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Post by wrestling4ever on Feb 28, 2012 17:59:02 GMT -5
Yeah Rock wanst upset. As soon as those cameras were off, he was having a good ol time again. Shown by his post RAW promo.This thing is being set up great.
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Post by Cronant on Feb 28, 2012 18:27:18 GMT -5
Why do people find it hard to believe that the Rock was supposed to look bad last night? Cena CLEARLY came out looking like a million bucks. Is it really that hard to believe that the whole thing was by design? Yes. He DID get to mention how no one liked Cena and his act was stale. Thats not something you do if you are trying to look bad. He had his stuff, and a few years ago, it would have worked.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Feb 28, 2012 18:29:23 GMT -5
Cena is going to get Dwayne to morph into The Rock. Thats the point that I am seeing.
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Post by Cam on Feb 28, 2012 18:34:05 GMT -5
There's no "truth" in this situation. None of this is facts, just opinions.
No one knows whether Rock/Cena's promos were planned to go down like that, and all the condescension in the world doesn't make it so.
The only people who know for sure are the ones who work for WWE. And since none of us work for WWE, it's all just speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 18:39:59 GMT -5
Cena is going to get Dwayne to morph into The Rock. Thats the point that I am seeing. THIS is exactly what IMO the whole purpose of lastnight was. Whether anyone believes that bad promo was intentional or not which IMO it was is just a piece of it , lastnight was to play into the fact that right now he is dwayne and Cena called him out on it. His shilling of twitter etc is him being dwayne and Cena is gonna keep pushing that he hates dwayne and that he will kick dwaynes ass because thats who Cena is getting right now , but give it untill next monday or better yet the monday after and The Rock will emerge. Everyone is already on the fact that lastnight was not The Rock at all.
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 28, 2012 18:46:21 GMT -5
Why do people find it hard to believe that the Rock was supposed to look bad last night? Cena CLEARLY came out looking like a million bucks. Is it really that hard to believe that the whole thing was by design? Yes. He DID get to mention how no one liked Cena and his act was stale. Thats not something you do if you are trying to look bad. He had his stuff, and a few years ago, it would have worked. Come on. He still had to make it look like he was trying. After he said his piece in the first few minutes, he basically did a lot of talking, but wasn't saying anything. It was hollow and pointless. It was phony, which is exactly what Cena said when he came out. "Dwayne" was cutting that promo. "The Rock" still hasn't shown up yet.
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Post by BRV on Feb 28, 2012 18:51:35 GMT -5
Come on. He still had to make it look like he was trying. After he said his piece in the first few minutes, he basically did a lot of talking, but wasn't saying anything. It was hollow and pointless. I'm admittedly a huge Rock fan, but you just summed up almost every Rock promo from 2000 through the present in less than 100 words.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 28, 2012 19:02:44 GMT -5
It's hilarious that some people think that Rock was ''supposed'' to cut a bad promo to put Cena over. Just accept it,Rock was AWFUL last night,just like I expected.A child can come off with more imitating insults. Just accept it, you don't really know what you're talking about and are being worked. Listen to what you're saying here, it proves it: You're exactly where they WANT you to be. And that's awesome. Makes for a better dynamic. But don’t get up on a high horse over it. You’ve just been drawn into the intended story as we all were. Think about Rock; love him or hate him, he has never been --even in this feud -- that lost out there. He’s an actor; he gave a continuous 3 hour speech to induct his grandfather into the HOF without a single stutter; he’s cut hundreds of promos live in the ring with next to no issues – and suddenly he flubs now when it’s seemingly most important? You’ve taken your side, and that’s the point. But don’t fool yourself, behind the kayfabe, he gave the promo he was SUPPOSED to give. He had the notes written on his hand on purpose to make people question if Cena was really right about him. Dude’s NEVER done that before. It was part of the story. Rock was never meant to come in all barrels blazing with the real-life intent to annihilate Cena. What good would that do for the company’s overall mission to rehab Cena’s character? -- since HE will be the one left behind to carry the ball, no matter what. Hell, I got caught up in the moment too when Cena dropped the bomb, and said, “Oh f*** you, Cena.” Then I smiled and thought to myself: “brilliant.” I’m one of the Rock loyalists, firmly entrenched and unwavering. I’m where they expect people my age to be. I’m playing my role. But I see the story they’re telling and I think it’s pretty impressive. They want a 50/50 split – and just might make it happen (although not in Miami), despite what I thought was a cemented futility. And they need to, if the result of this feud is to bear the intended (and desperately needed) fruit. Putting Cena over at WrestleMania is worthless if Rock’s the overwhelming sentimental favorite. “Congrats, a perceived manufactured guy carrying a soulless era beat the best of the era everyone knew and watched, and now everyone is sad.” They have to make the detractors see Cena as equal and credible for it to truly mean anything. That said, this whole thing ends with each man respecting the other, and saying/thinking: “I was wrong about you. You are the real deal.” They hope that we will say it as well. I agree completly with all of this. Do I like where it is going? Not right now. Do I understand why they're doing it? Absolutly. They're making both sides more even, Cena is trying to get 'The Rock' out of Dwayne again and very soon, maybe even the week before, the playing field is going to be even. Steph said she wanted the Team Jacob/Team Edward feel for this fued. Bad example aside, it's working. And despite the fact I'm not the biggest fan of it, I'm glad it's getting the kind of reaction it is. Wrestling kind of needs it.
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Post by pepsitwist on Feb 28, 2012 19:10:05 GMT -5
Cena is going to get Dwayne to morph into The Rock. Thats the point that I am seeing. I agree. Given how Cena was putting emphasis on Dwayne not Rock. It makes sense to go in this direction. Dwayne, the actor, needs prompts on his wrist, The Rock doesn't.
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Post by Arrow on Feb 28, 2012 19:10:39 GMT -5
Cena is going to get Dwayne to morph into The Rock. Thats the point that I am seeing. THIS is exactly what IMO the whole purpose of lastnight was. Whether anyone believes that bad promo was intentional or not which IMO it was is just a piece of it , lastnight was to play into the fact that right now he is dwayne and Cena called him out on it. I'm not sure this is what it is. Even if they're going that route, just what exactly is it that "Dwayne" is doing that "The Rock" never did? He's busted out all the old catchphrases and everything that we've come to associate Rock with for the past decade.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 28, 2012 19:28:33 GMT -5
How many more Raw's is Rocky booked for between now and Mania? Dude, definitely needs to come up with some new material/get serious in the next few weeks or this is going to get embarrassing. He's back every week except for RAW in Philadelphia apparently. Which Raw is that?
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Post by Cam on Feb 28, 2012 19:34:49 GMT -5
He's back every week except for RAW in Philadelphia apparently. Which Raw is that? March 19th, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 19:38:00 GMT -5
This is The Rocks schedule as released by WWE.
February 27th, 2012 in Portland, Oregon.
- March 5th, 2012 in Boston, Massachusetts.
- March 12th, 2012 in Cleveland, Ohio.
- March 26th, 2012 in Atlanta, Georgia (the WrestleMania 28 go-home edition of RAW).
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Post by Haulk on Feb 28, 2012 20:21:00 GMT -5
I felt the Rock started off strong portraying Cena as a liar and he wanted to hit him at Catering with a Kung Pow Chicken. Then it devolved into kung pow over and over and more misogynistic schoolyard insults but the crowd was solidly pro Rock. Then something amazing happened, Cena came out and the boos just died. Cena successfully described Dwayne as an actor and Rock didn't respond with fists. Rock then waited for Cena to get to the ramp before the "Yeah run away" type comments like a cowardly heel. I think the segment was scripted to try and get the usual half the fans to support Cena instead of a lopsided boo fest.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 28, 2012 20:39:54 GMT -5
I felt the Rock started off strong portraying Cena as a liar and he wanted to hit him at Catering with a Kung Pow Chicken. Then it devolved into kung pow over and over and more misogynistic schoolyard insults but the crowd was solidly pro Rock. Then something amazing happened, Cena came out and the boos just died. Cena successfully described Dwayne as an actor and Rock didn't respond with fists. Rock then waited for Cena to get to the ramp before the "Yeah run away" type comments like a cowardly heel. I think the segment was scripted to try and get the usual half the fans to support Cena instead of a lopsided boo fest. Well, it didn't work, I watched it with phones, where you hear virtually everything, and all Cena got out of his lines was a screechy pop. It didn't change anything in the building. That's what WWE doesn't get, they are not going to get that particular audience to cheer Cena that way.
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Post by joebob27 on Feb 28, 2012 20:46:35 GMT -5
It's hilarious that some people think that Rock was ''supposed'' to cut a bad promo to put Cena over. Just accept it,Rock was AWFUL last night,just like I expected.A child can come off with more imitating insults. Just accept it, you don't really know what you're talking about and are being worked. Listen to what you're saying here, it proves it: You're exactly where they WANT you to be. And that's awesome. Makes for a better dynamic. But don’t get up on a high horse over it. You’ve just been drawn into the intended story as we all were. Think about Rock; love him or hate him, he has never been --even in this feud -- that lost out there. He’s an actor; he gave a continuous 3 hour speech to induct his grandfather into the HOF without a single stutter; he’s cut hundreds of promos live in the ring with next to no issues – and suddenly he flubs now when it’s seemingly most important? You’ve taken your side, and that’s the point. But don’t fool yourself, behind the kayfabe, he gave the promo he was SUPPOSED to give. He had the notes written on his hand on purpose to make people question if Cena was really right about him. Dude’s NEVER done that before. It was part of the story. Rock was never meant to come in all barrels blazing with the real-life intent to annihilate Cena. What good would that do for the company’s overall mission to rehab Cena’s character? -- since HE will be the one left behind to carry the ball, no matter what. Hell, I got caught up in the moment too when Cena dropped the bomb, and said, “Oh f*** you, Cena.” Then I smiled and thought to myself: “brilliant.” I’m one of the Rock loyalists, firmly entrenched and unwavering. I’m where they expect people my age to be. I’m playing my role. But I see the story they’re telling and I think it’s pretty impressive. They want a 50/50 split – and just might make it happen (although not in Miami), despite what I thought was a cemented futility. And they need to, if the result of this feud is to bear the intended (and desperately needed) fruit. Putting Cena over at WrestleMania is worthless if Rock’s the overwhelming sentimental favorite. “Congrats, a perceived manufactured guy carrying a soulless era beat the best of the era everyone knew and watched, and now everyone is sad.” They have to make the detractors see Cena as equal and credible for it to truly mean anything. That said, this whole thing ends with each man respecting the other, and saying/thinking: “I was wrong about you. You are the real deal.” They hope that we will say it as well. The problem is that this is what THEY want, not what the PEOPLE want, and as you can see in the building last night, they have a long uphill battle to make that happen. It's shitty booking and it's gonna backfire on them. Like I say so many times, their booking is just 100 varieties of "please root for Cena." THIS DOES NOT WORK. He should have pulled an HBK/Hogan and went heel in this feud. But still pandered to HIS audience. This stuff really isn't hard. Maybe it's where they're going, but I doubt it because they're trying real hard to make Cena sympathetic, well as sympathetic as the Doctor of Thuganomics accent can be.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Feb 28, 2012 21:32:21 GMT -5
THIS is exactly what IMO the whole purpose of lastnight was. Whether anyone believes that bad promo was intentional or not which IMO it was is just a piece of it , lastnight was to play into the fact that right now he is dwayne and Cena called him out on it. I'm not sure this is what it is. Even if they're going that route, just what exactly is it that "Dwayne" is doing that "The Rock" never did? He's busted out all the old catchphrases and everything that we've come to associate Rock with for the past decade. Look at the post above yours. Basically, Its Dwayne Johnson trying to do his best Rock impression. Cena is going to get Dwayne to morph into The Rock and actually BE the guy that he has been trying to get back in the WWE, be the guy that he loved and was a fan of.
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 28, 2012 23:33:52 GMT -5
OK just because I'm 100% against the sentiment, it's an OPINION to say that Cena's promo outdid Rock's promo (as the poll numbers also IMPLY but not PROVE as a FACT). Everyone on the IWC is already taking it as a fact that Rock had a 'bad night' last Monday, and that his promo sucked balls which in my OPINION is completely false. I actually enjoyed Rock's promo far more than Cena, and yes I'm a biased Rock fan and Cena-hater.
Now, when I think of someone destroying an opponent on the mic I think of CM Punk and Kevin Nash's promo battle. Are people really trying to say that Cena 'pipe-bombed' Rocky last night? Ha!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 29, 2012 1:05:36 GMT -5
The reason I don't buy the idea that Rock "sucked on purpose" is because he's talented enough to make himself look a lot worse than that. His work as Hollywood Rock with the Hurricane was a much more clear example of him "showing ass", as they say.
I just think the second half of his promo dragged, and eventually bombed with the TV audience (obviously not with the live crowds, as they paid to see him). During the first half, he made a very strong and effective counter against Cena's charges, so I can't say he went easy on him.
WWE does want Cena and Rock on a 50/50 dynamic, but the booking for it didn't come into play until Cena came out and cut a solid promo on his part. The wrist notes were designed to give Cena a small thing to rib on, but it obviously wasn't something intended to totally bury Rock- which WWE isn't about to do.
They've already given up on trying to endear Cena to the angry male demo and provided them with a top babyface Punk. They just wanted to fire up Cena's supporters.
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Post by machomuta on Feb 29, 2012 5:41:50 GMT -5
their booking is just 100 varieties of "please root for Cena." . No, it is not. WWE wouldnt be selling Cena sucks shirts if they wanted everyone to like him.
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