contract with the WWF. I am glad other people agree with me, let's face it's over man. I was getting so sick and tired of people saying he was going to replace Bret Hart in the match tonight. Where the hell did that even come from? I am betting he will get released and go back to ROH. If he doesn't get released he will end up in FCW where he will be used to make green wrestlers look good and put over the other young talent. So I hope they just let him go and quit humiliating the guy. To be fair, replacing Bret in the match would have looked much better than the actual match. Very very true, but atleast they did a better job with this match than the Bret/Vince WM match that went on way too long. I just was saying it had no basis from anything.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:20:49 GMT -5
You're right. There was no concrete evidence that Danielson would come back, and his last run wouldn't exactly make him a draw with the casual audience.
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Post by randomranter on May 17, 2010 23:20:53 GMT -5
To be fair, replacing Bret in the match would have looked much better than the actual match. Booking a jobber with a 1-11 record that Bret had absolutely no ties to or no association with instead of picking one of his family members, another Canadian wrestler, or someone that the fans outside of the IWC actually give a shit about would have made absolutely no sense at all.
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Post by immortalphenom on May 17, 2010 23:22:28 GMT -5
Yeah but the difference was that Jericho actually ended up appearing and everyone knew he was leaving WCW and signed a contract with the WWF. I am glad other people agree with me, let's face it's over man. I was getting so sick and tired of people saying he was going to replace Bret Hart in the match tonight. Where the hell did that even come from? I am betting he will get released and go back to ROH. If he doesn't get released he will end up in FCW where he will be used to make green wrestlers look good and put over the other young talent. So I hope they just let him go and quit humiliating the guy. To be fair, replacing Bret in the match would have looked much better than the actual match. What are you on? He would've gotten booed out of the building. I'm pretty sure half the crowd was only there to see Bret, not some jobber.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 17, 2010 23:28:57 GMT -5
......that the WWE really doesn't have any big plans for Bryan Danielson? First, he was "obviously" supposed to win NXT. Then, his losing streak was "obviously" to set up for a big win and a title match vs Miz where he'd win the US belt. Then, his 0-10 streak was "obviously" supposed to be some elaborate setup so he could win NXT. Then he was supposed to somehow replace Bret in the middle of Canada and win the US belt. Now he's supposed to beat Miz in the finals of some tournament that hasn't even been announced yet. What will it take for you guys to finally admit......there's no grand scheme. There's no big plans. They've turned him into a jobber, and he's probably not going to get a hell of a lot further in the WWE than Evan Borne. jeez, man, give it some time and have some faith. when cm punk first came to wwe, they didn't just give him the ecw championship first day he got there. danielson will get his wwe glories in due time (and, IMO, that might still be sooner rather than later).
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on May 17, 2010 23:29:28 GMT -5
To be fair, replacing Bret in the match would have looked much better than the actual match. What are you on? He would've gotten booed out of the building. I'm pretty sure half the crowd was only there to see Bret, not some jobber. BUT HE'S BRYAN FREAKING DANIELSON! He should have EVERY SINGLE TITLE and go UNDEFEATED!
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:29:56 GMT -5
No one has ever recovered from an initial push as bad as Danielson's.
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Post by Dub H on May 17, 2010 23:31:46 GMT -5
Geeh,i never knew WC and IWC could be more childish about something that doesnt involve Triple H or John Cena
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Post by Krimzon on May 17, 2010 23:33:44 GMT -5
......that the WWE really doesn't have any big plans for Bryan Danielson? First, he was "obviously" supposed to win NXT. Then, his losing streak was "obviously" to set up for a big win and a title match vs Miz where he'd win the US belt. Then, his 0-10 streak was "obviously" supposed to be some elaborate setup so he could win NXT. Then he was supposed to somehow replace Bret in the middle of Canada and win the US belt. Now he's supposed to beat Miz in the finals of some tournament that hasn't even been announced yet. What will it take for you guys to finally admit......there's no grand scheme. There's no big plans. They've turned him into a jobber, and he's probably not going to get a hell of a lot further in the WWE than Evan Borne. jeez, man, give it some time and have some faith. when cm punk first came to wwe, they didn't just give him the ecw championship first day he got there. danielson will get his wwe glories in due time (and, IMO, that might still be sooner rather than later). Yeah. All CM Punk got was a winning streak and a Main Event Championship Match on PPV; a shitty PPV, but a PPV nonetheless.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:33:45 GMT -5
Geeh,i never knew WC and IWC could be more childish about something that doesnt involve Triple H or John Cena Like strawman arguments, doncha?
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Post by smoot on May 17, 2010 23:34:06 GMT -5
Regarding Danielson, I think it's turning into a "SAVE_US.Y2J" situation. . Would that it were. I think the way WWE handles most of Jericho's booking (from that awesome countdown clock idea to through SAVE_US to the present) has been, overall, excellent. Take the big crossover from WCW. It did rely on Jericho being a known name, but you could watch it on the level of "I wonder what they're counting down to?", if you never heard of him. Then (WCW obviously being a big promotion that even diehard WWF fans knew), when the big "JERICHO" came up on the TitanTron, a huge part of the audience either cheered or thought "man, everyone's cheering- I wonder what's the deal with this guy?" and kept watching. And for a moment, this guy interrupted the promotion's flagship mid-promo. The bookers felt confident that he could upstage The Rock for a few minutes, and let him. It didn't rely on knowing everything about Jericho to that point (the 1004 moves list, conspiracy victim, etc), but it didn't exactly contradict it, or put him under a new gimmick or name that asked you to not think about the past in order to make sense. And from that point forward it was "I wonder what's going to happen now, with this new guy in the mix?" People who knew him from before were already thinking up "dream matches" or imagining what kind of fun stuff Jericho could get up to. It was about as perfect as a debut can get. And while it hasn't been 100% perfect booking since, it was a great start. At no point did it rely on first burying Jericho as a guy from "that promotion that sucks, ergo he sucks" (fills a high school gym, or whatever), losing 0-10 without even a "WWF Wrestling Challenge" level 'debut victory' to establish him to new viewers, then having him be one of the first eliminated from a "next big name!" competition, with only a couple of "really close" losses to make up for it... (breathing) ...then having him 'ditch the gimmick' and hoping the fans go on YouTube and look up his matches from those 'high school gym' promotions that'd been run down up to that point, in order to see what kind of talent this 'peewee' has. As much as I'd like AmDrag to take the WWE by storm (and believe me- I hope I'm wrong here), this is NOT how to do it.
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Post by Dub H on May 17, 2010 23:36:02 GMT -5
Geeh,i never knew WC and IWC could be more childish about something that doesnt involve Triple H or John Cena Like strawman arguments, doncha? Dont know what it means and i dont even want to know. Only going to say that the litte war has gone ridiculous
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:37:12 GMT -5
The thing to remember about Jericho is that his gimmick is such that he could lose matches but still be over because he's basically been slotted in a Ted Dibiase (Sr.)-like position. Danielson doesn't have that luxury and Jericho at his jobbiest was still allowed to look threatening. Daniel Bryan looked inept, and why should we have cared about him?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 17, 2010 23:43:22 GMT -5
Maybe it's possible they're doing something different?
Maybe's it's possibly, nay probable, that they're trying some sort of push where he isn't pushed to the moon, yet isn't Colin Delany. Maybe they're going somewhere with the "Daniel Bryan was fake, Bryan Danielson is for real" type deal.
I don't like either extreme since one is odd and helps no one, and the other is Russo style smark booking and high levels of paranoia at their finest, but I'd wager on a medium between the two.
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Post by Krimzon on May 17, 2010 23:44:44 GMT -5
You know, I'd laugh hilariously if they have him come back on NXT Season 2 as Bryan Danielson and have him own everybody.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:45:37 GMT -5
Why did they give him a stupid pathetic jobber gimmick if they wanted him to get over? Wouldn't it be better to bring him in Danielson in the first place and have him kick heads in?
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Post by immortalphenom on May 17, 2010 23:47:06 GMT -5
You know, I'd laugh hilariously if they have him come back on NXT Season 2 as Bryan Danielson and have him own everybody. Now there's a plausible story. He gets sick of jobbing and using a fake name, so he snaps and comes back as an ass-kicking machine.
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Post by immortalphenom on May 17, 2010 23:49:07 GMT -5
Why did they give him a stupid pathetic jobber gimmick if they wanted him to get over? Wouldn't it be better to bring him in Danielson in the first place and have him kick heads in? At this point, he could've been brought in to make Michael Cole look like a decent commentator for all we know. People just have to get past this and wait at least until NXT is done. How long was it after Tough Enough that The Miz started getting big?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 17, 2010 23:49:52 GMT -5
jeez, man, give it some time and have some faith. when cm punk first came to wwe, they didn't just give him the ecw championship first day he got there. danielson will get his wwe glories in due time (and, IMO, that might still be sooner rather than later). Yeah. All CM Punk got was a winning streak and a Main Event Championship Match on PPV; a s***ty PPV, but a PPV nonetheless. that was not my point at all. my point was that they didn't give punk the belt as soon as he got to wwe, yet everybody seemed (and seems) to expect danielson to get every belt except the women's and diva's belts, and even then the IWC would be trying to think of ways to get him those too. hell, it took undertaker a year to win his first world title, and look at him now. like i said, be patient, and you may see great things happen.
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Post by Krimzon on May 17, 2010 23:50:15 GMT -5
How long was it after Tough Enough that The Miz started getting big? 2 years.
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