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Post by flatsdomino on Jun 13, 2010 1:01:56 GMT -5
NOW is the time for Vince to be stubborn and stick to his own ideas, to fight for his vision and insist that he's right...and the funny thing is, it seems that for whatever reason, this time, he won't. That's what Paul Heyman probably thought in 1999. Look where it got him. Heyman was one of the biggest examples of passion and humanity in this business. He cared, sometimes too much. But he was a genius, if a mad one. And he was a booker for the FANS. And everything that's happened to him is a testament to the crap road wrestling is headed down.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 13, 2010 1:04:46 GMT -5
That's what Paul Heyman probably thought in 1999. Look where it got him. Heyman was one of the biggest examples of passion and humanity in this business. He cared, sometimes too much. But he was a genius, if a mad one. And he was a booker for the FANS. And everything that's happened to him is a testament to the crap road wrestling is headed down. All that has nothing to do with the fact that he chose to say "F*** you" to the people paying his bills, and now he has no promotion to show for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 1:06:25 GMT -5
For the people claiming that this is a work: What exactly would the payoff to this elaborate ruse be? I'm seriously curious because I can't think of anything that makes sense.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 13, 2010 1:07:44 GMT -5
For the people claiming that this is a work: What exactly would the payoff to this elaborate ruse be? I'm seriously curious because I can't think of anything that makes sense. Neither can I. Ideally, the build should have been a short Bryan/Cena verbal feud, blown off by an epic grudge match. That can't happen now.
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Post by Sana's got that SUPA LUV on Jun 13, 2010 1:08:23 GMT -5
Finally, something awesome comes out of this whole situation.
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Post by immortalphenom on Jun 13, 2010 1:08:38 GMT -5
For the people claiming that this is a work: What exactly would the payoff to this elaborate ruse be? I'm seriously curious because I can't think of anything that makes sense. The pay-off is Danielson coming back at Summerslam, beating Cena clean to win the WWE Championship, and then going on to break the Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak and become the new face of WWE after Cena retires. Duh.
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Post by variable on Jun 13, 2010 1:10:56 GMT -5
this is such a shaaaaaaaaame
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 1:11:05 GMT -5
For the people claiming that this is a work: What exactly would the payoff to this elaborate ruse be? I'm seriously curious because I can't think of anything that makes sense. The pay-off is Danielson coming back at Summerslam, beating Cena clean to win the WWE Championship, and then going on to break the Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak and become the new face of WWE after Cena retires. Duh. It all makes sense now.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 13, 2010 1:11:45 GMT -5
For the people claiming that this is a work: What exactly would the payoff to this elaborate ruse be? I'm seriously curious because I can't think of anything that makes sense. The payoff would be for him to wait out his 90 days, sign with TNA, win there world championship, be pushed as there biggest star ever, elevate them to the point where they are just as big, if not bigger, then WWE domestically and worldwide, then have the WWE air that old squash match from Heat with Cena beating Danielson clean. Just to put them in there place.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 13, 2010 1:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by -Lithium- on Jun 13, 2010 1:13:44 GMT -5
Although I still don't agree with the "we can't show this because someone might do it" stuff, I can atleast see why they would treat the tie thing differently then some of the other things they do. It's not over the top like throwing the steps at someone, or hitting someone over the head with a sledgehammer. What happened was way more grounded and realistic seeming, and actually kind of disturbing. I mean, we're sure Justin Roberts was fine there, right? I can't imagine anyone in the WWE, especially Danielson doing that, but...damn. Like I said, I don't agree with it, but I can understand the WWE having a different standard there.
I have to say though, its weird how concerned the WWE is that kids would "try it at home". Its one thing for a kid to injure another kid with something like a sleeper, because with kids, the pain they seem to be concerned with is the sharp, obvious kind. They may not understand that sleeper can be horrible, but I think any kid who was watching would realize immediately that it's (that tie choking) bad, and they should never attempt that. The pain is very well represented, unlike in some of the other things kids have gotten hurt or even died doing, like Swanton Bombs or Stunners.
Oh, and the last thing I can say, is that I hope when Linda doesn't win a Senate seat, the WWE drops this whole "wholesome" charade. In order for that to happen though, Vince might have to swallow his pride and I don't know if that will happen anytime soon...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 13, 2010 1:24:06 GMT -5
Finally, something awesome comes out of this whole situation. Greatness.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 13, 2010 1:28:24 GMT -5
My thoughts are that whoever made this doesn't know the difference between "its" and "it's."
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 13, 2010 1:32:12 GMT -5
My thoughts are that whoever made this doesn't know the difference between "its" and "it's." Once again, if you're on the internet in the year 2010, then there is no difference.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jun 13, 2010 1:37:55 GMT -5
this is my only response to this whole thing...... ;D
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 13, 2010 1:38:05 GMT -5
I don't know what to think. Most of me thinks that it is simply bad luck on the part of Bryan, in that, by doing his job, he has (allegedly) become the fall guy for a major sponsor deciding to throw their weight around.
But there's still a part of me, a hopeful part, that still thinks that this is the mother, father and grandparents of all works, because that's how they've been using Bryan since he started on NXT.
Like I said, I don't know what to think. But I do know that most questions should be answered on Monday night.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 13, 2010 1:43:18 GMT -5
My thoughts are that whoever made this doesn't know the difference between "its" and "it's." Once again, if you're on the internet in the year 2010 and didn't do very well in school, then there is no difference. Adjusted. Serious answer to the "what's the payoff is this is a work" question: The revival of kayfabe because on them being able to work the IWC into a frenzy of speculation and emotion. This could lead to a new dynamic where the WWE "product" is a mix of what's shown on TV and what WWE is purposefully feeding to or withholding from the Internet and the social-media services to keep people guessing. The smark fans would be a valued part of the (ahem) WWE Universe and would renew their allegiance to WWE because they enjoy the thrill of being "worked" again like when they were younger. Do I think that's actually where they're going with this? No.
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Post by draus on Jun 13, 2010 1:44:22 GMT -5
I guess I'll still play along with the "it's a work" crowd.
Keep on mentioning Daniel Bryan as leaving, not Danielson, which was very similar to his farewell promo on NXT.
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Post by wcw on Jun 13, 2010 1:45:50 GMT -5
That's what Paul Heyman probably thought in 1999. Look where it got him. Heyman was one of the biggest examples of passion and humanity in this business. He cared, sometimes too much. But he was a genius, if a mad one. And he was a booker for the FANS. And everything that's happened to him is a testament to the crap road wrestling is headed down. Paul Heyman was a man of principle he never wanted his original ECW to sell out its roots. He booked and ran the company for the fans. The one thing you can say about Heyman is that he cared what his diehard fans thought of the company. Heyman never wanted to turn his back on the fans that built his company from the early days. Yet the fact that he wasn't willing to play ball a little bit (And hand off the running of his business to people that had a sense for it) is what was his downfall. In his Cable deal with TNN he brought ECW and was unwilling to comprise the product in anyway and it was one of the reasons his product fell. But the man to this day can remain proud that he never compromised his product (While he owned it at least) and that he stuck by his principles. In business its sad because the very driven creative nature that you have in you product tends to get more and more compromised the more successful you want to be.
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