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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2012 20:47:22 GMT -5
Hogan vs Rock had about a month of build, so while in retrospect it was a huge match, at the time it didn't seem THAT huge.
The crowd reaction is what made that match what it was, turning it into a big freaking deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2012 20:56:11 GMT -5
if there was any match that SHOULD have gone on last it was Flair/Shawn
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Post by Error on Mar 18, 2012 20:59:36 GMT -5
if there was any match that SHOULD have gone on last it was Flair/Shawn Flair turned that down saying the titles were more important than him.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 18, 2012 21:30:04 GMT -5
As far as HHH contradicting himself, the guy is allowed to change his mind and WWE dvd editors will spin interviews to meet whatever Vince's aims are. If I recall correctly, the 02 HHH dvd came out after Hogan had split and rumor had it, there was heat between he and Vince. Nope, it came out June 25th, 2002 when things were still all good with Hogan. All signs point to Triple H being a liar who is trying now to cover his tracks.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 18, 2012 22:40:26 GMT -5
I remember hearing that Triple H insisted on his match being the main that year, though I have no idea if that's actually true. he's admitted to that in interviews. he's also admitted it was a big mistake.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 18, 2012 22:47:34 GMT -5
No one expected that match to have that type of reaction. I know that I didn't. All of the focus was on the HHH/Jericho/Steph thing at the time. gotta raise my hand here. I'd pretty much written Hogan off as a stale old man. the nWo angle being terrible didn't help. and as terribly one-sided as the feud was, the big push was Triple H and Jericho's match. it makes you wonder, though, what'd happen if Hogan and/or Rocky said they wanted to go last. I mean, would even Triple H be able to countermand a request like that?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Mar 19, 2012 0:00:17 GMT -5
You know all this stuff about how HBK and Undertaker should have main evented Wrestlemania 25, I don't remember a single person saying that before the event. It all came out in hindsight.
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Post by Loki-A-Go-Go! on Mar 19, 2012 0:03:34 GMT -5
The title match should always be the last match. No it shouldn't, the last match should be the match that is the biggest draw. That isn't always the title match in wrestling. I still disagree. A wrestling company should be built around it's world champion.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 19, 2012 2:20:17 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with those saying they didn't think Rock/Hogan would end up being one of the defining Mania moments. A grand total of zero people predicted the Skydome would lose their collective mind for the Hulkster. It was nothing more than a cool "dream match" that would be the big undercard attraction right up until Hogan walked out. Off topic, my absolute favorite Jim Ross line came from that match. When Hogan hits the legdrop, JR screams "HE BEAT ANDRE THE GIANT WITH THAT MOVE!" If he calls Rock/Cena, I hope we get a nice little nod to that when Rock hits the People's Elbow on Cena. I like how you call a once in a life time match as "nothing more than a cool dream match". It was easily the biggest mania match since Hogan/Andre. Hogan was always a face in WWE and he was coming back after an 8 year absence. Of course WWE fans we're going to go nuts for him. Many people predicted it, not zero.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 19, 2012 8:35:17 GMT -5
This isn't a big conspiracy or anything. Basically HHH and also Vince simply thought the world title match should close the PPV. The crowd was spent and the match itself wasn't anything great, so it died horribly. It is amusing that HHH made the same mistake 7 years later with the Orton match, when HBK/UT stole the show.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 19, 2012 9:41:10 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with those saying they didn't think Rock/Hogan would end up being one of the defining Mania moments. A grand total of zero people predicted the Skydome would lose their collective mind for the Hulkster. It was nothing more than a cool "dream match" that would be the big undercard attraction right up until Hogan walked out. Off topic, my absolute favorite Jim Ross line came from that match. When Hogan hits the legdrop, JR screams "HE BEAT ANDRE THE GIANT WITH THAT MOVE!" If he calls Rock/Cena, I hope we get a nice little nod to that when Rock hits the People's Elbow on Cena. I like how you call a once in a life time match as "nothing more than a cool dream match". It was easily the biggest mania match since Hogan/Andre. Hogan was always a face in WWE and he was coming back after an 8 year absence. Of course WWE fans we're going to go nuts for him. Many people predicted it, not zero. To be fair, it wasn't really hyped up as the biggest match ever. It had nowhere near the amount of hype videos and promos that Cena/Rock is getting. Obviously it was huge on the basis of it being Hogan stepping back into the ring, but the WWE weren't treating it as a big of a deal as some people remember. It seemed like they (rather stupidly) underestimated how it would turn out. So yes, it was essentially a "cool dream match" that people ending up going beserk over.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 20, 2012 4:21:57 GMT -5
I like how you call a once in a life time match as "nothing more than a cool dream match". It was easily the biggest mania match since Hogan/Andre. Hogan was always a face in WWE and he was coming back after an 8 year absence. Of course WWE fans we're going to go nuts for him. Many people predicted it, not zero. To be fair, it wasn't really hyped up as the biggest match ever. It had nowhere near the amount of hype videos and promos that Cena/Rock is getting. Obviously it was huge on the basis of it being Hogan stepping back into the ring, but the WWE weren't treating it as a big of a deal as some people remember. It seemed like they (rather stupidly) underestimated how it would turn out. So yes, it was essentially a "cool dream match" that people ending up going beserk over. I guess I'm one of the people that remember it differently then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 4:33:26 GMT -5
To be fair, it wasn't really hyped up as the biggest match ever. It had nowhere near the amount of hype videos and promos that Cena/Rock is getting. Obviously it was huge on the basis of it being Hogan stepping back into the ring, but the WWE weren't treating it as a big of a deal as some people remember. It seemed like they (rather stupidly) underestimated how it would turn out. So yes, it was essentially a "cool dream match" that people ending up going beserk over. I guess I'm one of the people that remember it differently then. Essentially. It wasn't really hyped that heavily, they were part of a tag match together just a few weeks beforehand, and it really only had a month of build behind it that didn't play up the nature of the encounter at all. Also, it can't be called once in a lifetime if it happened twice within the span of a year.
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Post by Rave on Mar 21, 2012 14:10:04 GMT -5
Usually I'm a proponent of the idea that the world title should be the most important prize in the company and thus be the focus of the main storyline (which WWE doesn't do much of anymore) and the PPV main, but if you've got something built up and clicking with the audience that could be something special, it's not that hard to make it a double main and give that special something the last match slot.
And why the heck they didn't expect Rock/Hogan to turn out like that is beyond me. You have THE defacto biggest name of the 80's/early 90's against one of the two biggest names of the Attitude era. Right off the bat, that's something people are going to want to see.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 21, 2012 14:13:46 GMT -5
Usually I'm a proponent of the idea that the world title should be the most important prize in the company and thus be the focus of the main storyline (which WWE doesn't do much of anymore) and the PPV main, but if you've got something built up and clicking with the audience that could be something special, it's not that hard to make it a double main and give that special something the last match slot. And why the heck they didn't expect Rock/Hogan to turn out like that is beyond me. You have THE defacto biggest name of the 80's/early 90's against one of the two biggest names of the Attitude era. Right off the bat, that's something people are going to want to see. This. From what I remember of X8 (which isn't much, admittingly), people were pretty much done after Rock/Hogan.
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Post by -Lithium- on Mar 21, 2012 17:34:18 GMT -5
Also, remember that HHH/HBK went on last at Bad Blood 2004, instead of Benoit/Kane. But I don't know if I'd compare the two. Ones WrestleMania and ones some throwaway show that pretty much ended the HHH/HBK fued for the most part...
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Post by chazraps on Mar 21, 2012 18:10:25 GMT -5
Also, remember that HHH/HBK went on last at Bad Blood 2004, instead of Benoit/Kane. But I don't know if I'd compare the two. Ones WrestleMania and ones some throwaway show that pretty much ended the HHH/HBK fued for the most part... Very true. In fact, Benoit's entire title reign played a distant 2nd fiddle to whatever Triple H was doing at that time.
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Post by agent817 on Mar 21, 2012 21:30:46 GMT -5
^^^ Regarding the last two posts, what about when Shawn Michaels vs. Hulk Hogan being the final match at Summerslam 2005? Did you guys really think that Jericho/Cena or Batista/JBL would have ended the show that night? Sure, they built it as a triple main event, but when you have two legends going at it at Summerslam, I guess it was best to end the show with the Showstopper and the Hulkster.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 21, 2012 21:40:51 GMT -5
In Kevin Nash's shoot interview with RF Videos he said the plans for WM they were told were Rocky beating Hogan but he and Hall coming out to clean house and the last thing fans see of WM were supposed to be the nWo standing over The Rock and Stone Cold (who would come out to try and save Rock), Austin was also supposed to lose to Hall earlier in the match.
Day before Mania, everything was changed because Rock, Austin, Taker, and Jericho among others complained.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 22, 2012 0:50:21 GMT -5
Is it telling that I totally forgot that Jericho/HHH closed a Wrestlemania? Yeah totally agree Hogan/Rock should've closed lol
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