JMA
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Post by JMA on May 18, 2010 1:07:56 GMT -5
When threads like this stop popping up every five minutes?
Seriously, do you expect people to stop talking about him when you make threads like this? Logic should not be treated as an enemy.
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JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 18, 2010 2:05:19 GMT -5
Evan Bourne has won a lot more matches than usual lately. Regarding Danielson, I think it's turning into a "SAVE_US.Y2J" situation. Remember when those vignettes started airing, and a lot of people were all like "Jericho's coming this week, Jericho's coming this week... oh.... Jericho didn't come this week? Jericho's coming next week." It's turning into that with Danielson. Yeah but the difference was that Jericho actually ended up appearing and everyone knew he was leaving WCW and signed a contract with the WWF. I am glad other people agree with me, let's face it's over man. I was getting so sick and tired of people saying he was going to replace Bret Hart in the match tonight. Where the hell did that even come from? I am betting he will get released and go back to ROH. If he doesn't get released he will end up in FCW where he will be used to make green wrestlers look good and put over the other young talent. So I hope they just let him go and quit humiliating the guy. I think he was referring to Jericho's comeback in 2007.
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Matt Dunn
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Post by Matt Dunn on May 18, 2010 3:10:47 GMT -5
Didn't Meltzer say he was gonna win?
Exactly.
He should get his release, return to ROH and reclaim the ROH Title.
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Post by slickster on May 18, 2010 3:35:53 GMT -5
WWE would not have had Danielson work extremely close matches against Chris Jericho and Batista if they had plans to release him. Not even CM Punk was booked to have close matches with WWE's upper card until he moved to Raw.
It appears the goal was to have him win the first season of NXT, but once it became clear that their poor writing was killing everyone's heat, they chose to remove him from the show and change his name so that no one would associate him with the program anymore.
Basically, the writers realized they had screwed up NXT so badly that having Danielson win NXT would have been a negative thing for his career.
The only reason they keep NXT going is because, well, they have to given all the $ they've spent promoting it (plus their obligations to Syfy). Also, WWE doesn't like to give up on a losing venture because it makes them look bad (which is why ECW limped along for a few years before being cancelled).
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Post by waluigi on May 18, 2010 3:38:38 GMT -5
Logic should not be treated as an enemy. Then why are you upset at this thread? op is letting people know what's real, what isn't, just based on precedent.
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Post by The Cool Pup on May 18, 2010 4:27:31 GMT -5
After lasting 5 minutes with Batista I can't help but think that is meant to mean something.
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JMA
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Post by JMA on May 18, 2010 5:11:32 GMT -5
Logic should not be treated as an enemy. Then why are you upset at this thread? It's not, I just enjoy pointing out logical fallacies. Gives me a warm tingly feeling.
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Post by randomranter on May 18, 2010 5:17:42 GMT -5
hell, it took undertaker a year to win his first world title, and look at him now. like i said, be patient, and you may see great things happen. You do realize that Undertaker was undefeated on TV for that first year, right? In fact, his first loss was at the Tuesday in Texas PPV, six days AFTER he won his first title. There's absolutely no way Undertaker would have gotten over if he had spent the first three months of his career on his back losing to everybody up to and including Sam Houston and the Brooklyn Brawler. I would just like to clarify my original post. I'm not saying the WWE is going to fire AmDrag tomorrow (though it's not out of the realm of possibility). They obviously do have some use for him, even if it's just to put other guys over as a JTTS. I'm just saying that these grand plans we keep hearing about where people insist that he's going to instantly break out and win every belt on the roster next week are just pipe dreams. He'll probably get the same treatment as most similar jobbers: He'll get a semi-impressive debut, a feud to build at least some credibility, and some decent wins. MAYBE a short run with the US or IC belt when they have nothing better to do with it. Once he's estabilished, he'll fall into his JTTS role, winning only enough to keep his credibility in check, to advance another storyline, or to get into MITB at Wrestlemania every year, where I expect him to take Shelton Benjamin's place.
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Post by wwerules60 on May 18, 2010 5:48:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he'll be joining the Hart Storyline soon, Cole was heeling it up on Bret at the end of the match tonight and defending the Miz like he did on NXT with Danielson.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2010 6:39:30 GMT -5
I think that there should be one official Danielson thread.
The WWE has been booking much better lately, and while I doubt that Danielson is going to win some US title tournament or anything of that nature, I fully expect him to show up in the near future and be involved in some sort of storyline.
Patience grasshoppers, let it play out.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 18, 2010 10:49:09 GMT -5
Im still going with my GP idea.
Bret vacates the belt, and declares a 16 man tournament, Bryan enters the tournament and beats progressively better guys, and loses the final unclean. Whoever it is against, he has a feud with them that ends with him winning the belt at Summerfest....slam....fest.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 18, 2010 10:51:45 GMT -5
akeem, at least YOU'RE listening to me.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 18, 2010 11:02:27 GMT -5
Well, he's still under contract. Until he is released, I won't admit anything.
No one knows what WWE's plans are for AmDrag. Since he is still under contract, I'd have to believe that they still have plans for him at this time.
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on May 18, 2010 11:14:06 GMT -5
WWE would not have had Danielson work extremely close matches against Chris Jericho and Batista if they had plans to release him. Not even CM Punk was booked to have close matches with WWE's upper card until he moved to Raw. It appears the goal was to have him win the first season of NXT, but once it became clear that their poor writing was killing everyone's heat, they chose to remove him from the show and change his name so that no one would associate him with the program anymore. Basically, the writers realized they had screwed up NXT so badly that having Danielson win NXT would have been a negative thing for his career. The only reason they keep NXT going is because, well, they have to given all the $ they've spent promoting it (plus their obligations to Syfy). Also, WWE doesn't like to give up on a losing venture because it makes them look bad (which is why ECW limped along for a few years before being cancelled). I have to disagree with this. It's pretty much all speculation without any proof because if he was supposed to win he would have won a match before week 10. Also it wasn't a vehicle to get Danielson over. It was made to get everyone over and in that respect it did to an extent. But really none of us know anything about this storyline and a lot of fingers are point different directions. While i don't think he's going to tear up the scene and win every championship, i also don't think he's going to be released because the WWE wouldn't acknowledge Danielson outside of the E. Either way i'm curious to see not only where this goes, but how this board reacts when it goes
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 18, 2010 11:59:24 GMT -5
......that the WWE really doesn't have any big plans for Bryan Danielson? First, he was "obviously" supposed to win NXT. Then, his losing streak was "obviously" to set up for a big win and a title match vs Miz where he'd win the US belt. Then, his 0-10 streak was "obviously" supposed to be some elaborate setup so he could win NXT. Then he was supposed to somehow replace Bret in the middle of Canada and win the US belt. Now he's supposed to beat Miz in the finals of some tournament that hasn't even been announced yet. What will it take for you guys to finally admit......there's no grand scheme. There's no big plans. They've turned him into a jobber, and he's probably not going to get a hell of a lot further in the WWE than Evan Borne. I mark for this post! Look, Danielson is a great wrestler. a true technician and all that. But the same people who bitch and moan about various forms of "cm punk appreciation threads" are the same people who keep waiting...and waiting...and....aaaaand....waiting for the BIG PUSH to begin. Give up guys and gals. If it hasn't even remotely even begun to look like it might happen by now it aint happening period.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 18, 2010 12:05:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Vince could throw Danielson into a pack of rabid pitbulls and have them rip him apart and some of the Amdrag marks would still think that would constitute a "big push".
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Post by slickster on May 18, 2010 12:31:45 GMT -5
WWE would not have had Danielson work extremely close matches against Chris Jericho and Batista if they had plans to release him. Not even CM Punk was booked to have close matches with WWE's upper card until he moved to Raw. It appears the goal was to have him win the first season of NXT, but once it became clear that their poor writing was killing everyone's heat, they chose to remove him from the show and change his name so that no one would associate him with the program anymore. Basically, the writers realized they had screwed up NXT so badly that having Danielson win NXT would have been a negative thing for his career. The only reason they keep NXT going is because, well, they have to given all the $ they've spent promoting it (plus their obligations to Syfy). Also, WWE doesn't like to give up on a losing venture because it makes them look bad (which is why ECW limped along for a few years before being cancelled). I have to disagree with this. It's pretty much all speculation without any proof because if he was supposed to win he would have won a match before week 10. Also it wasn't a vehicle to get Danielson over. It was made to get everyone over and in that respect it did to an extent. But really none of us know anything about this storyline and a lot of fingers are point different directions. While i don't think he's going to tear up the scene and win every championship, i also don't think he's going to be released because the WWE wouldn't acknowledge Danielson outside of the E. Either way i'm curious to see not only where this goes, but how this board reacts when it goes Can you name any other rookie WWE wrestler who - was hyped as being an 'international superstar' before his debut - was given the featured segments on the opening episode - took Chris Jericho to the limit in his debut match - worked a competitive match with Batista in his first 3 months with the company? I'm just saying that neither CM Punk nor Scotty Goldman was given that kind of elevation in their first few months on WWE television. It appears to me that WWE wanted to elevate Danielson by showing he was tough but too willing to take risks, which cost him matches. However, they dragged it out too long to the point that the fans saw him as Colin Delaney 2.0. Dave Meltzer reported that creative only realized this when the fans didn't pop for his pinfall victory over Santino on Raw. That's why they decided to change his name and get him as far away from NXT as possible the very next night so the fans will presumably forget his many, many losses to NXT Rookies. If WWE truly didn't care about him or about how the crowd responded to him, they would have kept booking him to lose and he'd still be on NXT. The fact they made up an excuse to take Danielson off NXT tells me that creative has plans for him. (The same can be said for Tarver, since he mentioned in his scripted post-elimination promo that he needs some way to make money to feed his family. That statement leads me to believe Tarver will replace Virgil as Ted DiBiase's bodyguard soon.) I never said NXT was intended solely as a vehicle to get Danielson over. The point of the program is to get all 8 Rookies some TV time so the WWE Universe knows who they are when they end up on Raw or SmackDown in the coming weeks. However, one guy is going to 'win' NXT and the original plan was for Danielson to be that guy.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 18, 2010 12:37:47 GMT -5
People have longer memories than you think. Ans what they'll remember of Danielson WWE run won't be good.
I'm surprised they didn't just hit the self-destruct button on NXT yet, but I guess they want to drag it out long enough to give Barrett at least a token win. No way NXT has been effective in actually getting people over, as the reaction to Danielson's win over Santino proves.
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Post by slickster on May 18, 2010 12:43:53 GMT -5
I think they're contractually obligated to Syfy to continue NXT so they can't just kill it. Even if they could end it, it would make WWE look like failures so they won't do that.
I think WWE changed his name back to Bryan Danielson so if no one watched NXT (like most of the WWE Universe) then he will be a new fresh face.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 18, 2010 12:45:22 GMT -5
Syfy cancelled NXT already. It is scheduled to end in October. If WWE ended it early I doubt anyone would miss it (especially since they'll get Smackdown anyway).
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