Doctor Of Style
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Aug 1, 2010 23:23:21 GMT -5
Guys like HBK, C.M. Punk, Jericho are smaller, but they're not ridiculously tiny like Mysterio. ? I don't get this. So, it's not the RELATIVE size difference between Mysterio and his opponents (remember, Show's bigger than Swagger about as much as Swagger is bigger than Rey), it's just that Rey is small and... people don't like small? If that's the case, then you can't make the plausibility argument (which is good, since it's ludicrous to combine plausibility and pro wrestling), or else it's very quickly going to lead you to saying The Big Show should win every match and be champion all the time. So if it's not plausibility, what is it? Why do people get so infuriated GRAAGH A VERY SMALL MAN WINS A LOT OF FAKE FIGHTS. I'm bored and a little annoyed, not infuriated. Since you ignored most of my last post, I'll bring up those points again. What does he offer at this point? He can't cut a promo to save his life. If he actually had a speed advantage over bigger guys he'd look better, but he doesn't with those knees. And I would say plausibility is relative in pro wrestling. Lesnar superplexing Big Show and collapsing the ring was plausible, RoboCop running out to save Sting, not so much.
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Post by MasonK565 on Aug 1, 2010 23:34:35 GMT -5
The only reason I'm not sick of the Undertaker is because he's never around long enough for me to tire of him. He gives people time to miss him. Yeah, I have to agree. I like the Undertaker, but idk if I could handle a whole 2 or more years with him winning, and hardly losing a feud.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 0:08:12 GMT -5
If he's leaving, I vote he be put in a time capsule next to the rest of cruiserweight wrestling. Rey doesn't fit well in the E, he never did. They are so big on him he always works the big names who are all big guys that can't really sell being thrown by the legs of a little man and things of that nature. Even if they do a good job it can look for crap.
How many trees can a man unconvincingly chop down before enough is enough? That's on them though. They killed regular sized wrestling. They made Rey a star. There's plenty of guys that could probably have stellar matches with Mysterio, but he'll never work them.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 2, 2010 0:19:09 GMT -5
The only reason I'm not sick of the Undertaker is because he's never around long enough for me to tire of him. He gives people time to miss him. So does Rey, who ends up on the shelf a good deal these days. not nearly as much as Taker, but getting there. Both shouldn't try to wrestle more than two years further--the strain is becoming apparent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 0:40:17 GMT -5
The only reason I'm not sick of the Undertaker is because he's never around long enough for me to tire of him. He gives people time to miss him. So does Rey, who ends up on the shelf a good deal these days. not nearly as much as Taker, but getting there. Both shouldn't try to wrestle more than two years further--the strain is becoming apparent. And for that matter either guy's going to be lucky to be walking in five years at this rate. Edge too, he's getting up there on that front. Might be why they seem hesitant to actually have him do anything lately.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 2, 2010 0:54:55 GMT -5
And for that matter either guy's going to be lucky to be walking in five years at this rate. Edge too, he's getting up there on that front. Might be why they seem hesitant to actually have him do anything lately. You're right. Edge has been injured an awful lot and he's not as young as he used to be. They really need a contingency plan, since I don't see any of them lasting to 2015 at the current WWE touring rate. They'll probably try to keep Rey around as long as they possibly can above all for fear of losing the Hispanic market, and they'll reduce Taker's "limited role" even further, but they're all in the twilight of their careers. Which, getting back to the topic of this thread, makes me wonder what a post-Rey, post-Taker Smackdown would look like. Who would be the new "top superstar"? Would they move in Orton from RAW and have him be the "Batista" to Cena?
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Post by BarrelO on Aug 2, 2010 2:01:47 GMT -5
Rey's first World Title run was pathetic. He was booked to lose every week and people complained. Now he's winning every week and people complain. The answer: book him in the middle. It's not that hard to figure out, and I don't understand why he's being booked like he is now. This is a terrible idea. Even-steven booking gets nobody over. If everyone is special, no one is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 2:08:17 GMT -5
Rey's first World Title run was pathetic. He was booked to lose every week and people complained. Now he's winning every week and people complain. The answer: book him in the middle. It's not that hard to figure out, and I don't understand why he's being booked like he is now. This is a terrible idea. Even-steven booking gets nobody over. If everyone is special, no one is. That's not what he's saying; just that Rey Mysterio can be strong without being a Terminator.
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Post by BarrelO on Aug 2, 2010 2:18:32 GMT -5
Guys like HBK, C.M. Punk, Jericho are smaller, but they're not ridiculously tiny like Mysterio. Plus, those guys can actually cut a decent promo. The Harlem Globetrotters don't really play competitive basketball, but they don't have Emmannuel Lewis out there playing center either, they make it look plausible. Manny Pacquiao could technically go after the Heavyweight Boxing title, but it's never gonna happen. Rey beating a bigger guy here and there would be fine, but why push a tiny, gimpy-kneed little man who can't even cut a decent promo like Superman (or Mighty Mouse)? Because he's one of the WWE's biggest draws. And taking realism to its logical conclusion means that Big Show should never lose. Professional wrestling is a spectacle. It isn't supposed to be a simulation of a realistic fight. If you can overlook a guy setting ringposts on fire with his mind, you can overlook size differences.
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Post by BarrelO on Aug 2, 2010 2:21:19 GMT -5
This is a terrible idea. Even-steven booking gets nobody over. If everyone is special, no one is. That's not what he's saying; just that Rey Mysterio can be strong without being a Terminator. The prevailing opinion on this board seems to be that Rey doing anything other than being squashed every week makes him look like a Terminator.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 2, 2010 2:38:11 GMT -5
Rey's first World Title run was pathetic. He was booked to lose every week and people complained. Now he's winning every week and people complain. The answer: book him in the middle. It's not that hard to figure out, and I don't understand why he's being booked like he is now. This is a terrible idea. Even-steven booking gets nobody over. If everyone is special, no one is. The Rock was over as hell and he lost just as much as he won, even at the height of his popularity.
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Post by AriadosMan on Aug 2, 2010 2:42:08 GMT -5
The Rock was over as hell and he lost just as much as he won, even at the height of his popularity. IMO, that was his problem. It never "depushed" The Rock to lose, but the guys that beat him didn't get "the rub" they should have because beating him didn't seem terribly special. Basically, getting a win over Rock meant much less than getting a win over Hogan did. The championship itself was devalued and it began to lead into things like Rey's first title run and Sheamus acting like a huge puss after he won the title. The Rock was the beginning of the end of the prestige of the belt itself, and the beginning of the era when "overness" became separated from winning and losing the title.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 2, 2010 10:42:17 GMT -5
I always hear he is a big part of SmackDown drawing big numbers from Latinos and also that he is very popular with kids who buy a lot of Rey merch. I am a bit tired of Rey too, but I understand why he's used the way he is. this...
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Aug 2, 2010 11:01:41 GMT -5
I can't stand him either. I wish he would just go away or get dropped down the card, already.
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Post by baerrtt on Aug 2, 2010 12:50:07 GMT -5
When Vince sees someone draw in audiences or a significant part of the demographic he always pushes them no matter what the smark contingent has to say. And besides as I've said before Rey's status should always be viewed as an encouraging and ultimate sign that guys who aren't WWE created and/or don't even fit in with Vince's idea of a main eventer can prosper VERY well in his promotion.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 2, 2010 13:11:41 GMT -5
The prevailing opinion on this board seems to be that Rey doing anything other than being squashed every week makes him look like a Terminator. Not at all. It's fair to say most people understand that Rey is going to win more than he loses. But when you keep getting shoved down everyone's throat as "the ultimate underdog" it gets annoying. Especially when said "underdog" wins 95% of his matches. I cant think of the last feud he lost....
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 2, 2010 13:15:52 GMT -5
Yeah, all I want is for him to be booked more realistically. I think I would even like him again if that happened. And I really doubt it would hurt his merchandise sales, so you can't even use that argument.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Evan Bourne is Rey Mysterio booked right.
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Post by baerrtt on Aug 2, 2010 13:30:06 GMT -5
Yeah, all I want is for him to be booked more realistically. I think I would even like him again if that happened. And I really doubt it would hurt his merchandise sales, so you can't even use that argument. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Evan Bourne is Rey Mysterio booked right. Rey was booked like Evan is today back in 2002-2004. The fact is if Bourne ever actually gets to the point where he becomes a bonafide top guy in WWE (and Rey alone has made this scenario possible) they're going to start booking him as more of a superman. That's WWF/E main eventer booking irrespective of the size of the wrestler in question.
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Post by BarrelO on Aug 2, 2010 22:22:24 GMT -5
Not at all. It's fair to say most people understand that Rey is going to win more than he loses. But when you keep getting shoved down everyone's throat as "the ultimate underdog" it gets annoying. Especially when said "underdog" wins 95% of his matches. I cant think of the last feud he lost.... How often do Cena, HHH, and Undertaker lose feuds? Complaining about main event babyfaces never jobbing is like complaining about nobody ever staying dead in comic books. It may not make sense on a certain level, but it's such an established convention of the genre that bitching about it is pretty pointless.
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