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Post by tarheelfan on Jul 31, 2010 23:11:27 GMT -5
The difference is that Austin, Sting and Hogan were normal to above normal size wrestlers. Mysterio is barely even a cruiser weight. Yes, there is nothing wrong with the occasional upset Mysterio might attain against the likes of Swagger, etc. But it is an insult to peoples intelligence to portray a 175 pound man being CONSISTENTLY AND EQUALLY able to compete with 275 pounders even if wrestling is staged let alone having the same 175 pounder beat the 275 pound guys week after week. Rey can easily beat guys bigger than him, because he has the 619. The 619 can beat anyone; I know, because I've seen it. Rey Mysterio is good enough to beat anyone of any size within the world of the WWE as it's been presented to us. Period. I don't know what's so bizarre about that. The rules of pro wrestling are solely the ones we see on TV. Sure, I'm not saying it's not tiresome for them to keep saying he's an underdog when he's clearly not. But, I actually prefer them going back to the well of his size to explain his underdogness rather than continually finding enormous people for Hogan to fight, or new ways for Vince's powermongering to screw Austin. The 619 looks like a weak move. (especially on guys as big and tall as Kane for example or even Swagger) I think Hogans legdrop as much ridiculed as it was would be more painful by far then the 619.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 31, 2010 23:20:08 GMT -5
I always hear he is a big part of SmackDown drawing big numbers from Latinos and also that he is very popular with kids who buy a lot of Rey merch. I am a bit tired of Rey too, but I understand why he's used the way he is. I understand he has slowed down a bit from his WCW days but people really need to aim their anger at creative instead of him because he doesn't control how he is booked. Why attack a wrestler personally just because of the way he is booked? The guy has worked his ass off since he was 14 and will probably have to retire before he is 40 because of how good of matches he has had over the years. This is the IWC, John Cena could put an entertaining match, save a bus full with nuns that was about to be bombed by terrorists and find the solution to the kids with hunger in Africa and the IWC will still find him a despicable person because he didn't sell the offensive of jericho and defeated CM punk in a squash match The idea that the guy is just doing what they told him to do is just inconceivable
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 31, 2010 23:24:23 GMT -5
The man's knees must be held together by duct tape, super glue and tiling grout at this point.
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Post by Error on Jul 31, 2010 23:34:35 GMT -5
My response to a few common arguments against the dislike of one Rey Mysterio:
So are Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Terry Funk and Steve Austin but, I don't want to see them wrestling anymore either.
Rey's the one on TV, not creative. It's easier and more direct to boo Rey. Beside, you don't cheer for creative because a guys a good heel or face.
Yeah they won a lot but, they were also made to look weak a lot too. Hulk would get beat down on SNME and make his stand on PPV. Austin constantly had the odds stacked against him and won more matches by DQ because of outside interference than by beating someone and when he did beat someone it was at the end of the feud. Sting...need we forget why he is called the most gullible man in wrestling?
Rey is never shown to be weak.
True but, that is no reason they cannot use the booking that made them wealthy instead of booking that makes them comfortable. Again, kids loved Hulk and he always seemed to get put at a huge disadvantage and left laying.
Not until you accept that some people are sick of him and don't like him.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 31, 2010 23:58:55 GMT -5
Put Mysterio in the midcard and watch him be more over than the maineventers, he is the biggest star on that show that's why he's in that spot.
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Post by BarrelO on Aug 1, 2010 0:01:06 GMT -5
If masks are such foolproof merchandising bonanzas, why did the WWE make Dos Caras Jr. take his off?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2010 0:03:48 GMT -5
I don't hate the man, but if he were to take a lengthy hiatus it wouldn't bother me a bit. He's beyond stale.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 1, 2010 0:28:29 GMT -5
If masks are such foolproof merchandising bonanzas, why did the WWE make Dos Caras Jr. take his off? Because nobody gave a crap about masked Dos Caras Jr.?
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Post by saintpat on Aug 1, 2010 0:37:26 GMT -5
I could not care less about Rey Mysterio either way, but I don't get why he gets dumped on (for the reasons he does on this forum) and Undertaker doesn't.
Just like Rey, EgoTaker is a shell of his former self.
Just like Rey, he's stuck in a tired old gimmick and has done nothing to make himself relevant for years.
More than Rey, he's slow as molasses (and I timed his ring entrance at one recent match at more than 10 minutes while fast forwarding through it).
And, much like Rey, he's booked in such a way that he rarely ever loses -- and when he does, it's only to set up a steal-your-soul or send-you-to-hell finish to the feud where the other guy gets completely buried (sometimes literally).
Seriously, can someone explain the difference?
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Aug 1, 2010 0:41:19 GMT -5
After watching Smackdown, I came to the conclusion that Rey is a devil fruit user. he, all the sudden, got a lot stronger than before and beat bigger opponents with ease, then Kane throws him in the water and he is not to be seen again.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 1, 2010 0:42:26 GMT -5
Put Mysterio in the midcard and watch him be more over than the maineventers, he is the biggest star on that show that's why he's in that spot. Oh really?
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Aug 1, 2010 0:44:57 GMT -5
Put Mysterio in the midcard and watch him be more over than the maineventers, he is the biggest star on that show that's why he's in that spot. Oh really? Well he's a vegetable you know. Rey took his spot.
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Post by BarrelO on Aug 1, 2010 0:48:31 GMT -5
I could not care less about Rey Mysterio either way, but I don't get why he gets dumped on (for the reasons he does on this forum) and Undertaker doesn't. Just like Rey, EgoTaker is a shell of his former self. Just like Rey, he's stuck in a tired old gimmick and has done nothing to make himself relevant for years. More than Rey, he's slow as molasses (and I timed his ring entrance at one recent match at more than 10 minutes while fast forwarding through it). And, much like Rey, he's booked in such a way that he rarely ever loses -- and when he does, it's only to set up a steal-your-soul or send-you-to-hell finish to the feud where the other guy gets completely buried (sometimes literally). Seriously, can someone explain the difference? Undertaker is tall.
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Post by saintpat on Aug 1, 2010 0:52:33 GMT -5
I could not care less about Rey Mysterio either way, but I don't get why he gets dumped on (for the reasons he does on this forum) and Undertaker doesn't. Just like Rey, EgoTaker is a shell of his former self. Just like Rey, he's stuck in a tired old gimmick and has done nothing to make himself relevant for years. More than Rey, he's slow as molasses (and I timed his ring entrance at one recent match at more than 10 minutes while fast forwarding through it). And, much like Rey, he's booked in such a way that he rarely ever loses -- and when he does, it's only to set up a steal-your-soul or send-you-to-hell finish to the feud where the other guy gets completely buried (sometimes literally). Seriously, can someone explain the difference? Undertaker is tall. Well, there's that.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Aug 1, 2010 0:53:13 GMT -5
It's easier sure, but actually it's LESS direct, since you're aiming your complaints at the guy being booked and not the bookers. It's like saying, "Oh sure, that restaurant served me undercooked chicken and I got sick, but I'm going to just get mad at the ceramic plate that they served it to me on, since that's easier."
...but that's BAD booking, not some sort of shades of grey quality writing. Sting was gullible because the only way they could think to make him sympathetic was to have people keep betraying him. Do you actually think they made him gullible as some kind of character deepening thing? With Austin, Vince's plans had to keep getting more and more convoluted, because the entire point of the story was that Austin could beat him in a fair fight. That's why all heels have to cheat, and DO cheat: Faces are just better. Including Rey.
Remember how SHOCKED we all were that first Nexus attack that Cena didn't get up and fight them all off? It was an enormous deal that a WWE top face actually lost a fight, and the angle is STILL coasting on that first attack. Looking weak is not in the vocabulary of a top face for 90% of the booking, because it needs to matter when they do lose.
I...honestly don't recall '80s Hulk being left laying very often. He'd take countout losses and stuff like that, but that's all I remember.
Besides, to put him at a disadvantage, they had to keep finding enormous fat guys, so it's exactly the same thing people are complaining about now. Hogan : Bundy :: Rey : Swagger
Not until you accept that some people are sick of him and don't like him.[/quote]
I just find it kind of mysterious that people get SO MAD about it. Again, the question isn't why people get annoyed about the booking, the question is that when Rey does something that every other top face does, people get all up in arms about it.
I mean, I think it MUST be his size. I wish people would just say, "I don't like that Rey wins because he's small and I want to keep alive my fantasy that pro wrestlers are actually big tough guys who can fight and go grr and beat up the bad guys and win and yaaayy even though really they're just actors in spandex!" rather than come up with all these loop-the-loops to justify their anger.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 1, 2010 1:01:44 GMT -5
Taker=popular for 90s kids Rey=popular for 2000s kids (trust me, he wasn't that popular in the 90s, at least in comparison to now) Look at the board's demographics Do the math
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 1, 2010 1:05:24 GMT -5
I mean, I think it MUST be his size. I wish people would just say, "I don't like that Rey wins because he's small and I want to keep alive my fantasy that pro wrestlers are actually big tough guys who can fight and go grr and beat up the bad guys and win and yaaayy even though really they're just actors in spandex!" rather than come up with all these loop-the-loops to justify their anger. At the end of the day though, people shouldn't have to justify their dislike of a character, whether we're talking wrestling, TV, books, movies, or whatever. If a character annoys you, then you just simply don't like them. No one owes anyone a reason as to why they don't like Rey.
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Post by vinnie245 on Aug 1, 2010 1:13:18 GMT -5
Apart from the simple fact that hes a CRUISERWEIGHT in a HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION! That's what made me so mad about him winning the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP, HES A CRUISERWEIGHT FFS YOU JUST KILLED THE CREDIBILITY OF YOUR TITLE! And no i didn't like it when David Arquette or Vince Russo won the WCW title either, it's just stupid and bad for business He can go back to the midcard and still be as over as he is now, it just stupifies me. And for people complaining about the same old s*** with these threads, nobodys forcing you to read these threads you know ¬_¬
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 1, 2010 1:21:54 GMT -5
WWE hasn't had "cruiserweights" in years.
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Post by vinnie245 on Aug 1, 2010 1:27:44 GMT -5
Apart from the fact that they still had the cruiserweight division when Rey first won the Heavyweight championship. Nice Try
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