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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 1, 2010 1:30:45 GMT -5
How many people from the cruiserweight div are still there, other than Rey? They were getting fired even during his first reign.
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Post by sourdoughjack on Aug 1, 2010 1:45:20 GMT -5
I mean, I think it MUST be his size. I wish people would just say, "I don't like that Rey wins because he's small and I want to keep alive my fantasy that pro wrestlers are actually big tough guys who can fight and go grr and beat up the bad guys and win and yaaayy even though really they're just actors in spandex!" rather than come up with all these loop-the-loops to justify their anger. At the end of the day though, people shouldn't have to justify their dislike of a character, whether we're talking wrestling, TV, books, movies, or whatever. If a character annoys you, then you just simply don't like them. No one owes anyone a reason as to why they don't like Rey. Absolutely. Also, I loved Rey in WCW. Now I hate him because I think he's bland. I guess what it all boils down to is that I'd rather watch guys that I like, hence my discontent.
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Post by Raja Lion on Aug 1, 2010 2:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by maximilian on Aug 1, 2010 7:38:02 GMT -5
I could not care less about Rey Mysterio either way, but I don't get why he gets dumped on (for the reasons he does on this forum) and Undertaker doesn't. Just like Rey, EgoTaker is a shell of his former self. Just like Rey, he's stuck in a tired old gimmick and has done nothing to make himself relevant for years. More than Rey, he's slow as molasses (and I timed his ring entrance at one recent match at more than 10 minutes while fast forwarding through it). And, much like Rey, he's booked in such a way that he rarely ever loses -- and when he does, it's only to set up a steal-your-soul or send-you-to-hell finish to the feud where the other guy gets completely buried (sometimes literally). Seriously, can someone explain the difference? Undertaker is tall. Not to mention white.
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Post by jimsullivan on Aug 1, 2010 8:06:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 8:27:12 GMT -5
Even though I despise Rey, I think that the mods should put a stop to all of these threads. (And yes, I know I made one to so that makes me a hypocrite.)
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Post by greeby on Aug 1, 2010 8:35:22 GMT -5
Ah yes, the merch argument. Nevermind the fact none of his stuff is on the top 20 bestselling list.
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Post by MGH on Aug 1, 2010 8:35:35 GMT -5
Even though I despise Rey, I think that the mods should put a stop to all of these threads. (And yes, I know I made one to so that makes me a hypocrite.) On the first five pages of the WWE Current forum right now, there are three threads dedicated to dislike of Rey Mysterio. I'm not exactly calling that an epidemic. We're here to make sure things here don't get out of control, but we're not here to hold grown people's hands and guide them around things that get on their nerves. If the subject matter of a thread is going to get someone's nerves and they're sick of seeing it, no one is holding a gun to anyone else's head here. Just don't click on it. I'd like to put emphasis on that last point for comments such as these: How many more f***ing threads are we going to see of this s***? such whiners over nothing. the overreaction to him makes me laugh and visit this board less now. These are doing nothing to solve your non-existent problems. Don't click on the threads. It's simple, it's inarguable. Any annoyance or unnecessary nastiness this is allegedly bringing to you is your own fault if you see "Rey Mysterio Sucks!" and think "I'm sick of reading this!!!!!" .... *clicks on it anyway* If a flame war or something breaks out on this board we're here to handle it. But we shouldn't have to baby sit people with no self control.
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Post by HungryJack215 on Aug 1, 2010 9:47:53 GMT -5
Before he can leave he still has to beat Big Show clean 1-2-3 like he has with Kane and Mark Henry. In fact for the rest of his career if Rey Rey's not wrestling somebody at least 300 lbs every night I have no desire to watch. I just love to see that scud missile knock these big boys down with his 360 DDT's, 619's and what not ;D
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Post by Talent Name on Aug 1, 2010 10:25:44 GMT -5
I liked that he water bound but in ECW, WCW, and Early WWE he worked his butt off even in situations that were stupid like the whole Dominic angle he worked through like countless points have said blame booking not the wrestler if you wanna watch great Mysterio or Misterio like some spellings out there watch his ECW stuff just amazing
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2010 11:25:05 GMT -5
At the end of the day though, people shouldn't have to justify their dislike of a character, whether we're talking wrestling, TV, books, movies, or whatever. If a character annoys you, then you just simply don't like them. No one owes anyone a reason as to why they don't like Rey. Absolutely. Also, I loved Rey in WCW. Now I hate him because I think he's bland. I guess what it all boils down to is that I'd rather watch guys that I like, hence my discontent. I concur. That's why any of the arguments or justifications fer or agin him I don't really care about. Take for example the whole 'kids love him, he sells a ton of merchandise' thing; that's perfectly valid and I get why he's a focal point of the show, that doesn't mean it makes me enjoy seeing the dude anymore.
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Post by mystikz on Aug 1, 2010 12:09:30 GMT -5
one difference with Rey and Cena being stale is Cena can change his gimmick and turn if needed..... while Rey? could he turn or change his gimmick? magic 8 ball says doesn't look good.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 1, 2010 13:02:01 GMT -5
Another difference is that Cena actually looks like he could beat people.
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Post by vinnie245 on Aug 1, 2010 13:31:05 GMT -5
How many people from the cruiserweight div are still there, other than Rey? They were getting fired even during his first reign. At the end of the day. there was still a cruiserweight divsion when he won the title and hes been a cruiserweight HIS WHOLE CAREER. To say that hes HEAVYWEIGHT champion because theres no cruiserweight division is a poor excuse tbh, he can always go after tag gold or the Intercontinental/US title if he wants too
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Post by randomranter on Aug 1, 2010 14:44:17 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
YOU ARE NOT THE WWE'S TARGET AUDIENCE ANY MORE. IF YOU'RE ABOVE THE AGE OF 12, VINCE DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK.
Rey is one of the biggest merchandise movers, probably only behind Cena and the Undertaker. My experience seeing thousands of kids in numerous cities every week indicates to me that this is true, at least in southern New England.
Rey is one of the most over stars among the two biggest demographics that Vince is currently targeting: Kids and Latinos.
Rey will put more asses in seats and in front of televisions this weekend than some of this board's little golden boys will in their entire careers.
As long as the above two statements hold true, Rey will continue to be booked as superman. You may or may not like it, but if you're above the age of 12, your opinion doesn't matter to Vince anyway. Don't like it? Go watch UFC.
And yes, Rey's size has something to do with it. Kids look at Rey and fantasize that they're the ones under that mask, in that ring, taking down opponents twice their size and winning championships. Some of you seem to have absolutely NO idea how strong a force that is when it comes to selling PPVs, merchandise, etc.
Vince is booking Rey in a way that he believes will net him the most ratings, PPV buys, and merchandise sales. And quite frankly, if I had to choose between making a fake sport look "realistic" to a bunch of smarks who spend little to nothing on my product and making shitloads of money from kids by overpushing a guy half the size of the roster, then i'll take the latter. Every time.
If it meant moving more merchandise, I'd book Rey to win a steel cage match with Andre the Giant, the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Undertaker, Kane, Big John Studd, Giant Gonzalez, and a partridge in a pear tree. And he'd pin every one of them while eating the partridge.
This is a business decision, guys. Vince is booking Rey in a way that he feels will be best for business. You may not agree with him, but your opinion stopped mattering to Vince when the Attitude era ended.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 1, 2010 14:48:52 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: YOU ARE NOT THE WWE'S TARGET AUDIENCE ANY MORE. IF YOU'RE ABOVE THE AGE OF 12, VINCE DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK.Rey is one of the biggest merchandise movers, probably only behind Cena and the Undertaker. My experience seeing thousands of kids in numerous cities every week indicates to me that this is true, at least in southern New England. Rey is one of the most over stars among the two biggest demographics that Vince is currently targeting: Kids and Latinos. Rey will put more asses in seats and in front of televisions this weekend than some of this board's little golden boys will in their entire careers. As long as the above two statements hold true, Rey will continue to be booked as superman. You may or may not like it, but if you're above the age of 12, your opinion doesn't matter to Vince anyway. Don't like it? Go watch UFC. And yes, Rey's size has something to do with it. Kids look at Rey and fantasize that they're the ones under that mask, in that ring, taking down opponents twice their size and winning championships. Some of you seem to have absolutely NO idea how strong a force that is when it comes to selling PPVs, merchandise, etc. Vince is booking Rey in a way that he believes will net him the most ratings, PPV buys, and merchandise sales. And quite frankly, if I had to choose between making a fake sport look "realistic" to a bunch of smarks who spend little to nothing on my product and making s***loads of money from kids by overpushing a guy half the size of the roster, then i'll take the latter. Every time. If it meant moving more merchandise, I'd book Rey to win a steel cage match with Andre the Giant, the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Undertaker, Kane, Big John Studd, Giant Gonzalez, and a partridge in a pear tree. And he'd pin every one of them while eating the partridge. This is a business decision, guys. Vince is booking Rey in a way that he feels will be best for business. You may not agree with him, but your opinion stopped mattering to Vince when the Attitude era ended. That's wonderful. Doesn't mean we have to like how he's booked. This IS a discussion board, you know.
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Post by MGH on Aug 1, 2010 15:13:50 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: YOU ARE NOT THE WWE'S TARGET AUDIENCE ANY MORE. IF YOU'RE ABOVE THE AGE OF 12, VINCE DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK.Rey is one of the biggest merchandise movers, probably only behind Cena and the Undertaker. My experience seeing thousands of kids in numerous cities every week indicates to me that this is true, at least in southern New England. Rey is one of the most over stars among the two biggest demographics that Vince is currently targeting: Kids and Latinos. Rey will put more asses in seats and in front of televisions this weekend than some of this board's little golden boys will in their entire careers. As long as the above two statements hold true, Rey will continue to be booked as superman. You may or may not like it, but if you're above the age of 12, your opinion doesn't matter to Vince anyway. Don't like it? Go watch UFC. And yes, Rey's size has something to do with it. Kids look at Rey and fantasize that they're the ones under that mask, in that ring, taking down opponents twice their size and winning championships. Some of you seem to have absolutely NO idea how strong a force that is when it comes to selling PPVs, merchandise, etc. Vince is booking Rey in a way that he believes will net him the most ratings, PPV buys, and merchandise sales. And quite frankly, if I had to choose between making a fake sport look "realistic" to a bunch of smarks who spend little to nothing on my product and making s***loads of money from kids by overpushing a guy half the size of the roster, then i'll take the latter. Every time. If it meant moving more merchandise, I'd book Rey to win a steel cage match with Andre the Giant, the Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Undertaker, Kane, Big John Studd, Giant Gonzalez, and a partridge in a pear tree. And he'd pin every one of them while eating the partridge. This is a business decision, guys. Vince is booking Rey in a way that he feels will be best for business. You may not agree with him, but your opinion stopped mattering to Vince when the Attitude era ended. I don't think most, if any, people have trouble understanding this. Still have the right to voice annoyance and displeasure with it. Equally have the right to enjoy it as well. Just because it's right for the business doesn't mean it's right for anyone's personal entertainment.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 1, 2010 15:21:26 GMT -5
The bigger problem I have with Rey threads is that they always end in pointless hostility like this. Seriously, Rey discussion now inspires more flames than Benoit discussion. Rey is WWE Forum's equivalent of "TNA is gonna expand and rival WWE" "NO ITS NOT" from the TNA board. People are so entrenched that the "discussion" is pointless and leads to flaming. Its not like people are open minded and tolerant on this issue as they are on "Should Wade Barrett be champ?" "How could Eli Cottonwood get over?" "Was WWE's ECW a good idea" or myriad other discussion topics.
I seriously think the Rey flames are gonna increase to a point where the mods will have to ban Rey discussion if it keeps going at the current level. Unlike Hornswoggle (the last thing WWE did that hit the board's anger nerve) Rey is VERY unlike to be depushed.
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 1, 2010 15:22:52 GMT -5
The bigger problem I have with Rey threads is that they always end in pointless hostility like this. Seriously, Rey discussion now inspires more flames than Benoit discussion. Rey is WWE Forum's equivalent of "TNA is gonna expand and rival WWE" "NO ITS NOT" from the TNA board. People are so entrenched that the "discussion" is pointless and leads to flaming. Its not like people are open minded and tolerant on this issue as they are on "Should Wade Barrett be champ?" "How could Eli Cottonwood get over?" "Was WWE's ECW a good idea" or myriad other discussion topics. I seriously think the Rey flames are gonna increase to a point where the mods will have to ban Rey discussion if it keeps going at the current level. Unlike Hornswoggle (the last thing WWE did that hit the board's anger nerve) Rey is VERY unlike to be depushed. I have to agree with you here. The flames and flaming is really becoming ridiculous.
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 1, 2010 15:23:22 GMT -5
How many people from the cruiserweight div are still there, other than Rey? They were getting fired even during his first reign. At the end of the day. there was still a cruiserweight divsion when he won the title and hes been a cruiserweight HIS WHOLE CAREER. To say that hes HEAVYWEIGHT champion because theres no cruiserweight division is a poor excuse tbh, he can always go after tag gold or the Intercontinental/US title if he wants too Jeff Hardy is under 220 and he became a WH champ. It is not like WWE enforces the "Heavyweight" rule. It has never been a rule. It has just been a name the championship. So stop treating it like it is an actual heavyweight division for heavyweights only. Because if WWE doesn't, and they are the actual company with say for their titles, then you shouldn't either. Jeez.
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