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Post by zing on Nov 21, 2010 23:38:12 GMT -5
Basically R-Truth was playing the devil on Cena's shoulder.... that's about it... don't blame WWE for some of you overplaying his role... Why would Miz cash in tonight? The champ wasn't really left harmed enough to attack... Wade didn't look bad... he just looked wrong. He figured Cena's love for the WWE would make him break his morals... he was wrong. Looks as if I'm the only person was was ok with the ending. People get angry because the ending isn't what THEY want instead of where the story was heading. If you go back and think about it... outside of the Kane stuff (helping Kane)... it all makes sense and is a classical story of a person not giving into the greed and sticking to their morals. I had no idea what I wanted, I just wanted something that would entertain me and be worthy of the build up. To me, the idea that made the most sense was Barrett wins, Cena is free, Cena starts beating up Barrett, Miz cashes in, Cena still in ref shirt counts 3, Miz wins. Setting up Miz/Orton to feud over the title and elevating Miz to main event, and Barrett/Cena. Orton's been nothing but a bit player in the whole feud so it made sense to remove him from the Barrett/Cena equation, and Miz doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot atm. Even then, that wasn't really what I wanted to happen because I doubt the title comes out of that scenario looking and I want Wade to have a good proper run with the title.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 21, 2010 23:39:19 GMT -5
The Nexus helped Kane because they felt like it. Same reason they attacked announcers during their debut and have beat up people for no reason in the back. That's the big secret reason that Otunga was about to tell the world before Barrett shut him up? Because they felt like it?
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 21, 2010 23:42:31 GMT -5
I'm sure they had a reason for them attacking Kane, I just don't see why it would suddenly have to be revealed at this PPV. The Cena angle was enough of a buildup without them piling on swerve for the sake of swerve.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 21, 2010 23:42:40 GMT -5
The Nexus helped Kane because they felt like it. Same reason they attacked announcers during their debut and have beat up people for no reason in the back. That's the big secret reason that Otunga was about to tell the world before Barrett shut him up? Because they felt like it? well, randomness is a lot more scary when you're not sure it's really random.
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Post by zing on Nov 21, 2010 23:45:49 GMT -5
I don't mind Cena's choice so much. The build to that with the Piper promo on Raw was very good. It's annoying mainly because everybody knows he's going to be back, and probably in no time at all. But it was so badly handled. I thought Wade came out of it looking really weak. When he started arguing over every near fall, you knew it was going to end with him being distracted and getting RKOed and he just looks stupid. And it didn't answer any of the questions that the angle has brought up. And we got Randy celebrates and Cena sadface for ages instead of any actual resolution. Morality play? Excellent. Just book it so its satisfying and don't make everyone involved look like an idiot. If you know it's a morality play then the ending is predictable, and the WWE can't make you unknow it. If you try to change it up, then you lose the morality play bit. I think we all know Cena's going to come out on top in the end, probably at Wrestlemania. But there's a myriad of ways of getting there, most of which would fit a classical narrative quite happily. The other issue is that firing Cena doesn't come across as genuine peril. We're not convinced he has sacrificed in order to do the right thing. Because we all know he'll be back, hence the existence already of a thread polling various ways of him returning. And yes the kids know that too. Back when I was a painfully tragic mark in single digits even I knew that nobody stayed retired for more than a month or two.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Nov 21, 2010 23:49:13 GMT -5
I'm sure they had a reason for them attacking Kane, I just don't see why it would suddenly have to be revealed at this PPV. The Cena angle was enough of a buildup without them piling on swerve for the sake of swerve. I agree and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that'll get to it in time. I just find it hard to believe they'd do it then sweep it under the rug as a random act.
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Post by Raja Lion on Nov 21, 2010 23:52:01 GMT -5
Pretty meh PPV. There were some good matches and everyone worked hard, but the booking was predictable and stale + the crowd was dead for 90% of the show.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 21, 2010 23:54:39 GMT -5
I'm sure they had a reason for them attacking Kane, I just don't see why it would suddenly have to be revealed at this PPV. The Cena angle was enough of a buildup without them piling on swerve for the sake of swerve. I agree and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that'll get to it in time. I just find it hard to believe they'd do it then sweep it under the rug as a random act. I wouldn't be surprised if they stated something and then ignored it, since they've done it before. But yeah, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now. As for the Miz, it'd make zero sense for him to cash in right now. If Barrett won, even if Cena beat him down (and remember that Miz and Cena aren't exactly buddies here), then NExus could still run in, get Barrett disqualified, and Barrett would still have the title. Cena wouldn't be a ref after the match ends, after all. For how it ended, Orton was still fine, and has one-upped the Miz before without any problems whatsoever. If he came out, then he'd be fighting Orton who would be at, say, 60 percent, which is much more than Miz would want. If you're going to cash in MitB like that, you're not going to do it on someone who is still capable of getting out of it, you're going to make sure it's a sure thing.
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Post by Snaptastic on Nov 21, 2010 23:57:31 GMT -5
Pretty meh PPV. There were some good matches and everyone worked hard, but the booking was predictable and stale + the crowd was dead for 90% of the show. I agree for the most part. But I'd say the crowd were pretty into at least 50% of the show.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 22, 2010 0:00:25 GMT -5
The DBD-DiBiase and Ziggler-Kaval matches alone were worth the price to me (granted, I only chipped in to watch at a friend's, but still).
I didn't have any problem with the outcome. It could have gone four or five different ways, and this was one of them. I never expected a Cena heel turn at this juncture, and the idea of waiting a little longer for The Miz cash-in (attempt, successful or not) is OK by me.
I don't get how this made Barrett look weak at all -- exactly how the heck was he supposed to look strong when he needed a "bought" referee to win in the first place? He's no less imposing than before, as the whole idea was he needed Cena to help him beat Orton because he couldn't do it by himself. If anything, getting beat because of Cena's actions instead of straight up makes him look less weak.
Of course Cena will be back. Big deal. So will HBK, most likely, at some point. It's wrestling. What do you expect?
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 22, 2010 0:11:42 GMT -5
It's amazing how they had a great chance to take a chance, make Wade the champ, and start a 3-way feud between Cena trying to make things right, and Orton wanting his title back and getting revenge on Cena for screwing him over by...well, doing the right thing.
Instead, they didn't, and Cena will be back tomorrow. >_<
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Post by Clawley Race on Nov 22, 2010 1:53:48 GMT -5
Unresolved issues + more questions = reason to watch next show + order next ppv
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Post by Zen411 on Nov 22, 2010 3:34:32 GMT -5
My concern is the WWE title picture now. Who challenges Orton? The Miz, who has no reason to with the guarenteed shot. Sheamus again? At the very least putting the belt on Barrett would have opened up some more possibilities. Time to play the Game....
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Post by Totorob101 on Nov 22, 2010 3:34:46 GMT -5
All i can say is yet another poor show and as usual another disapointing ending.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 22, 2010 3:34:59 GMT -5
I just got back from Miami and seeing the PPV live and I have to say that I was really underwhelmed by the show.
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When I was standing at the merch stand, I saw an old coworker of mine that was there with his girl. He then texted me a photo of his ringside seats. That they got for free. Seriously, screw that guy. Nah, he's alright.
I was sitting near some guy that was cheering for the heels all night and he had the Nexus logo shaved into the back of his head.
They didn't have a single shirt I wanted in my size...not Nexus, not Miz...so I settled for the PPV shirt. (Seriously, all I wanted was a XL dammit!)
Crowd was pretty hot for Daniel Bryan vs Ted DiBiase and it was a pretty damn fun match live...and yes I just said that about a match involving DiBiase. Miz got a lot of heat for his promo afterwards, which is to be expected with him bashing the Heat.
Crowd was into Sheamus/Morrison was well...especially the finish.
Cena/Truth promo gave me too much hope for the finish of the main event.
Crowd was still hot for Kaval/Ziggler...but mostly for Kaval. Lots of Spirit Squad chants for Ziggler. My first time getting to see Kaval in the ring and I was impressed.
Promo for Team Del Rio...outstanding.
Team Mysterio vs Team Del Rio...it started to go down a bit here...especially with the predictable outcome. Show and Mysterio standing tall...surprise surprise. I was hoping for Del Rio to come through, for the man is gold. I also am now renaming the Uso Pop to the Reks Pop. Seriously, Tyler Reks got ZERO reaction from the crowd whatsoever until he started hitting a few power moves. They were hot for Mysterio, Del Rio, Cody Rhodes and Jack Swagger.
LayCool vs Natalya...huge exodus for the restrooms when LayCool's entrance started. Nice pop for Natalya and for her win. Nice to see Beth Phoenix back although I think we all expected it.
Kane vs Edge...crowd hated it. They wanted the Spear, but we were bored to tears by the match. Some guy yelled "Hey Kane, I need a good dentist." Same guy tried starting some Isaac Yankem chants. I was surprised by the finish. I expected Edge to win since Kane used his pyro before the match. Nice way to pull the wool over our eyes Vince. Another smartass yelled "Excuse me! I have a message from our general manager. And I quote...this match is boring!!!!"
Santino/Kozlov vs Nexus. Santino is over huge! Pops for everything he did. Huge heat for Cole saying "And I quote" for the GM crap.
Orton vs Barrett...the crowd was 50/50 pro and anti-Cena. Huge pop for Orton winning and Cena high fiving the fans after the match. I personally couldn't believe they went with the least interesting scenario for the finish. Hard to get me to plop down $50 for Mania to see Cena kick Barrett's arse when I see him hit him on almost a weekly basis. Where were Truth and Miz? It just didn't seem like a huge deal.
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Post by Mermaidman on Nov 22, 2010 4:10:19 GMT -5
Just woke up and pretty disappointed that they went with the easy option for the main event. John Cena will be back in a couple of months thats what makes it stupid I am so glad I do not buy the PPV's anymore, It would have saved the ending if the Miz had decided to cash-in.
What a surprise Mysterio looks a million dollars again, I am not too bothered about the face team winning just him jobbing people out again why can't Kofi win it who does alot more in putting people over?
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Post by Dope Pope on Nov 22, 2010 5:23:33 GMT -5
Terrible PPV, one that'll be forgotten just hours after watching it. Completely uneventful and boring. Thumbs down, way, way, way down.
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Post by the5thhorseman on Nov 22, 2010 5:59:50 GMT -5
I really think they were making Cena handing Orton the title like a passing of the torch as the top baby face for the company leading to the oft-rumored Cena heel turn.
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Post by shadowangel on Nov 22, 2010 8:04:08 GMT -5
I spent the whole weekend watching bad WCW PPVs. Seeing Survivor Series 2010 felt like watching another terrible WCW PPV. Unbelievable, it even followed the same formular: Good opener, then it started to suck and the main evens were the same old shit.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 22, 2010 8:06:29 GMT -5
My main problem with the PPV, and I'm sure that it's been said many, many times already, is that it just felt uneventful, like it was just another episode of Raw or Smackdown, where nothing of any importance really happened. We all know that Cena will be back in less than a month, possibly even tonight.
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