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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 21, 2010 23:10:49 GMT -5
So not being allowed to cheat to a title win is being screwed? Interesting logic. I was reading that Cena attacked him before he got RKO'd. If that didn't happen, just disregard. Yup, Cena hit Barrett, knocking him into an RKO from Orton.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 21, 2010 23:11:02 GMT -5
See I didn't miss anything great lol. I'm happy I watched the Living Dead episode four instead of SS 2010. The Walking Dead had a truly unexpectedly shocking epic type episode ending btw.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 21, 2010 23:11:09 GMT -5
So not being allowed to cheat to a title win is being screwed? Interesting logic. I was reading that Cena attacked him before he got RKO'd. If that didn't happen, just disregard. He did shove Wade for shoving him before the end.
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 21, 2010 23:11:28 GMT -5
At least I watched it in my bed...
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Post by mrjl on Nov 21, 2010 23:11:50 GMT -5
By twist I'm not meaning fingerpoke of doom or anything stupid or Russo-ish. But in setting up a pretty impossible dilemma for the match, I think most people expected ...something! to happen Something that actually justified the build, rather than as someone said, just giving us a match that wouldn't seem out of place on Raw. Something that didn't leave me with a whole bundle of unanswered questions (mainly ones beginning with "what was the point of...") Doing the right thing in the face of an impossible situation is something
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Post by zing on Nov 21, 2010 23:12:00 GMT -5
Well that was sheer lazy booking. Worst case scenario they could have gone with. That and the World Title ending. All these scenarios we could have got and we got that. All that build up involving Miz, Truth, Otunga and others and we get that? The most anticlimatic end to a match I've seen in a while no doubt. What is the bigger picture? Why did Nexus help Kane? Who the frick is the RAW GM? Will we ever get answers?!! Argh, exactly!!! I'd actually completely forgotten about the world title match ending, mainly because I was so stoked for the Barrett match. But that's two awful finishes in supposedly the two biggest matches on a big 4 ppv.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Nov 21, 2010 23:15:44 GMT -5
Survivor Series Thoughts:
Bryan vs. DiBiase: This was a really good match and opener. DiBiase might not have his daddy’s charisma, but he can work a match.
Also hopefully Bryan’s shoulder isn’t hurt too badly.
Sheamus vs. John Morrison: Another good match. These to work well together and well some may not like the finish, I thought it was good. It’s nice to see a non finisher finish every once in awhile.
Dolph Ziggler vs. Kaval: Slow start and a little sloppy overall, but still a really good match. It got time, Kaval got to show off his offense which the crowd pop for and lost because Ziggler held his tights. A great showing for Kaval.
Team Mysterio vs. Team Del Rio: I was dreading this match, but the crowd being really into it and the action being good and different really made for a fun match. I was dead wrong about this match.
LayCool vs. Natalya: Short, but good Diva’s match, good action and Natalya winning were a nice surprise and Beth’s return was really well done.
Kane vs. Edge: Solid match. Slow like most Kane matches & Edger matches, but solid overall. The crowd not being into it hurt it too.
As for the double pin finish I was fine with it. Better then a DQ in my opinion.
Slater & Gabriel vs. Santino & Kozlov: Nexus needed help to beat Santino & Kozlov. That is all.
Orton vs. Barrett: The match was going fine and building to a good match with good drama with Cena being involved. Then the finish happens. Cena didn’t turn, fine, Barrett didn’t win, fine, Orton retains, fine, but that’s it, Orton just retain with Cena’s help and the match ended about 10 minutes to early.
So Barrett looks stupid for picking Cena, Orton looks like he needed help from Cena. Not to mention NOONE BUYS THAT CENA IS FIRED! Just UGH!
Overall: A really good PPV until the last couple matches and the finish of the main event.
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Post by zing on Nov 21, 2010 23:16:09 GMT -5
By twist I'm not meaning fingerpoke of doom or anything stupid or Russo-ish. But in setting up a pretty impossible dilemma for the match, I think most people expected ...something! to happen Something that actually justified the build, rather than as someone said, just giving us a match that wouldn't seem out of place on Raw. Something that didn't leave me with a whole bundle of unanswered questions (mainly ones beginning with "what was the point of...") Doing the right thing in the face of an impossible situation is something I don't mind Cena's choice so much. The build to that with the Piper promo on Raw was very good. It's annoying mainly because everybody knows he's going to be back, and probably in no time at all. But it was so badly handled. I thought Wade came out of it looking really weak. When he started arguing over every near fall, you knew it was going to end with him being distracted and getting RKOed and he just looks stupid. And it didn't answer any of the questions that the angle has brought up. And we got Randy celebrates and Cena sadface for ages instead of any actual resolution. Morality play? Excellent. Just book it so its satisfying and don't make everyone involved look like an idiot.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Nov 21, 2010 23:16:10 GMT -5
Everyone keeps saying "what would a swerve have been better?"
YES.
You have had the top guys in the company do this whole song and dance for like two months, while having their opponents be pretty much the top heels of the RAW show currently, and THEN build up a huge stipulation match that just screams and begs for a really cool ending to shake things up.
However it ends with John Cena being a good dude, barret lookin kinda dumb and Orton awkwardly hugging Cena. Exciting. Eh least Kaval was awesome as hell tonight.
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Post by Zen411 on Nov 21, 2010 23:18:28 GMT -5
The most boring ending ever.
Why couldn't something happen? The Miz cashes in.... THe Miz joins the Nexus....Cena does a heel turn....something!
I just hated the end to both world title matches.
I miss PPVs that you left with the awed feeling of seeing something great or epic and you just couldn't wait to find out what the hell would happen next. This left me feeling hollow. I don't care right now and that's sad.
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Post by indymadman on Nov 21, 2010 23:20:13 GMT -5
Somebody earlier said it best....
This was a simple, yet complicated story....
a good person making a moral choice. He's a kids hero character... of course it was the right thing for him to do.
Fact is the ending WAS surprising in it's simplicity... They hinted at a ton of different scenarios... and in the end, Cena did the right thing.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 21, 2010 23:20:36 GMT -5
How epic was that Tidal Crush Ki gave Ziggler? I seriously thought Kaval just knocked Ziggler out. That was as stiff as shot as I've seen in years. Ziggler looked like he was out of position with the last-second adjustment. As a result, Ki f***ing destroyed him with that kick.
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Post by The Cool Pup on Nov 21, 2010 23:23:49 GMT -5
Remember the reactions from the crowd when Cena was in Nexus? Why did they not do anything like that for him being "fired"?
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Post by Snaptastic on Nov 21, 2010 23:25:24 GMT -5
Very anti-climatic ending indeed. I stayed up to watch that, and I have a 10-hour shift starting in 3 and half hours (7am).
Epic...fail.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 21, 2010 23:25:55 GMT -5
My concern is the WWE title picture now. Who challenges Orton? The Miz, who has no reason to with the guarenteed shot. Sheamus again? At the very least putting the belt on Barrett would have opened up some more possibilities.
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Post by indymadman on Nov 21, 2010 23:27:10 GMT -5
Basically R-Truth was playing the devil on Cena's shoulder.... that's about it... don't blame WWE for some of you overplaying his role...
Why would Miz cash in tonight? The champ wasn't really left harmed enough to attack...
Wade didn't look bad... he just looked wrong. He figured Cena's love for the WWE would make him break his morals... he was wrong.
Looks as if I'm the only person was was ok with the ending.
People get angry because the ending isn't what THEY want instead of where the story was heading.
If you go back and think about it... outside of the Kane stuff (helping Kane)... it all makes sense and is a classical story of a person not giving into the greed and sticking to their morals.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 21, 2010 23:27:30 GMT -5
That and the World Title ending. All these scenarios we could have got and we got that. All that build up involving Miz, Truth, Otunga and others and we get that? The most anticlimatic end to a match I've seen in a while no doubt. What is the bigger picture? Why did Nexus help Kane? Who the frick is the RAW GM? Will we ever get answers?!! Argh, exactly!!! I'd actually completely forgotten about the world title match ending, mainly because I was so stoked for the Barrett match. But that's two awful finishes in supposedly the two biggest matches on a big 4 ppv. for people who dislike predictablity it's amazing how every thread that's pulled out has to be dealt with. Miz had no reason to interfere because the champ was healthy and able to fight. Plus another guy who dislikes him was standing in the ring next to the champ. Truth didn't do anything because Cena told him not to, and any actions he would have taken would not have been a heel turn but a misguided attempt to help Cena. Which Cena made clear he didn't want. Otunga didn't do anything because Otunga would have been suspended if he did. The Nexus helped Kane because they felt like it. Same reason they attacked announcers during their debut and have beat up people for no reason in the back.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 21, 2010 23:28:51 GMT -5
My concern is the WWE title picture now. Who challenges Orton? The Miz, who has no reason to with the guarenteed shot. Sheamus again? At the very least putting the belt on Barrett would have opened up some more possibilities. They could just go Barrett again. Wade baits Randy saying the only reason he won is because of Cena ( which wouldn't be logical since he picked him; but it'd make heelish logic), Randy decides to prove that's not so. Possibly throw in a cage match in there, because, eh cage match.
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Post by indymadman on Nov 21, 2010 23:29:32 GMT -5
Argh, exactly!!! I'd actually completely forgotten about the world title match ending, mainly because I was so stoked for the Barrett match. But that's two awful finishes in supposedly the two biggest matches on a big 4 ppv. for people who dislike predictablity it's amazing how every thread that's pulled out has to be dealt with. Miz had no reason to interfere because the champ was healthy and able to fight. Plus another guy who dislikes him was standing in the ring next to the champ. Truth didn't do anything because Cena told him not to, and any actions he would have taken would not have been a heel turn but a misguided attempt to help Cena. Which Cena made clear he didn't want. Otunga didn't do anything because Otunga would have been suspended if he did. The Nexus helped Kane because they felt like it. Same reason they attacked announcers during their debut and have beat up people for no reason in the back. This. We posted similar at the same time.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 21, 2010 23:35:17 GMT -5
Doing the right thing in the face of an impossible situation is something I don't mind Cena's choice so much. The build to that with the Piper promo on Raw was very good. It's annoying mainly because everybody knows he's going to be back, and probably in no time at all. But it was so badly handled. I thought Wade came out of it looking really weak. When he started arguing over every near fall, you knew it was going to end with him being distracted and getting RKOed and he just looks stupid. And it didn't answer any of the questions that the angle has brought up. And we got Randy celebrates and Cena sadface for ages instead of any actual resolution. Morality play? Excellent. Just book it so its satisfying and don't make everyone involved look like an idiot. If you know it's a morality play then the ending is predictable, and the WWE can't make you unknow it. If you try to change it up, then you lose the morality play bit.
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