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Post by Michael Coello on Nov 22, 2010 20:45:25 GMT -5
You've still damaged, imo and ironically, the Bat brand by having others be Batmen even in the short term because Green Lantern and Flash were hurt so badly by all those years where Kyle Rayner and Wally West wore the outfits [/Dan Didio] [/Alex Ross] I think there is a difference between "successor" and "army" |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 22, 2010 21:15:44 GMT -5
So do you feel the same about Batman Knightfall? When Bane put batman on the sidelines and Jean-Paul Valley took the job? Kinda, yeah, but that was mostly because the AzBat stories were god awful. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 22, 2010 22:51:08 GMT -5
because Green Lantern and Flash were hurt so badly by all those years where Kyle Rayner and Wally West wore the outfits [/Dan Didio] [/Alex Ross] Is this sarcasm cause I have always liked Wally as The Flash, I just assumed it was a popular character I thought the [/Alex Ross] bit was a tip-off  he's notoriously dickish about any comic written after 1970. |
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Post by spartan on Nov 23, 2010 1:08:31 GMT -5
So do you feel the same about Batman Knightfall? When Bane put batman on the sidelines and Jean-Paul Valley took the job? Kinda, yeah, but that was mostly because the AzBat stories were god awful. I can see that but if it weren't for that bane would never have been nearly the caliber of villain he is. |
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Nov 23, 2010 1:20:18 GMT -5
Again, part of the appeal of Batman is that he's unique. If everyone's Batman, then all of a sudden, the REAL Batman doesn't look so special anymore. He looks.....well, like a normal guy in a bat costume. I get this, and I must admit I have not read it so I am a bit uninformed but it seems to me PLEASE CORRECT me if I am WRONG. But from my perspective he isn't picking regular joes off the street to do this. he has to be using people trained as he is? This for me is the most important part, and why I'm willing to give Batman Inc. a try (I bought the first issue and based on it, will buy the second, but that's for later). Batman isn't just flying to a country and signing up every person he can find to be Batman. In the first issue, he goes to Japan and tries to find ONE hero who he respects and in Bruce's description, sounds qualified for the position of being a Batman. And the fact is, looking at the situation realistically, it makes 100% sense that Bruce would do this. He obviously can't be everywhere at once, and hiring these Batmen to protect other parts of the country who need absolutely no training from Bruce is realistically, extremely logical. Not to mention the fact that if you don't care for Batman Inc., just don't pick it up and just read the main series. Tony Daniel has said he is going to focus solely on Gotham and Dick as Batman. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 27, 2010 19:30:19 GMT -5
Picked up this week's books this morning, and a couple from last week. Afterwards, had a thought about the two Avengers titles I read, Avengers and Secret Avengers. And that thought was, "These aren't really Avengers books."
Secret Avengers is a good book, but it's basically Steve Rogers and his action gals. Nova played a very small part (and it looks like he won't be doing much after Thanos Imperative #6). Beast and Moon Knight don't do much. I do like the usage of Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man, but that's about the only thing keeping it from just being "Steve Rogers' Secret Missions". For example, there was a scene in the current issue where Rogers needs to intimidate someone into talking. Instead of using Moon Knight, a mentally disturbed ex-mercenary...he goes with Sharon Carter. Again, it's a good book, but feels more like a Captain America book than an Avengers book.
Then Avengers. Ah, Avengers. Firstly, enough with The Hood. Seriously, of all the villains that would be searching for the Infinity Gems, The Hood? And he's able to just pluck them up with ease. The Inhumans would really just leave the Reality gem behind when they went into space to get revenge on the Skrulls, then take over the Kree Empire? And more to the point, this book is less The Avengers and more "popular characters stand around quipping". I could see Spidey and Hawkeye having a running thing with the quips, but there's so much more interesting things to do with these characters. How do Spider-Woman and Noh-Varr feel being on a team of wall-to-wall legends and powerhouses? How does Bucky feel being on a team with Iron Man, considering what happened in Civil War? What's the dynamic between Thor and Wolverine, two of the company's biggest characters who've had almost no interaction until now? Nahhh, let's just have them snark at whatever threat shows up. And their entire strategy seems to consist of, "Let Thor smash it."
Like I said, they just don't "feel" Avengers to me.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 27, 2010 19:45:16 GMT -5
Picked up this week's books this morning, and a couple from last week. Afterwards, had a thought about the two Avengers titles I read, Avengers and Secret Avengers. And that thought was, "These aren't really Avengers books." Secret Avengers is a good book, but it's basically Steve Rogers and his action gals. Nova played a very small part (and it looks like he won't be doing much after Thanos Imperative #6). Beast and Moon Knight don't do much. I do like the usage of Eric O'Grady's Ant-Man, but that's about the only thing keeping it from just being "Steve Rogers' Secret Missions". For example, there was a scene in the current issue where Rogers needs to intimidate someone into talking. Instead of using Moon Knight, a mentally disturbed ex-mercenary...he goes with Sharon Carter. Again, it's a good book, but feels more like a Captain America book than an Avengers book. Then Avengers. Ah, Avengers. Firstly, enough with The Hood. Seriously, of all the villains that would be searching for the Infinity Gems, The Hood? And he's able to just pluck them up with ease. The Inhumans would really just leave the Reality gem behind when they went into space to get revenge on the Skrulls, then take over the Kree Empire? And more to the point, this book is less The Avengers and more "popular characters stand around quipping". I could see Spidey and Hawkeye having a running thing with the quips, but there's so much more interesting things to do with these characters. How do Spider-Woman and Noh-Varr feel being on a team of wall-to-wall legends and powerhouses? How does Bucky feel being on a team with Iron Man, considering what happened in Civil War? What's the dynamic between Thor and Wolverine, two of the company's biggest characters who've had almost no interaction until now? Nahhh, let's just have them snark at whatever threat shows up. And their entire strategy seems to consist of, "Let Thor smash it." Like I said, they just don't "feel" Avengers to me. You forget that Brian Michael Bendis has just turned The Hood into his own personal pet project of a villain, therefore, any rules of logic or continuity don't apply to him. |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 27, 2010 20:27:14 GMT -5
I really need to get to the comic book store soon and pick up all the Avengers stuff I've missed in the past few weeks.
Also, has the Chaos War's Dead Avenger stuff started yet? I'm psyched as hell about seeing how it plays out.
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Post by Legion on Nov 27, 2010 20:27:59 GMT -5
But, thr Hood can use the Infinity Gem!
He can use the Reality Gem without problem
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 27, 2010 20:31:37 GMT -5
But, thr Hood can use the Infinity Gem! He can use the Reality Gem without problem Next month, I hear he's going to combine the Ultimate Nullifier with the Cosmic Cube to kill Eternity before taking over the NYC crime scene from The Kingpin. I think that's the problem. The idea of him being "The Kingpin of Super-Villains" was a pretty good one. But ordering around Armadillo and Grizzly is one thing...all of sudden, he's wielding the Norn Stones and the Infinity Gems. |
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Post by Malibu Albino on Nov 27, 2010 20:41:21 GMT -5
Then Avengers. Ah, Avengers. Firstly, enough with The Hood. Seriously, of all the villains that would be searching for the Infinity Gems, The Hood? And he's able to just pluck them up with ease. The Inhumans would really just leave the Reality gem behind when they went into space to get revenge on the Skrulls, then take over the Kree Empire? And more to the point, this book is less The Avengers and more "popular characters stand around quipping". I could see Spidey and Hawkeye having a running thing with the quips, but there's so much more interesting things to do with these characters. How do Spider-Woman and Noh-Varr feel being on a team of wall-to-wall legends and powerhouses? How does Bucky feel being on a team with Iron Man, considering what happened in Civil War? What's the dynamic between Thor and Wolverine, two of the company's biggest characters who've had almost no interaction until now? Nahhh, let's just have them snark at whatever threat shows up. And their entire strategy seems to consist of, "Let Thor smash it." Like I said, they just don't "feel" Avengers to me. This is why I stopped reading Bendis' Avengers and New Avengers, it's just gotten derailed into pointless fan fiction. I say give Avengers Academy a try, that book has been great! |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 27, 2010 20:47:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Avengers Academy has been great. I still kinda wish they'd have used someone else in Speedball's place, though, given that he's not an Avenger. I mean, I get that he fits the motif of the book, but still... I'd have loved to have seen someone like Black Knight, Firebird, or Stingray in a regular Avengers title again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2010 22:51:10 GMT -5
Awwww why The Hood hate?
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 27, 2010 22:55:13 GMT -5
Hood as "The Kingpin of the Small-Time Supervillains"-Fine Hood as overpowered collector of the most powerful artifacts in the Marvel Universe-Not so fine. Seriously, he punched out The Red Hulk. The Red Hulk, who is the literal posterchild for the "Mary Sue" on tvtropes.org...and The Hood just out-Mary Sue'd him! |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 27, 2010 22:56:15 GMT -5
He's not a BAD villain, but Bendis has turned him into this unstoppable force of a villain that's apparently now a Hulk-puncher. And he ignores continuity and logic to do it. |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 27, 2010 23:16:38 GMT -5
Seriously, he punched out The Red Hulk. The Red Hulk, who is the literal posterchild for the "Mary Sue" on tvtropes.org...and The Hood just out-Mary Sue'd him! That's so wrong... on so many levels... |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 27, 2010 23:20:19 GMT -5
Yeah, the original story idea for The Hood was great, but it CLEARLY got away from Bendis.
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Post by Legion on Nov 28, 2010 17:25:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Avengers Academy has been great. I still kinda wish they'd have used someone else in Speedball's place, though, given that he's not an Avenger. I mean, I get that he fits the motif of the book, but still... I'd have loved to have seen someone like Black Knight, Firebird, or Stingray in a regular Avengers title again. Dane Whitman NEEDS to show up again. The Black Knight is one of my favourite B/C string characters ever. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 29, 2010 9:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the original story idea for The Hood was great, but it CLEARLY got away from Bendis. that's true of a lot of characters Bendis takes on, though. he included Sentry in Avengers because he was afraid of people forgetting him. he seemed to miss the whole "mary sue fantasy story" aspects of the original mini and proceeded to write the character completely straight-faced, which was never what the character was intended for. there's also the feeling that the "hero gone bad" during Siege was originally going to be the Scarlet Witch (which would have been even worse) but after the venom he got for derailing her in Avengers Dissassembled, Bendis had no choice but to abandon that dumb idea and crammed the Sentry into the role instead. and since fans were already tired of the Sentry's sudden and largely undeserved/boring push, nobody gave a shit when it happened anyway. with the Hood, the original mini by Brian K Vaughan was just supposed to be about a villain protagonist supervillain who didn't really care about being the big bad or anything, he just wanted money for his family. Bendis proceeded to make him a "wizard-did-it" style overpowered magic villain, put him in a role he was never intended for, crammed him down fans throats even thiough they never really bought the guy as a serious threat, and in the process ignored everything that was charming and likeable about the guy in the first place. I appreciate that Bendis is trying to keep newer characters from getting lost in the shuffle but he just does it the wrong way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 10:31:25 GMT -5
I haven't read any of the Hood's stuff since Dark Reign but is he actually trying to conquer the world now or something?
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helped $lim jinx NXT. Woops
he's notoriously dickish about any comic written after 1970.
if I got this for christmas I would shoot stuff from my fanny
