randomranter
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Post by randomranter on May 18, 2010 16:02:41 GMT -5
Can you name any other rookie WWE wrestler who - was hyped as being an 'international superstar' before his debut - was given the featured segments on the opening episode - took Chris Jericho to the limit in his debut match - worked a competitive match with Batista in his first 3 months with the company? I'm just saying that neither CM Punk nor Scotty Goldman was given that kind of elevation in their first few months on WWE television. Can you name any other wrestler who - was jobbed out every single week for their first three months with the company, including being on the wrong end of several squash matches - was visciously bashed by an otherwise FACE announcer - had an announcer actively give fans reasons to hate them every single week and still managed to get over? CM Punk actually had a VERY strong run on ECW, maintaining a small undefeated streak of his own, was the leader of a "New Blood" faction, had a run with the ECW belt, got a rub from DX at Survivor Series, etc. He got elevated more in one week than Danielson did in his entire WWE/NXT run to date. That would explain his matches with Jericho, Khali, etc. And even Batista. But he lost clean in several other matches, including Regal, Skip Sheffield, and several other rookies. And some of those were outright squash matches. That's not being booked as "too willing to take risks, which cost him matches". That's outright being jobbed out. And this is nothing but baseless speculation on his part. I could make up the same BS based on what I saw on TV, and the only thing that separates my educated guess from his is that people are willing to believe anything with the word Meltzer slapped on it. They didn't "make up an excuse to get him off NXT". The guy was 0-10. If they didn't remove him from NXT and removed ANYBODY else, it would have make the whole NXT concept look dumber than it already was. If anything, they would have had to "make up an excuse" to keep him ON NXT. Well, they do have to write up *some* kind of interview for him. But just because they said XYZ doesn't necessarily mean that they have a specific plan for him. Tarver may very well be the next Virgil. Or we may see him under a completely different gimmick in six months with no mention of his NXT run at all (See Dolph Ziggler and them never mentioning his run in the Spirit Squad, or Luke Gallows/Festus). Or they may let him linger for a while and release him outright. I don't believe any of their exit interviews hint at future storylines, and were written solely so they'd have *something* to say as they left the show. I have a similar theory, but we don't know that for sure. Again, baseless speculation on the part of dirtsheet writers being passed off as "inside information". My theory is that Danielson was the original guy, but they decided to focus on others for whatever reason. But that's my guess and nothing more. Maybe Barrett was the plan all along. Or maybe they have no clue and are just going week-to-week.
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Post by corndog on May 18, 2010 16:28:04 GMT -5
Sorry guys, let's just move on with our lives.
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 18, 2010 22:12:38 GMT -5
......that the WWE really doesn't have any big plans for Bryan Danielson? First, he was "obviously" supposed to win NXT. Then, his losing streak was "obviously" to set up for a big win and a title match vs Miz where he'd win the US belt. Then, his 0-10 streak was "obviously" supposed to be some elaborate setup so he could win NXT. Then he was supposed to somehow replace Bret in the middle of Canada and win the US belt. Now he's supposed to beat Miz in the finals of some tournament that hasn't even been announced yet. What will it take for you guys to finally admit......there's no grand scheme. There's no big plans. They've turned him into a jobber, and he's probably not going to get a hell of a lot further in the WWE than Evan Borne. Looks like they have some plans buddy ;D
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Post by Janitor From Mars on May 18, 2010 22:17:35 GMT -5
Being pinned clean by virgil in 10 seconds That's RAW Superstar Virgil tm to you good sir. Fixed for accuracy and so that he can charge more for an autograph.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 18, 2010 22:19:29 GMT -5
There's something cooking.
Michael Cole walking out like a little bitch and replaying that thing the rest of the night...something is in the works, and I look forward to it.
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smoot
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Post by smoot on May 18, 2010 22:19:36 GMT -5
Okay, remember when I said I hoped I was wrong about them having no plans for AmDrag? Here it comes... "YAY!"
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on May 18, 2010 22:24:47 GMT -5
They made him stereotypical Internet Smark....I think he was better off before to be honest.
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Post by Alex Shelley on May 18, 2010 22:49:39 GMT -5
*lols heartily at this thread*
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officedepot6905
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He's gonna take you back to the past
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Post by officedepot6905 on May 18, 2010 23:29:42 GMT -5
I can understand being pissed about people wanting him to win all the titles today, and run through everybody. But the guys who are saying he is going to be released....come on!
Do you really think the writers told him to go out there and say, "hey kid go out there and promote how good you were in the INDIES, talk about how you werent created by the wwe and you are a wrestling machine, All the pros will say how good you are as well, even punk and regal will tell miz you are better than him. then beat up cole so we can release you next week."
the only way danielson gets released is if they catch him doing coke off of reid flairs ass.
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AriadosMan
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 18, 2010 23:38:08 GMT -5
They made him stereotypical Internet Smark....I think he was better off before to be honest. So, he appeals to the IWC, but he still goes nowhere? Brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 3:38:21 GMT -5
Let's look at some of the facts... This is a guy who is basically considered Shawn Michaels' best student. The guy who guys like Michaels and Regal have been telling the company to get for years. After that, the company spent years and years trying to get him. When they finally get him, they agree to let him completely bypass FCW, if memory serves. Then, the put him on NXT with a different name, and have him lose every damn match. He gets cut, and cuts a promo basically about how much of an ass-kicker he is. He also brings up the independent scene. Before that, WWE NEVER acknowedged that there was an indie scene. They've got plans for him. And I'm really starting to think that the NXT thing is the beginning of a subtle little swerve for us. One that wouldn't really seem out of place to an average viewer. A million times THIS.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 19, 2010 3:51:55 GMT -5
I love how WWE has handled Bryan only because NO ONE has predicted any of it, all the optimists were wrong saying he'd win NXT and then shot down by the collection of the IWC who moan about everything, people said he'd be released (Har har!!), there's no plans for him. We're all wrong! Well done WWE
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Dave at the Movies
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Post by Dave at the Movies on May 19, 2010 4:10:35 GMT -5
I love how WWE has handled Bryan only because NO ONE has predicted any of it, all the optimists were wrong saying he'd win NXT and then shot down by the collection of the IWC who moan about everything, people said he'd be released (Har har!!), there's no plans for him. We're all wrong! Well done WWE I agree. After watching NXT last night I think WWE finally put one over and worked the IWC.
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jamielowndes {N}
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 19, 2010 4:37:11 GMT -5
Yep, the WWE got us again. Kayfabe is alive and well, it has just evolved to accommodate the internet.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 19, 2010 4:40:39 GMT -5
I love how WWE has handled Bryan only because NO ONE has predicted any of it, all the optimists were wrong saying he'd win NXT and then shot down by the collection of the IWC who moan about everything, people said he'd be released (Har har!!), there's no plans for him. We're all wrong! Well done WWE You've inspired me to go back and see what I predicted back when NXT started: Of course, the dilemma here is that while NXT is aimed at the smarks (and it has to be, because no one else is going to pay attention to WWE's obscure C-brand), the two main shows certainly aren't, and Daniel doesn't exactly have any of the qualities that appeal to mainstream audiences. At all. I suspect that Daniel'll be played up as the favorite and the central figure on NXT, but will lose the final decision (match? vote? karaoke?) for who wins the contract in an "upset" to someone who fits the WWE mold a bit more (probably Otuga, although it's too early to say), he'll kayfabe develop a bit of humility and respect for the WWE superstars and everything they go through (though he'll still get a chance to kick Miz's ass), and then he'll wind up on season 2 of NXT, either still competing for a contract or as one of the new "pro"s. ...yeah, that's not happening. Actually, in the sense that Bryan's still on NXT and being used as a focal point of the show even though he's not going to be the winning, we're on track. But the "respect and humility" bit... heh. I knew the whole angle was being done to work smarkdom, but I didn't expect WWE to go so far as to have Bryan ranting that only big body builders and company-manufactured guys would get a chance in WWE. They're taking this farther than I predicted, and that's a pleasant surprise.
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Post by Baixo Astral on May 19, 2010 5:08:28 GMT -5
I think I might lock this thread, just because I find it annoying.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 19, 2010 5:18:06 GMT -5
......that the WWE really doesn't have any big plans for Bryan Danielson? First, he was "obviously" supposed to win NXT. Then, his losing streak was "obviously" to set up for a big win and a title match vs Miz where he'd win the US belt. Then, his 0-10 streak was "obviously" supposed to be some elaborate setup so he could win NXT. Then he was supposed to somehow replace Bret in the middle of Canada and win the US belt. Now he's supposed to beat Miz in the finals of some tournament that hasn't even been announced yet. What will it take for you guys to finally admit......there's no grand scheme. There's no big plans. They've turned him into a jobber, and he's probably not going to get a hell of a lot further in the WWE than Evan Borne. Looks like they have some plans buddy ;D How amazing is that picture? Bryan Danielson kicking Michael Cole in the head whilst being held back by Matt Striker all the while WWE commentator Josh Mathews looks on. IWC wet dream much?
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Post by seamonsters on May 19, 2010 5:21:15 GMT -5
The funny thing is, we know NOTHING abo0ut whats gonna happen. Amen. People need to start judging angles after it's played out, not at the beginning. Another great example of that, is the most old-school-style booked feud of the last 12 months: Laycool - Mickie James. The heels come out and embarrass the face week after week, only for the face to get revenge, the title and the heels get their comeuppance. And there was still complaints (make the face too strong in a feud, people go meh, book the otherway and people look for hidden meanings) (I realise people will then say that McCool won the title back a month later, but there'd been little interaction between the two for a month, and Mickie had a staph infection, so they had to get the title off her one way or another, and it was "rematch clause" or give it to Beth, which means we wouldn't have had the Beth face turn and chase) Disagree, there's been far too much interaction for it not to happen. Once NXT finishes, I expect that Danielson will go to the Raw GM looking for a contract, and being offered a match against the Miz. People were always expecting Bryan to win NXT, then get his prize by beating the Miz, and the WWE were presumably happy for people to think that, which is why The Miz didn't drop the strap until after Bryan was eliminated. WWE would not have had Danielson work extremely close matches against Chris Jericho and Batista if they had plans to release him. Not even CM Punk was booked to have close matches with WWE's upper card until he moved to Raw. Again, Amen. There's no way Danielson would have been allowed to have looked that good against Batista, if he was making a promo the next night, that effectively eliminated him from NXT. Totally disagree. Here's what my theory has been on there for ages: Only the most loyal WWE fans watch the C shows, and Danielson was there to get people interested in NXT, to bring ratings. There was no point in ever having Danielson win NXT from Day One, for one simple reason - he didn't need it. To me, it seemed obvious that he wouldn't win as soon as they brought up his past. The NXT winner will be pushed as the WWE's newest star, and one that is WWE born and bred - something they've never even tried to do with Danielson. The NXT winner is someone that will need an extra push, because they can't quite get over on their own merits (which rules Barrett out as winner), or through other means (which rules Otunga out). At this point, the most likely winner of NXT will be Justin Gabriel, becoming Jeff Hardy's replacement as the high-flying good-looking tag team partner of Matt Hardy. I did think it would be Heath Slater until recently, but it appears that the WWE are creating a Tag Team division again - the roster has got too big not to - and Slater's spent four years in developmental and hasn't got over, even with a win over Jericho, so will probably be FE'd alongside Skip Sheffield and Darren Young. Winning a competition is never negative. Remember just how awful the last two Diva Searches were (even compared to the first two)? What are the winners of those doing now? Oh yeah, they're the Womens and Divas champions, and one of them is the only reason that Michelle McCool has ever been able to get any heat. I mark for this post! Look, Danielson is a great wrestler. a true technician and all that. But the same people who bitch and moan about various forms of "cm punk appreciation threads" are the same people who keep waiting...and waiting...and....aaaaand....waiting for the BIG PUSH to begin. Give up guys and gals. If it hasn't even remotely even begun to look like it might happen by now it aint happening period. No-one on NXT is going to get a big push. Let's say for example that half the IWC's fantasy came true on Monday, and that Bret waved away his US title shot, so that Danielson could have it. What would that do to the competiton on NXT? Darren Young wouldn't have looked heartbroken, and the rest wouldn't have been concerned about the pro's poll, because they'd have just seen one of the guys eliminated at the first time of asking getting the same thing, as the winner of NXT, before the winner of NXT did. It would make a mockery of the entire show, if one of the NXT rejects even gets hired before the winner is announced. All we can say, is that if Danielson were not to have some future ahead of him, his promo last week, and his promo and beatdown of Cole this week would not have aired. (And that Danielson and Tarver got in-ring interviews, and Sheffield got a backstage promo suggests that we haven't seen the last of Danielson or Tarver) Patience is a virtue, my friend. The man on your sig was in the WWF for over four years before he got his first big push. It was over a year before him and his tag parter were allowed to beat anyone not called The Conquistadors or The Bolsheviks on TV (unless we're counting DQs) They're keeping NXT going because it's cheap enough to produce, and they get enough advertising to keep it viable. It's pretty much all speculation without any proof because if he was supposed to win he would have won a match before week 10. Also it wasn't a vehicle to get Danielson over. It was made to get everyone over and in that respect it did to an extent. Yeah, if Danielson is as good as his fans say he is, he won't need NXT to get over. It's there to get others over. Danielson had a fanbase. Barrett, Gabriel, Slater, Tarver and the rest did not. Syfy cancelled NXT already. It is scheduled to end in October. If WWE ended it early I doubt anyone would miss it (especially since they'll get Smackdown anyway). SyFy haven't cancelled NXT (it isn't SyFy's to cancel) - they've decided to double the amount of WWE programming they air (presumably the viewing figures of ECW and NXT were more than good enough for them), so the WWE is looking for a new network to air it's C show. Whether that will be NXT will depend on how season 2 goes. But really none of us know anything about this storyline and a lot of fingers are point different directions. While i don't think he's going to tear up the scene and win every championship, i also don't think he's going to be released because the WWE wouldn't acknowledge Danielson outside of the E. Either way i'm curious to see not only where this goes, but how this board reacts when it goes [/quote]
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on May 19, 2010 6:50:08 GMT -5
I think I might lock this thread, just because I find it annoying. If you do that 5 more will just spring up in its place.Bryan has taken Undertaker/HBK 2 hype/Speculation's place as something that makes me hesitant to open threads.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on May 19, 2010 10:37:48 GMT -5
For both sides of the argument, I would like to remind everyone that there is no prize given to having a correct prediction on the internet.
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