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Post by Cronant on May 6, 2011 13:53:06 GMT -5
So you expect Orton to be all "golly gee Vince, I don't want the title. Keep it on Christian!"? Hell no. You take it and be happy they entrust you with the World Title. You do realize that Dreamer said, if you will "golly gee Heyman, I don't want the title," don't you? He's not the only one; you can refuse the heavyweight championship 'cause, you know, it's not like they can't find someone else to put it on, if they can't, for some reason, keep it on the guy it's on. That's not to say (as I've said before) that he didn't say that and they didn't put the title on him anyways. Gotta be honest, I think you're a troll. And not just cause of this post, but I've read some of your others, and they reek of troll. Why on earth would Orton refuse the title? Thats not going to keep the belt on Christian, they'll find someone else willing to accept the title. They drafted Orton to be the flag bearer on Smackdown, he knows that. If they say "we want you to win the title" then he's accepting.
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Post by The Cole Mine on May 6, 2011 13:55:12 GMT -5
People are still angry and upset, threatening to quit watching, over the result of a scripted match. Which is a far gone overreaction to something relatively small. So the point still stands. 1. Exactly how many people do you expect to actually quit watching? 2. The problem isn't the fact that he lost the title, but how unceremoniously he lost it, two days after winning the damn thing. 3. The fact that he lost the title seems to continue with the underlying problem, one us, the wee smarks, nor some of the boys backstage can fix: they just don't have faith in Christian, and the odds of him ever being in the main event, despite all his potential and all he's given them, is slim. So, the point doesn't stand. Getting upset over a political move =/= bawwing over your guy losing. 1. It's still a silly knee jerk reaction. 2. So? Kane lost his first WWE title after a day. It sure hurt his career! Poor guy has never recovered. I mean sheesh, didn't he get jobbed out to Kurrgan after that? 3. Once again, so? Not everyone can be "THE" guy. Mr. Perfect, Owen Hart, The British Bulldog, Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, etc. all guys who were over and talented but were never a top guy besides a program or two. Christian is in the same spot, it is nothing bad. In the end people are still upset over the result of a match, I don't care what your reasoning is, you're still upset. That still is on level with crying Cena fans and little Caylee.
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Post by Beartato on May 6, 2011 13:55:40 GMT -5
My god, that was depressing.
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Post by The Cole Mine on May 6, 2011 13:58:38 GMT -5
None of us are crying because "Our guy" lost. We're pissed off because of the way it has been done. Its such an unprofessional thing to do by creative. CM Punk has lost a LOT of feud enders, and besidesa lot of eye-rolling and dismissive attitudes towards the bookers, none of us have cried our eyes out over it. Exactly. People are pissed because they clearly refused to give Christian a goddamn chance to run with the ball. It's like they don't even give a crap that he has potential. No one is mad because he lost a pre-determined match. People need to look beyond the whole "wrestling is fake, don't be angry" mentality. Bottom line here is that they showed a complete lack of faith in one of their top performers. What about Alberto Del Rio then? They reportedly changed their mind about giving him the World Title at the Rumble, Mania, and Extreme Rules. At least they gave Christian the damn thing if only for a couple of days. That's more than a lot of people can say.
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Post by kriskomet on May 6, 2011 13:59:20 GMT -5
I have to say first off I haven't watched wrestling in years, I've checked up on it and have had times where I was tempted to watch again but something always ended up stopping me from taking the leap back in. Then I heard that The Rock came back, which is cool enough I'm a pretty big Rock mark but even hes not going to make me watch exclusively for him. Then I heard Christian was holding the title, that was enough for me to actually want to start watching again, I always thought Christian had the right stuff to make it in the Main Event and I always marked out for him, so I figured I would watch and see how they handle his title reign. Well luckily I read spoilers and I have decided not to waste my time on WWE for the time being. Hopefully they can get their heads out of their asses sometime in the next couple of years so I can actually watch a decent wrestling show.
Also I think its laughable that people are up in arms about how people are threatening to stop watching because of a Match ending. Well of course they are, thats what the WWE is all about and if they cant do that right there is no point in watching their product.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on May 6, 2011 14:02:16 GMT -5
1. Exactly how many people do you expect to actually quit watching? 2. The problem isn't the fact that he lost the title, but how unceremoniously he lost it, two days after winning the damn thing. 3. The fact that he lost the title seems to continue with the underlying problem, one us, the wee smarks, nor some of the boys backstage can fix: they just don't have faith in Christian, and the odds of him ever being in the main event, despite all his potential and all he's given them, is slim. So, the point doesn't stand. Getting upset over a political move =/= bawwing over your guy losing. 1. It's still a silly knee jerk reaction. 2. So? Kane lost his first WWE title after a day. It sure hurt his career! Poor guy has never recovered. I mean sheesh, didn't he get jobbed out to Kurrgan after that? 3. Once again, so? Not everyone can be "THE" guy. Mr. Perfect, Owen Hart, The British Bulldog, Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, etc. all guys who were over and talented but were never a top guy besides a program or two. Christian is in the same spot, it is nothing bad. In the end people are still upset over the result of a match, I don't care what your reasoning is, you're still upset. That still is on level with crying Cena fans and little Caylee. Leave it to me to use the dreaded "m" word. Either you're a mark, or you probably didn't start watching wrestling until a few years ago. Back then, and even during the early '90's, you didn't need a world title to be considered a main eventer. Hell, sometimes, more people paid attention to the Intercontinental Championship than they did the Heavyweight title. Remember WrestleMania X? The billed main event was Bret Hart versus Yokozuna. Ask the average wrestling fan and they'd tell you the match of the night was Shawn Michaels versus Razor Ramon. And most of the guys you mentioned; Mr. Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts; they were main eventers. Same with Roddy Piper, who also never held the WWE Championship. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on May 6, 2011 14:03:30 GMT -5
Exactly. People are pissed because they clearly refused to give Christian a goddamn chance to run with the ball. It's like they don't even give a crap that he has potential. No one is mad because he lost a pre-determined match. People need to look beyond the whole "wrestling is fake, don't be angry" mentality. Bottom line here is that they showed a complete lack of faith in one of their top performers. What about Alberto Del Rio then? They reportedly changed their mind about giving him the World Title at the Rumble, Mania, and Extreme Rules. At least they gave Christian the damn thing if only for a couple of days. That's more than a lot of people can say. Because we havent seen concrete evidence of them pulling the rug from under Del Rio. They took the belt off Christian immediately after they gave it to him. the only way it couldve been worse was if it was at a house show. If Christian hadnt won the belt, it wouldnt be an issue. But to give the guy virtually no time as champion just stinks. There isnt a single person on the roster I approve of this happening to. It works with MITB cashins, but this is completely different.
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Post by The Cole Mine on May 6, 2011 14:13:20 GMT -5
1. It's still a silly knee jerk reaction. 2. So? Kane lost his first WWE title after a day. It sure hurt his career! Poor guy has never recovered. I mean sheesh, didn't he get jobbed out to Kurrgan after that? 3. Once again, so? Not everyone can be "THE" guy. Mr. Perfect, Owen Hart, The British Bulldog, Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts, etc. all guys who were over and talented but were never a top guy besides a program or two. Christian is in the same spot, it is nothing bad. In the end people are still upset over the result of a match, I don't care what your reasoning is, you're still upset. That still is on level with crying Cena fans and little Caylee. Leave it to me to use the dreaded "m" word. Either you're a mark, or you probably didn't start watching wrestling until a few years ago. Back then, and even during the early '90's, you didn't need a world title to be considered a main eventer. Hell, sometimes, more people paid attention to the Intercontinental Championship than they did the Heavyweight title. Remember WrestleMania X? The billed main event was Bret Hart versus Yokozuna. Ask the average wrestling fan and they'd tell you the match of the night was Shawn Michaels versus Razor Ramon. And most of the guys you mentioned; Mr. Perfect, Ted DiBiase, Jake Roberts; they were main eventers. Same with Roddy Piper, who also never held the WWE Championship. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, I am a mark. We all are marks. And if I "just started watching" like you are trying to paint me as such. I definitely would not know of freaking Kurrgan of all people. Perfect, DiBiase, and Roberts were Mid to Upper Midcarders with the exception of one angle or two. Christian is in the same boat. Title reigns now are passed around more than a bong at RVD's house. Title reigns are nothing more than a stat than an actual accomplishment. How many times over the years have people complained about wrestlers having shitty reigns? People act like this is the end of the world. I love Christian, but unless he starts jobbing to Jey Uso on Superstars, this isn't a big deal.
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Post by Snaptastic on May 6, 2011 14:19:41 GMT -5
Just saw the opening video package.
WWE really are trolling I tell ya!
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Post by The Cole Mine on May 6, 2011 14:24:23 GMT -5
What about Alberto Del Rio then? They reportedly changed their mind about giving him the World Title at the Rumble, Mania, and Extreme Rules. At least they gave Christian the damn thing if only for a couple of days. That's more than a lot of people can say. Because we havent seen concrete evidence of them pulling the rug from under Del Rio. They took the belt off Christian immediately after they gave it to him. the only way it couldve been worse was if it was at a house show. If Christian hadnt won the belt, it wouldnt be an issue. But to give the guy virtually no time as champion just stinks. There isnt a single person on the roster I approve of this happening to. It works with MITB cashins, but this is completely different. And how do you know the rug is being swept out from Christian? Just because he lost the title doesn't mean he is going to be stuck wrestling Trent Barreta for the rest of his career. I'd rather remember his title victory then having to remember what a lackluster reign he had, which judging by most title reigns anymore, that would be accurate. I mean look at the reigns of Punk, Mysterio, Swagger, etc. their reigns were lackluster and have been the focal points of such discussions. Not to mention at least Christian won and lost the belt in good matches and wasn't just handed to him like Mr. Ziggles.
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Post by 543Y2J on May 6, 2011 14:30:32 GMT -5
Just saw the opening video package. WWE really are trolling I tell ya! Yep thats what I thought when I saw that and Christians opening promo. Im going to spoiler a quote from it as people may want to hear for themselves when they see it, but they seemed to have really rubbed this whole thing and made it seem like a big deal just so they can take it away from him. If they didnt have the package and the promo on Smackdown I may not be as angry at this, than I actually am. {Spoiler}'...my peeps. You've always had my back, you always believed in me, you always let your voices be heard, you all wanted this moment just as much as I did. And for that I say thank you'
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on May 6, 2011 14:37:56 GMT -5
Because we havent seen concrete evidence of them pulling the rug from under Del Rio. They took the belt off Christian immediately after they gave it to him. the only way it couldve been worse was if it was at a house show. If Christian hadnt won the belt, it wouldnt be an issue. But to give the guy virtually no time as champion just stinks. There isnt a single person on the roster I approve of this happening to. It works with MITB cashins, but this is completely different. And how do you know the rug is being swept out from Christian? Just because he lost the title doesn't mean he is going to be stuck wrestling Trent Barreta for the rest of his career. I'd rather remember his title victory then having to remember what a lackluster reign he had, which judging by most title reigns anymore, that would be accurate. I mean look at the reigns of Punk, Mysterio, Swagger, etc. their reigns were lackluster and have been the focal points of such discussions. Not to mention at least Christian won and lost the belt in good matches and wasn't just handed to him like Mr. Ziggles. At no point did I say that he would be buried and relegated to jobber status. They had him drop the title on free TV 2 DAYS after he won it. No tlk of an injury, no MITB cash in, nothing. If that doesnt strike you as suspicious, then fine. Punk, Mysterio and Swagger all suffered terrible booking. Punk had a phenomenal feud with Jeff Hardy that made him the top heel in the game, and then just got jobbed out to Undertakr after a lame rehash of Montreal at Breaking Point. Christians ECW reign gets a lot of love here. There is no evidence to suggest his reign wouldve tanked the way youre assuming it would.
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Post by Legion on May 6, 2011 14:42:45 GMT -5
While Christian gets alot of love on the internet, the fact he got the shot in the first place simply due to sympathy seems to have escaped people.
There are better, and younger, people who could do with an elevation that a guy whose boat sailed along time ago imo.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on May 6, 2011 14:50:30 GMT -5
While Christian gets alot of love on the internet, the fact he got the shot in the first place simply due to sympathy seems to have escaped people. There are better, and younger, people who could do with an elevation that a guy whose boat sailed along time ago imo. The crowd popping like that for the win kind of contradicts the "bot has sailed" comment. If youre over, youre over. And he couldve been used to create a new heel. Smackdown isnt exactly short of guys that could be elevated. Hell, you could even use Christian to finally get Kofi to world title status.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on May 6, 2011 14:51:35 GMT -5
Damn....5 minutes in and I'm already depressed.
He's crying FFS.
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Post by Snaptastic on May 6, 2011 14:55:43 GMT -5
I just watched the WHC title match. Good ending going back and forth but....
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Post by Legion on May 6, 2011 14:59:48 GMT -5
While Christian gets alot of love on the internet, the fact he got the shot in the first place simply due to sympathy seems to have escaped people. There are better, and younger, people who could do with an elevation that a guy whose boat sailed along time ago imo. The crowd popping like that for the win kind of contradicts the "bot has sailed" comment. If youre over, youre over. And he couldve been used to create a new heel. Smackdown isnt exactly short of guys that could be elevated. Hell, you could even use Christian to finally get Kofi to world title status. Note I said 'imo.' For me, and maybe it is just me, but Christian was only ever put in this position because Edge was hurt. The guy has always been a second rate Edge, from promo 'skills' that (at least in WWE) have been robotic and dull, and previously relied on others better than him to his ring skills where the guy is solid, but is nothing spectacular. His tenure doesnt earn him anything, if tenure earned people things, then surely Mark Henry should be a multi-time champ? I get that the guy is popular, heck, anyone left over from the Attitude era is, but in the long run I (note I) would prefer to see new main event spots go to younger guys getting newly elevated rather than older guys who, frankly, we've seen everything they have. I would prefer to see new people in the main event scene, by which I mean fresh, young newer guys and not a perenial mid carder who can't show me anything new. Edge's injury should have opened the door for that imo. Note again, imo.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on May 6, 2011 15:04:16 GMT -5
While Christian gets alot of love on the internet, the fact he got the shot in the first place simply due to sympathy seems to have escaped people. There are better, and younger, people who could do with an elevation that a guy whose boat sailed along time ago imo. The crowd popping like that for the win kind of contradicts the "bot has sailed" comment. If youre over, youre over. And he couldve been used to create a new heel. Smackdown isnt exactly short of guys that could be elevated. Hell, you could even use Christian to finally get Kofi to world title status. Co-signed (as per ususal). I think people miss the boat when they talk about the Youth Movement; it isn't just young guys, but new faces of all ages. Eddie Guerrero wasn't exactly a spring chicken when he won the title in 2004, and yet it was a very big deal and he was a very new face to the main event. To many, it was a long time coming. Same goes with Bradshaw, Mysterio, hell Rob Van Dam when he won it in 2006. All were in their mid-thirties when they won their first world title, and it wasn't exactly a bad thing when they did, nor were their reigns particularly forgettable or regrettable. Christian isn't exactly being held together with bubble tape and Marmite; he can go just as good, if not better than the guys they have now.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 6, 2011 15:07:13 GMT -5
[ Note I said 'imo.' For me, and maybe it is just me, but Christian was only ever put in this position because Edge was hurt. ...except the fans were behind him as soon as he returned for vengeance against Del Rio. They only played the Edge card later. You can not like the guy, but if it's your opinion he was only ever over and an important part of Smackdown because of Edge, then your opinion is wrong.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on May 6, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
The crowd popping like that for the win kind of contradicts the "bot has sailed" comment. If youre over, youre over. And he couldve been used to create a new heel. Smackdown isnt exactly short of guys that could be elevated. Hell, you could even use Christian to finally get Kofi to world title status. Note I said 'imo.' For me, and maybe it is just me, but Christian was only ever put in this position because Edge was hurt. The guy has always been a second rate Edge, from promo 'skills' that (at least in WWE) have been robotic and dull, and previously relied on others better than him to his ring skills where the guy is solid, but is nothing spectacular. His tenure doesnt earn him anything, if tenure earned people things, then surely Mark Henry should be a multi-time champ? I get that the guy is popular, heck, anyone left over from the Attitude era is, but in the long run I (note I) would prefer to see new main event spots go to younger guys getting newly elevated rather than older guys who, frankly, we've seen everything they have. I would prefer to see new people in the main event scene, by which I mean fresh, young newer guys and not a perenial mid carder who can't show me anything new. Edge's injury should have opened the door for that imo. Note again, imo. QFT. Never been a Christian fan and always thought Edge was lightyears ahead. And I'd like to add that although the crowd did pop for Christian the pop for Orton seemed louder to me. Orton is over with a lot more people, is younger and isn't just winning the title because of the sympathy card. Christian is a grand slam champion and can leave WWE knowing he's accomplished things most wrestlers don't. He didn't need a long title reign. Granted Orton doesn't either but he's much more marketable as Smackdown's champion. Also that RKO on Smackdown merits a title win on its own.
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