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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:50:29 GMT -5
He'll have to actually show up on WWE programming post-NXT first, which he hasn't.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on May 17, 2010 23:51:43 GMT -5
He'll have to actually show up on WWE programming post-NXT first, which he hasn't. It hasn't even been a full week yet. Geezus.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:53:21 GMT -5
Just like when they said the ex-ECW people would be "properly utilized" on the other brands.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 17, 2010 23:54:10 GMT -5
At no point did it rely on first burying Jericho as a guy from "that promotion that sucks, ergo he sucks" (fills a high school gym, or whatever), losing 0-10 without even a "WWF Wrestling Challenge" level 'debut victory' to establish him to new viewers, then having him be one of the first eliminated from a "next big name!" competition, with only a couple of "really close" losses to make up for it... (breathing) ...then having him 'ditch the gimmick' and hoping the fans go on YouTube and look up his matches from those 'high school gym' promotions that'd been run down up to that point, in order to see what kind of talent this 'peewee' has. As much as I'd like AmDrag to take the WWE by storm (and believe me- I hope I'm wrong here), this is NOT how to do it. Nobody said it was a good build. But I cannot for the life of me think of why they would have him do that promo ditching the "Daniel Bryan" name, with Joey Styles putting up a kayfabe-erriffic Tweet about searching "Bryan Danielson" on You Tube, give him significant interaction with an upper-midcarder, and give him two major matches on Raw - the former of which saw Danielson get pretty over - and then just drop him. I doubt they'll push him to the moon, but this whole thing shows signs of being an angle with a goal in mind. The only question is what that goal is.
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Post by immortalphenom on May 17, 2010 23:54:16 GMT -5
How long was it after Tough Enough that The Miz started getting big? 2 years. Exactly. I won't say he has no future in WWE, but you can't expect the guy to go from jobber to main event overnight.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 17, 2010 23:54:37 GMT -5
What are you on? He would've gotten booed out of the building. I'm pretty sure half the crowd was only there to see Bret, not some jobber. BUT HE'S BRYAN FREAKING DANIELSON! He should have EVERY SINGLE TITLE and go UNDEFEATED! HE ALSO HAS TO MADE CENA, BATISTA AND HHH TAP AT THE SAME TIME DAMMIT
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Post by Krimzon on May 17, 2010 23:54:38 GMT -5
Just like when they said the ex-ECW people would be "properly utilized" on the other brands. Well, there is Christian. He may be a JTTS, but he looks damn good doing it. And he still manages to make people think he can actually win a big match.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:56:01 GMT -5
Just like when they said the ex-ECW people would be "properly utilized" on the other brands. Well, there is Christian. He may be a JTTS, but he looks damn good doing it. And he still manages to make people think he can actually win a big match. So, one guy who would have had a WWE career regardless came out of ECW intact. At this rate, the only guy who will come out of NXT intact and marketable is Wade Barrett.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 17, 2010 23:56:18 GMT -5
I love the bountiful amount of wishful thinking so many employ with his direction on WWE. When everything that has been on-screen points to the contrary.
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Post by Krimzon on May 17, 2010 23:57:07 GMT -5
Well, there is Christian. He may be a JTTS, but he looks damn good doing it. And he still manages to make people think he can actually win a big match. So, one guy who would have had a WWE career regardless came out of ECW intact. At this rate, the only guy who will come out of NXT intact and marketable is Wade Barrett. With the current rookies, that's the best possible outcome.
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Post by AriadosMan on May 17, 2010 23:57:30 GMT -5
I love the bountiful amount of wishful thinking so many employ with his direction on WWE. When everything that has been on-screen points to the contrary. The Great Pumpkin is gonna come rising out of the pumpkin patch and make Danielson WWE champ!!! You'll see I'm right!
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Post by corndog on May 17, 2010 23:58:20 GMT -5
At no point did it rely on first burying Jericho as a guy from "that promotion that sucks, ergo he sucks" (fills a high school gym, or whatever), losing 0-10 without even a "WWF Wrestling Challenge" level 'debut victory' to establish him to new viewers, then having him be one of the first eliminated from a "next big name!" competition, with only a couple of "really close" losses to make up for it... (breathing) ...then having him 'ditch the gimmick' and hoping the fans go on YouTube and look up his matches from those 'high school gym' promotions that'd been run down up to that point, in order to see what kind of talent this 'peewee' has. As much as I'd like AmDrag to take the WWE by storm (and believe me- I hope I'm wrong here), this is NOT how to do it. Nobody said it was a good build. But I cannot for the life of me think of why they would have him do that promo ditching the "Daniel Bryan" name, with Joey Styles putting up a kayfabe-erriffic Tweet about searching "Bryan Danielson" on You Tube, give him significant interaction with an upper-midcarder, and give him two major matches on Raw - the former of which saw Danielson get pretty over - and then just drop him. I doubt they'll push him to the moon, but this whole thing shows signs of being an angle with a goal in mind. The only question is what that goal is. Maybe the goal was for a very established wrestler from the independent scene to be brought in to help establish no name wrestlers. Or possibly they did plan to do something with him, but for whatever reason they aborted it. The justifications for him losing and looking bad are starting to fade and not be backed up by anything. Until he actually shows up on Raw and Smackdown I am just going to assume the WWE is either not ready or not ever going to push/utilize his talent. I tried to stay faithful, but after becoming one of the first competitors eliminated from a kayfabe contest to become a WWE wrestler I have lost that faith.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on May 18, 2010 0:00:34 GMT -5
How long was it after Tough Enough that The Miz started getting big? 2 years. AND I STILL HATE HIM!!!!!
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Post by AriadosMan on May 18, 2010 0:00:49 GMT -5
With the current rookies, that's the best possible outcome. Not saying it isn't, but that's an awful lot of collateral damage attached to a show that promised "the future", esp. since most auds will know Danielson as "that guy who really sucked on NXT". Barrett at least had good promos and Y2J as a mentor, which are far superior to what most of the NXT people had.
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Post by smoot on May 18, 2010 0:02:02 GMT -5
Maybe it's possible they're doing something different? Maybe's it's possibly, nay probable, that they're trying some sort of push where he isn't pushed to the moon, yet isn't Colin Delany. Maybe they're going somewhere with the "Daniel Bryan was fake, Bryan Danielson is for real" type deal. I don't like either extreme since one is odd and helps no one, and the other is Russo style smark booking and high levels of paranoia at their finest, but I'd wager on a medium between the two. See (and please believe me- this comparison hurts me a lot more than it hurts you ) that booking is essentially " Tim Donst: Year One". And it could work if they put him in as "the technician" and got in the occasional counterhold* vs established good-wrestlers or pulling out "weird" submission holds in matches vs hosses whaling on him. You could even book him as 'scrappy underdog that comes up short- but man, look at the effort!' or something. But he's been depicted as a bland, winless guy who agreed that he should've been cut. And most of what we've seen him 'wash out' for are things like selling magazines or Double Dare Physical Challenges. There are interesting ways to bring someone like Danielson into a WWE setting... why do it this way? *I agree that AmDrag countering Chris Jericho's finisher on his first appearance was a good 'achievement'- unfortunately, it's been overshadowed by the One Man CoverBand's beating Jericho in a non-flukey way.
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Post by jamielowndes {N} on May 18, 2010 0:21:28 GMT -5
The funny thing is, we know NOTHING abo0ut whats gonna happen.
He got the Danielson promo on NXT and people thought that was a shoot. Well, theres a text interview on WWE.com where he says something similar, so theyve definitely got plans for him to be in the main roster, but I dont think its gonna be until NXT finihses. After NXT, look for an influx of the rookies that they want to break in to the WWE through run-ins etc.
Danielson vs Miz wont happen. I think theyre using JeriMiz to create a main eventer out of Miz.
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Post by Alex Shelley on May 18, 2010 0:28:47 GMT -5
Yeah, they'd totally be hyping him on Twitter and WWE.com if they had no plans for him. That makes total sense.
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Post by Barrock on May 18, 2010 0:29:58 GMT -5
Maybe he will be on Smackdown!?
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Post by Dragonfly on May 18, 2010 0:37:07 GMT -5
Yeah, they'd totally be hyping him on Twitter and WWE.com if they had no plans for him. That makes total sense. Exactly. The Twitter feed even had a link to the "Bryan Danielson YouTube search."They wouldn't give free promotion to the "competition" unless they had an idea. What that idea is, I don't know. But it's going to be something.
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Post by Larryhausen on May 18, 2010 1:05:05 GMT -5
Let's look at some of the facts...
This is a guy who is basically considered Shawn Michaels' best student. The guy who guys like Michaels and Regal have been telling the company to get for years. After that, the company spent years and years trying to get him. When they finally get him, they agree to let him completely bypass FCW, if memory serves. Then, the put him on NXT with a different name, and have him lose every damn match. He gets cut, and cuts a promo basically about how much of an ass-kicker he is. He also brings up the independent scene. Before that, WWE NEVER acknowedged that there was an indie scene.
They've got plans for him. And I'm really starting to think that the NXT thing is the beginning of a subtle little swerve for us. One that wouldn't really seem out of place to an average viewer.
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