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Post by Hakumental on May 24, 2012 22:02:22 GMT -5
Beautiful, but without a trace of distinction.
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Post by clashofchampains on May 24, 2012 22:57:07 GMT -5
It stems from Gail's unprofessionalism while in the E, and the fact she was pushed into a title reign instantly upon her return to TNA, imo. It has nothing to do with that. Gail was a TNA homegrown, a legend in TNA, she MADE the Knockout Division with Awesome Kong. Also every gals to that come from WWE become main eventers right away in TNA. I think she's just have been badly booked. She is just not interesting as a heel. TNA should have had Madison turn on her a long time ago. |
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Post by quirkalicious on May 25, 2012 0:12:31 GMT -5
she's an average heel. fine for a short title run, but anybody who's held the title this long - and who was given the title basically as soon as she showed up - ought to be better than average. I'm tired of seeing her basic self steamrolling over the division. they need to either freshen up her character or give the title to someone else.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 25, 2012 1:06:52 GMT -5
I personally find her one of the most over-rated Worker's in history. I just feel her wrestling skill is exaggerated beyond belief at times, and in her most recent WWE Run she was honestly worse than anything K2 was putting on. Pretty much. She can put on a good match, but she can put on some awful ones too; and she doesn't really have much in the way of charisma or anything else to speak of beyond her admittedly good ring skills. Her heyday against Kong was great, but that's as much on Kong and honestly great booking as anything else. She was only one third of the equation there. Really, seems like she's been coasting on that for years. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 25, 2012 2:19:55 GMT -5
It stems from Gail's unprofessionalism while in the E, and the fact she was pushed into a title reign instantly upon her return to TNA, imo. It has nothing to do with that. Gail was a TNA homegrown, a legend in TNA, she MADE the Knockout Division with Awesome Kong. Also every gals to that come from WWE become main eventers right away in TNA. But Winter and Mickie (who is a bigger name than Gail) took months before they won the Knockouts Title. Gail got the Knockouts Title, and Knockouts Tag Title all within a month of her return. |
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Post by kewf1988 on May 25, 2012 7:43:18 GMT -5
Maybe She was I don't know, Told to Roll out? Alright ignore her bragging about it on Twitter, from her shoot interview: webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:j1GHgndvZNIJ:www.diva-dirt.com/2011/10/13/gail-kim-live-shoot-interview-highlights-why-she-quit-wwe-and-more/&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&prmd=imvns&strip=1It's the cached version of Diva-Dirt as the main site wont load for me. She admits she did it and admits it was childish. I don't care the reasoning behind it, she pulled a bitch move. You're unhappy, take it up in the back, refuse to do the match, don't go out there and screw the fans and wrestlers in the match. According to Gail (in a interview she did right before coming back to TNA) that's exactly what she did prior to the incident. She told management that she wanted some more opportunities and pitched ideas and they'd (being Vince or Johnny Ace) say they did't have much for her to do and told her to wait it out. This went on for months until she finally asked for her release a bunch of times and they would either convince to wait a bit longer or just refuse to grant her a release. Jillian Hall had the same exact experience (according to an interview she did as well), she saw the limited shelf life of his "singer" gimmick and wanted to change her character and pitched ideas. She was told to stick it out for months as well, until she also asked for her release (several times). And surprise, they didn't grant her it. It was only until after she went to work as a trainer (which they'd say she was doing them a favor) did they finally released her. According to the interview I referenced, she didn't ask to be released or anything until after the incident on RAW (she only turned down re-signing) and it was then they asked if she wanted to be the trainer. She said she was ready to quit the day she was revealed as Bryan's girlfriend but because they had a storyline for her she stayed. |
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Post by norsisclouds on May 25, 2012 17:26:48 GMT -5
I personally find her one of the most over-rated Worker's in history. I just feel her wrestling skill is exaggerated beyond belief at times, and in her most recent WWE Run she was honestly worse than anything K2 was putting on. Pretty much. She can put on a good match, but she can put on some awful ones too; and she doesn't really have much in the way of charisma or anything else to speak of beyond her admittedly good ring skills. Her heyday against Kong was great, but that's as much on Kong and honestly great booking as anything else. She was only one third of the equation there. Really, seems like she's been coasting on that for years. I agree. Kim's always had good ring skills. She's been one of the most enjoyable women to watch in the ring since her debut in WWE in 2003--yet she still hasn't learned how to create a character or to be charismatic and connect with the audience. I really think the success of the feud with Kong was due to Kong...not Gail. I honestly believe if you had put anyone else in that spot with Gail's ring skills but added charisma and presence it would've been 10x better. It was booked excellently--in fact, I don't know if people remember but around the time that a woman's division was pitched for TNA they were even trying to sign Lita but she wasn't interested in wrestling. Could you imagine that feud had it been Lita vs Kong, or Mickie vs Kong? Anyone who had a better sense of character than Gail... I like Gail but she hasn't changed since 03--still can't connect despite being good in the ring. She was always a ghost in WWE for a reason despite their attempt to push her hard from the start during her first run. Sure, the division's booked around her now, but it's just shown (to me at least) that she's only as good of a performer in terms of character as her opponent. She can't cut promos, she's not very giving to the crowd...she's just missing that spark as a performer. Her wrestling is great though. I didn't see Gail do anything wrong or walk out of the match, She got bumped by Alicia and rolled out. I am proud of Gail for standing up for herself. Not Everyone is going to go to the office. If she didn't go to the office, she didn't stand up for herself. And she did walk out, freaking Alicia takes a bump, Gail drops down and rolls out of the ring. I gif'd it (see far left): [ {Spoiler}IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/29yiii8.gif [/IMG][/spoiler][/quote] That thread even has quotes from her Twitter where she bragged about it.[/quote] Given the way the division is booked and how shabbily the competent female wrestlers are treated as performers I don't fault Gail at all for what she did. She stood up for herself and made a public statement. If I were her I would never have come out and said I regretted it at all later, I would've told people who questioned me about it to go "f*** themselves". Her main point was that the office doesn't care and doesn't pay attention to the women, and she demonstrated that by rolling out of the ring, telling them so later, and having the agent laugh in her face about it because they didn't notice. IMO she was right and I think it's about time that a diva in the organization finally did something publicly to demonstrate against the very treatment we on the board whine about constantly. Also, everyone just assumes that the divas or Gail never went through the proper channels. She could've complained many times and felt powerless about it--as we all know wrestlers and especially divas are....only special ones like Michelle McCool, Vickie Guerrero or Trish Stratus have gotten that type of consideration in the past. A lucky few like Lita and Molly Holly were able to say "No I'm not doing that" when presented with a match they thought was degrading to them as wrestlers. That time has passed. If anything I applaud Gail for what she did I just wish she hadn't backed down and said she regretted it. People should stick up for themselves publicly with WWE, especially the women, who frequently get the short end of the stick. I mean we all know it. We all complain about it constantly. When people got mad about that it reminded me of when Lita made comments in an interview criticizing the WM 25 diva battle royal and talked about how degrading and embarrassing it was and people who said the exact same things on the forums blasted her for having an opinion. People should have some guts, especially performers. Stick by your convictions and don't back down when you get treated like crap. |
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Post by Mr Snrub on May 26, 2012 11:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by Spec_Sun on May 27, 2012 1:21:04 GMT -5
She's a billion times better in TNA than she ever was in WWE (second stint). I think people dislike her greatly because of her botches in the E, and she's never been the type of female wrestler that makes her physical features dominate element of her character. She's a beautiful lady, but a good in-ring performer first and foremost. I think that makes her boring to some people.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on May 27, 2012 3:16:11 GMT -5
Botches happen to everyone. Her botches did not bother me in the WWE (and they were numerous). The main reason she gets stick now is how she ended her second WWE run which was beyond unprofessional and could be considered contract breaking. What she did was similar to if you were a Walmart worker and took a dump in the middle of aisle 12.
Gorgeous girl, good worker, but her head is sometimes up her ass.
I've also heard that she's not the nicest person to fans outside of sanctioned events where she has to be. This is total hearsay, but I would not be surprised if its true.
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Post by clashofchampains on May 27, 2012 12:51:17 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with that. Gail was a TNA homegrown, a legend in TNA, she MADE the Knockout Division with Awesome Kong. Also every gals to that come from WWE become main eventers right away in TNA. But Winter and Mickie (who is a bigger name than Gail) took months before they won the Knockouts Title. Gail got the Knockouts Title, and Knockouts Tag Title all within a month of her return. So what she deserves it. Gail will always be a TNA homegrown to me. |
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Post by clashofchampains on May 27, 2012 12:54:59 GMT -5
Botches happen to everyone. Her botches did not bother me in the WWE (and they were numerous). The main reason she gets stick now is how she ended her second WWE run which was beyond unprofessional and could be considered contract breaking. What she did was similar to if you were a Walmart worker and took a dump in the middle of aisle 12. Gorgeous girl, good worker, but her head is sometimes up her ass. I've also heard that she's not the nicest person to fans outside of sanctioned events where she has to be. This is total hearsay, but I would not be surprised if its true. I just think wrestling in the E was killing her soul so she let herself go. Sort of like Chris Harris in TNA(wich in his case was physicaly). |
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Post by mysterydriver on May 27, 2012 15:59:23 GMT -5
She choose money over getting to show off her talent and then wanted both sides of the cake. I mean, she asked for more money from TNA who decided to spend it on Jenna Morasca instead and went with WWE to be more financially secure.
She knew what she was getting into...and then got mad that it turned out exactly as she expected. It's kind of odd in a way.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on May 27, 2012 19:57:00 GMT -5
Botches happen to everyone. Her botches did not bother me in the WWE (and they were numerous). The main reason she gets stick now is how she ended her second WWE run which was beyond unprofessional and could be considered contract breaking. What she did was similar to if you were a Walmart worker and took a dump in the middle of aisle 12. No, it's the equivilent of being so disillusioned with your job that upon being told to stack the shelves you instead just walking out with nobody noticing that you'd even left. Unprofessional maybe but she didn't hurt anyone but herself. |
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on May 28, 2012 5:48:39 GMT -5
Basically, I think it's because she came back with god-mode turned on. Within 3 weeks of returning, she'd won both Knockout titles.
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Post by ronin705 on May 28, 2012 8:21:27 GMT -5
For someone who was as phoned in as she was during her second WWE run, she hasn't done anything to "wow" me as KO Champion. Layla now using a more lucha-based offense is capturing my interests moreso than ANYTHING Gail's done. She's a solid worker don't get me wrong, but she isn't the alpha and omega most think she is for female wrestling.
Also the way she left was VERY unprofessional, cuz MVP was vexed at his usage too, and what'd he do?? He didn't change things on the fly on live TV, he pulled Ace to the side and told him the ambition he had (Japan) for his career, whereas Gail probably just whined until she took her ball home with that elimination. Even now with her current reign, her only note worthy news to the outside world, is that she married a Food Network Star.
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Post by That Mickie Fan on May 28, 2012 9:26:56 GMT -5
For someone who was as phoned in as she was during her second WWE run, she hasn't done anything to "wow" me as KO Champion. Layla now using a more lucha-based offense is capturing my interests moreso than ANYTHING Gail's done. She's a solid worker don't get me wrong, but she isn't the alpha and omega most think she is for female wrestling. Also the way she left was VERY unprofessional, cuz MVP was vexed at his usage too, and what'd he do?? He didn't change things on the fly on live TV, he pulled Ace to the side and told him the ambition he had (Japan) for his career, whereas Gail probably just whined until she took her ball home with that elimination. Even now with her current reign, her only note worthy news to the outside world, is that she married a Food Network Star. I wouldn't call what she did whining, but Getting Ace and Co's Attention... And I don't blame her cause like I said she deserved to be used properly. |
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Post by ronin705 on May 28, 2012 10:03:21 GMT -5
For someone who was as phoned in as she was during her second WWE run, she hasn't done anything to "wow" me as KO Champion. Layla now using a more lucha-based offense is capturing my interests moreso than ANYTHING Gail's done. She's a solid worker don't get me wrong, but she isn't the alpha and omega most think she is for female wrestling. Also the way she left was VERY unprofessional, cuz MVP was vexed at his usage too, and what'd he do?? He didn't change things on the fly on live TV, he pulled Ace to the side and told him the ambition he had (Japan) for his career, whereas Gail probably just whined until she took her ball home with that elimination. Even now with her current reign, her only note worthy news to the outside world, is that she married a Food Network Star. I wouldn't call what she did whining, but Getting Ace and Co's Attention... And I don't blame her cause like I said she deserved to be used properly. And I wholeheartedly agree with you with people , especially the great athletes in the women's division, deserved to be used proper. But doing what she did isn't the way to go, because not only did she not get the reaction she wanted (no one noticed, and maybe a throwaway line was done for it), but then got benched for the remainder of her contract AND the 90 (??) days you gotta wait til you can work for Impact. HHH told ODB she'd be better off in TNA, so what would make him, Vince, or Johnny uncomfortable with granting the request had she gone to them properly?? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 11:17:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't call what she did whining, but Getting Ace and Co's Attention... And I don't blame her cause like I said she deserved to be used properly. But doing what she did isn't the way to go, because not only did she not get the reaction she wanted (no one noticed, and maybe a throwaway line was done for it), but then got benched for the remainder of her contract AND the 90 (??) days you gotta wait til you can work for Impact. Gail didn't have to wait 90 days. If the contract just expires, like it did with Gail, then as soon as it does, the wrestler is immediately free to go to TNA. |
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Post by ronin705 on May 28, 2012 13:26:14 GMT -5
But doing what she did isn't the way to go, because not only did she not get the reaction she wanted (no one noticed, and maybe a throwaway line was done for it), but then got benched for the remainder of her contract AND the 90 (??) days you gotta wait til you can work for Impact. Gail didn't have to wait 90 days. If the contract just expires, like it did with Gail, then as soon as it does, the wrestler is immediately free to go to TNA. and i stand corrected lol |
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