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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jul 20, 2010 23:01:27 GMT -5
If it's Oliver Stone, this'll make a great movie, which would be done, JFK-style, with Meltzer in the Jim Garrison role, Savage in the Lee Harvey Oswald role, Stephanie in the JFK role, and Hulk Hogan in the Jack Ruby role. I hate it when it gets no-sold!
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Post by conebone69 on Jul 20, 2010 23:27:48 GMT -5
The Randy/Stephanie Rumor: Proof that wrestling fans ARE as dumb as they look. I mean, come on! Yeah, it is proof. I mean come on the Slim Jim things is what's keeping Vince from using Mach for something? Please! This is wrestlecrap, everybody is a mark here. Everyone knows Vince's history. Are you guys forgetting the things he's forgiven? It's preposterous to believe Vince would let that stand in his way of using Savage to make an extra dime, in fact that's far more unbelievable to me than the Savage/Steph rumor. Like I said originally, I don't know either way, but the people who don't believe it seem far more passionate about it. Still I haven't seen any more reason to not believe it than to believe it.
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Post by dh03grad on Jul 20, 2010 23:54:53 GMT -5
The issue doesn't seem to be whether or not it's true. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. It's whether Vince thinks it's true, and people in that company believe he believes it. I can see a situation where he heard the story, asked Stephanie and she denied it. She was telling the truth, but Vince was so paranoid and crazy he believed it anyway. On a related note: I remember one interview with a former writer with WWE, and they were casually talking about HOF names in a meeting. Not knowing the story, he suggested Savage. And there was total silence in the room for a while. There is something going on there, and Savage has done something to piss off Vince. Although, again, whether it's just Vince believes an untrue rumour I don't know. Hogan talked with Vince secretary live on the radio about potential HOF nominees and Savage was mentioned.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jul 21, 2010 4:10:07 GMT -5
Really now, we're talking about two stubborn old guys who always like to get their way and who are both financially secure enough that they've no need to concede to the other.
Is it really so hard to believe that, say, sometime after WCW folded, WWE approached Savage to make an appearance, Macho Man tried to throw his weight around by demanding a Hogan-like deal, and Vince said "Screw you, we're not giving you any publicity until you come back on MY terms"?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 21, 2010 4:59:49 GMT -5
Think about his, what, 2 day TNA run, comes in, asks for VAST sums of money and to be put over as the nu,ber 1 guy despite being in terrible shape, then storms out again.
The guy has a temper and a huge ego.
The silence at the writers meeting could just have been because other guys knew Vince had tried and knew it wasn't going to work.
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Post by dizzy on Jul 21, 2010 5:02:27 GMT -5
Savage had to have done something, I'm sure of it. You're SURE of it, huh? Just because he went on with his life and doesn't associate with wrestling anymore, there just MUST be more to it. Right. You're a classic example of why these ridiculous stories continually exist. There is no possible way to "prove" that something like this didn't happen. If it didn't happen, what the hell "proof" would there be? 10,000 videotapes of Savage and Stephanie NOT having sex? Someone please explain to me what would constitute proof that this DIDN'T happen. And don't say: "well, if VINCE says something!" Vince McMahon could come out right now and say it didn't happen, and all of you conspiracy theorists would say he was just covering it up to avoid bad publicity. The Randy/Stephanie Rumor: Proof that wrestling fans ARE as dumb as they look. Dumber, I'd say. It's one thing for this rumor to be told once. But for it to exist in perpetuity for 17 YEARS is beyond belief. For the record, Savage's own brother Lanny was asked about the rumour, and even he said he was too scared to ask his brother and assumed it was true. Lanny assumed it was true because he was scared of the rumor and/or his brother? He's just as sissy as his twinkletoed WWF characters then. "I heard a rumor. I'm too scared to check it out, so I'll just assume it's true!" The same Gorgeous George that many WCW wrestlers say was having sex with virtually every wrestler in the locker room? I remember hearing Kevin Nash say something like, "well, nobody wanted to tell Randy...." Brooke Bollea claimed what? That her father's then-best friend, Randy Savage, tried something on her? Bull$hit. Hulk Hogan has spoken WAY too positively about his friendship with Randy for this to be true. Add to that, the fact that Hogan can't stop talking about anything or everything. Furthemore, Brooke Bollea was born in 1988, which would make her only, what, 11 years old when Randy and Hogan last worked with one another in WCW? What a load of crap. The only thing Brooke "Hogan" can claim is that her father rubbed suntan lotion on her legs and thighs right out in public when she was an adult.
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 21, 2010 16:51:56 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to believe that something like this could happen? Really? WORSE things happen on a daily basis that are even more outlandish. Stephanie had a reputation for being friendly with the boys and Savage, if Gorgeous George is to be believed, didn't really see age as a roadblock. If Gorgeous George involved her own sister in this, there has to be at least some writing on the wall in regards to Savage.
As for the Slim Jim train of thought, WWE has Slim Jim back. Why would Vince still hold a MASSIVE grudge against Savage for taking a sponsor he got back when the Ultimate Warrior flat-out committed extortion? Hogan went heel on Vince during the steroid trial. Bret Hart toyed with his company and spit in his face. Eric Bischoff tried to destroy his company. Since all of those things happened, Vince has worked with Hogan, Hart, & Bischoff. He reached out to Warrior for the Hall of Fame this year. Yet, Savage is still blacklisted. The WWE wouldn't even send a freakin' statement to be read at Angelo Poffo's funeral. Taking all this into consideration, one HAS to think that there is a much deeper reason than a sponsor.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jul 21, 2010 17:12:41 GMT -5
I also get the impression that Vince would probably consider it if Macho Man would make any appearances or promote, but it doesn't seem like Savage has much interest in doing anything profile. I can't honestly be the first person to ever speculate that maybe it's Savage who is pissed at Vince? And with the whole Elizabeth factor, well ... I know we shouldn't speak ill of the deceased, but what if Savage was trying to patch things up with Liz, and Vince banged her and the whole thing fell apart? Vince has admitted to infidelities in the past; who are we to say that Liz wasn't one of them? Granted, Savage and Elizabeth worked together again later in WCW, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen the way I suggested, either. If anything, it would support my theory: Savage was pissed at Vince for screwing his lady, like so many guys I know these days who would "kick his ass" but still take back the woman, even though infidelity is a two-way street. Make sense? Or am I delusional?
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Post by cuneo77 on Jul 22, 2010 0:06:52 GMT -5
heres an angle, what if linda did macho to get back at vince?
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Post by machomark on Jul 22, 2010 2:11:08 GMT -5
Savage ISNT pissed at Vince.
He praises the man in all of the shoots I have heard, mostly from the 2003-2004 years.
However if I was Randy I might be mad at Vince now for not mentioning him pretty much ever, hes not even in the opening WWE video or on Legends of Mania game, or hall of fame.
But yeah a DVD...big deal, he deserves more.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 22, 2010 3:01:41 GMT -5
Here's the answer.
I don't know.
I can't know and neither can any of you. Do all the math you want about Steph's age at the time, it doesn't prove anything one way or the other.
The only answer is, I don't know what happened.
Just like none of you know I'm not actually Randy Savage himself. I have no proof I am, you have no proof I am not.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 22, 2010 12:03:31 GMT -5
If Savage ever returns he totally has a built in feud with HHH....
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Post by romafan87 on Jul 22, 2010 13:04:10 GMT -5
Let's say it didn't happen. Savage almost has to be aware of the rumor, right? There's that video from his pay site from 2003/04 where he implies he's into Steph and that he's going to steal her away from Triple H. That's about when this rumor really, REALLY picked up major steam.
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Post by machomark on Jul 22, 2010 13:51:37 GMT -5
I think everybody has heard of the rumor, Vince, Steph, HHH, Shane, Ross, Hogan...
it would be absolutely impossible for them to have not at least HEARD it once.
I have been listening to it every day for ten years.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Jul 22, 2010 15:18:17 GMT -5
The WWE already debunked this when they put out that dvd back in 2008. Why would they advertize him in such a way if there is some deep-seated problem between him and McMahon?
The problem is on Savage's end, he doesn't have contact with a lot of wrestlers, and the few remaining freinds he had left, well, he burnt his bridges with them and with it, his remaining contact to the wrestling world over Georgeous George years ago.
Plus a lot of these guys weren't in the WWf at the time, so who's to say.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Jul 22, 2010 15:45:44 GMT -5
Savage got possbily the nicest and classiest sendoff any wrestler who was leaving for a different org ever got. Vince cried on camera for crissakes! And he was losing the slim jim deal at perhaps the worst possible time, yet he stil did one of the most touching things he's ever done when raw went off the air that night. Sure they got Karate fighters, but it wasn't the same as the delicious shrinkwrapped meatsticks endorsed by a paranoid maniac. It's been how many years since Savage left? Why would Vince still hold a grudge? He didn't back then, why would he now.
Look at Warrior. The guys a certified nut. I mean he's pretty wacky. We make fun of him all the time. But I think Savage is a few notches up on the crazy ladder. And Look at all the money Warrior has cost Vince in legal fees, in leaving when he was advertized for a ppv or house show. Yet after all the legal wrangling, Vince approached Warrior about the HOF spot. So its not the SLim Jim thing that's the deal breaker. And I dont think Steph is as sacred to Vince either. He's put her in some pretty outlandish and embarrasing storylines over the years.
Did I mention Savage is bats*** insane and paranoid as f***? Yeah, well, he thought a lot of guys were out to get with George which happened to be true, but the point is Savage has some kind of grudge over some thing he made up in his mind about Vince or the wrestlers and he's using that as an excuse for not returning to the WWE for the HOF. Either that or he legitimatley wants to lead a private life away from the spotlight with his new wife. So, the dealbreaker is Savage, and alot of the stuff that goes around the net is just bunk.
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Post by Snake "The Jake" Roberts on Jul 22, 2010 16:02:37 GMT -5
And one more thing. She would have been legal when this incident occured supposedly. So, Vince has no problem with wrestlers like HHH boning his daughter, but when Savage does it it's a problem? Is it the age thing, brother? I call double standard!
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Post by dizzy on Jul 22, 2010 16:42:35 GMT -5
And one more thing. She would have been legal when this incident occured supposedly. So, Vince has no problem with wrestlers like HHH boning his daughter, but when Savage does it it's a problem? Is it the age thing, brother? I call double standard! Yeah, that's something I've always thought too. When Savage left the WWF in 1993, Stephanie was 18. So even if he did boink her, I say SO WHAT BROTHER! LEGAL IS LEGAL!
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jul 22, 2010 16:47:45 GMT -5
I think it has more to do with Savage being legitimately crazy. So crazy that he is still in "WWF vs WCW" mode. I remember everybody talking crap about the WWF and Vince while in WCW but they all came back in the end. I think Savage's mental state prevents him from admitting that "They were using me as an announcer instead of a wrestler" is not a legit reason to hold such a grudge.
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