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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Nov 3, 2011 10:42:46 GMT -5
I would love for Kelly to become really good in the ring and on the mic. I mean, wouldn't everyone? If people are going to be on my TV I want them to be worth watching. But...she just isn't good. I can overlook a wrestlers real life personality if they're talented. Frankly, Kelly always seems like a nice enough girl. I may be wrong but her 3 PPV matches with Beth have kinda been the best divas matches all year. I mean, yeah its Beth, but its not like she's done anything better than those 3 matches this year either. To act like she's on a level lower than the others doesn't really make sense. I mean the other faces who'd be in her spot are Eve and Alicia, and I don't see them doing much different. If Kelly/Beth were the best matches this year, then I weep for the women's division. I'll get the shovel. I believe it's time to bury the Divas Title. It's not worth saving anymore. This is obviously the path the WWE has chosen for them. Not even Beth and Nattie could save this division. And I don't think the WWE's in a hurry to hire more capable workers to replace McCool, Melina and Gail so we're left with two options: We live with mediocrity or we just tune out and not give a crap until things take a positive turn and God knows how long that will take. (And that's me being positive and optimistic!) P.S. Eve/Beth blew the three Kelly/Beth matches out of the water, as it has been noted here.
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Post by Cronant on Nov 3, 2011 10:44:55 GMT -5
P.S. Eve/Beth blew the three Kelly/Beth matches out of the water, as it has been noted here. Strongly disagree. That may have been better than one of those matches. May have.
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Post by PKO on Nov 3, 2011 10:51:24 GMT -5
I may be wrong but her 3 PPV matches with Beth have kinda been the best divas matches all year. I mean, yeah its Beth, but its not like she's done anything better than those 3 matches this year either. To act like she's on a level lower than the others doesn't really make sense. I mean the other faces who'd be in her spot are Eve and Alicia, and I don't see them doing much different. I thought Beth's matches with Kelly Kelly were decent at best. They only seemed good in comparison to the craptastic matches she was having with the Bellas before. The thing is, if given the chance, Beth could have a better match with any other diva on the roster that isn't named Rosa Mendes. Hell, I thought Beth's recent match with Eve was much better than any of he matches with K2. Yeah, I thought the Eve/Beth match was much better than the Kelly/Beth matches as it had a better flow (other than the spot where Eve tied Beth to the ropes) and was just overall a more believable contest. Kelly's matches would look great as highlight videos, but the majority of her moves in those matches were too choreographed; you could practically see the cogs turning in her head. There were also divas matches on Superstars at the beginning of the year that I would put ahead of Kelly vs Beth (Melina/Gail, Beth/Gail, Alicia/Natalya), but that's not to say that I thought the Kelly vs Beth matches were bad. I appreciate that Kelly put more effort into the matches but that's her at her best and given quite a lot of time (in terms of diva matches). In my eyes she's still at the bottom of the division in terms of talent as most of the divas show some spark in the 2 minute matches (which I don't think Kelly has never done) and I believe given more time all the divas (bar Rosa) could put on better matches. Especially with Beth as an opponent.
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Post by PKO on Nov 3, 2011 11:00:40 GMT -5
I may be wrong but her 3 PPV matches with Beth have kinda been the best divas matches all year. I mean, yeah its Beth, but its not like she's done anything better than those 3 matches this year either. To act like she's on a level lower than the others doesn't really make sense. I mean the other faces who'd be in her spot are Eve and Alicia, and I don't see them doing much different. If Kelly/Beth were the best matches this year, then I weep for the women's division. I'll get the shovel. I believe it's time to bury the Divas Title. It's not worth saving anymore. This is obviously the path the WWE has chosen for them. Not even Beth and Nattie could save this division. And I don't think the WWE's in a hurry to hire more capable workers to replace McCool, Melina and Gail so we're left with two options: We live with mediocrity or we just tune out and not give a crap until things take a positive turn and God knows how long that will take. (And that's me being positive and optimistic!) P.S. Eve/Beth blew the three Kelly/Beth matches out of the water, as it has been noted here. I wonder what the division would be like now if Kharma hadn't got pregnant? Thanks to Gail we know she would have been feuding with Beth, which is probably one of the ultimate Dream Matches in terms of women wrestlers. That was on the cards a few months ago but unfortunately we got The Bellas vs Kelly as a substitute. Overall though I'm optimistic. The WWE has hired more female wrestlers in the past year than they seemingly have in the past five years. They have a bunch of talented women on the roster. When Kharma gets back I think things will pick up again.
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Post by #RUDO Coco Del Rio on Nov 3, 2011 11:07:22 GMT -5
If Kelly/Beth were the best matches this year, then I weep for the women's division. I'll get the shovel. I believe it's time to bury the Divas Title. It's not worth saving anymore. This is obviously the path the WWE has chosen for them. Not even Beth and Nattie could save this division. And I don't think the WWE's in a hurry to hire more capable workers to replace McCool, Melina and Gail so we're left with two options: We live with mediocrity or we just tune out and not give a crap until things take a positive turn and God knows how long that will take. (And that's me being positive and optimistic!) P.S. Eve/Beth blew the three Kelly/Beth matches out of the water, as it has been noted here. I wonder what the division would be like now if Kharma hadn't got pregnant? Thanks to Gail we know she would have been feuding with Beth, which is probably one of the ultimate Dream Matches in terms of women wrestlers. That was on the cards a few months ago but unfortunately we got The Bellas vs Kelly as a substitute. Overall though I'm optimistic. The WWE has hired more female wrestlers in the past year than they seemingly have in the past five years. They have a bunch of talented women on the roster. When Kharma gets back I think things will pick up again. Get out, I just asked myself the same question in another forum! If Kelly, by today's standards, is considered "over" then I'd say Kharma had "John Cena pops". Fans loved Kharma and they gave a crap about her when she stood in the ring to give her "I'm pregnant" speech. Sure there was confusion from the week before (which was a terrible way to go with it) but it cleared up on that week and everything made more sense when they let her speak. I know bringing in one talented worker won't make a big difference, but... I dunno. I kinda feel different about Kharma.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 3, 2011 11:12:17 GMT -5
This thread went from Kelly Kelly being a whore, to Vince McMahon being a crazy genius, and now we're talking about the status of the Divas division.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Nov 3, 2011 11:14:22 GMT -5
Eve/Beth at Vengence was marginally better than Kelly/Beth at Hell In A Cell, which was easily the worst of the Kelly/Beth PPV matches.
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Post by PKO on Nov 3, 2011 11:19:06 GMT -5
I wonder what the division would be like now if Kharma hadn't got pregnant? Thanks to Gail we know she would have been feuding with Beth, which is probably one of the ultimate Dream Matches in terms of women wrestlers. That was on the cards a few months ago but unfortunately we got The Bellas vs Kelly as a substitute. Overall though I'm optimistic. The WWE has hired more female wrestlers in the past year than they seemingly have in the past five years. They have a bunch of talented women on the roster. When Kharma gets back I think things will pick up again. Get out, I just asked myself the same question in another forum! If Kelly, by today's standards, is considered "over" then I'd say Kharma had "John Cena pops". Fans loved Kharma and they gave a crap about her when she stood in the ring to give her "I'm pregnant" speech. Sure there was confusion from the week before (which was a terrible way to go with it) but it cleared up on that week and everything made more sense when they let her speak. I know bringing in one talented worker won't make a big difference, but... I dunno. I kinda feel different about Kharma. The fans went crazy for Kharma. I was watching a live recording yesterday of when she attacked Alicia after her match with Layla, and the whole arena is chanting "One More Time!". How many times does that happen at all, let alone for the divas?!? It makes it slightly more sad that the fans reacted so positively to something different, then when that went away they just went back to the same old ****. This thread went from Kelly Kelly being a whore, to Vince McMahon being a crazy genius, and now we're talking about the status of the Divas division. It's a recurring theme with Diva threads for them to go crazy offtopic. We haven't had any sexism rows or Melina references yet, but here's hoping!
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Post by flatsdomino on Nov 3, 2011 11:21:03 GMT -5
I've never seen so many female posters in one thread hating on someone, that's all. Not saying you aren't entitled to, by all means. But there's been so much hate (by most people here mind you) that she's now become the underdog in my eyes (my opinion only). She could become the new Misawa (and she won't) and people here would still hate on her or make sink jokes. She can't win. Nah, that's bulls***. There have been plenty of both wrestlers and divas that everyone hated on, and then they improved, and people gave them their props. HATED people too. For example, event though there seems to be some backlash against him now, but compare Miz in 2006, who was DESPISED, to Miz when he finally won the belt off Orton, and the board EXPLODED with joy as they'd been demanding it for a while. People around here (and other forums) are more fair than you give them credit for. As far as the "she's a good person and she tries and puts her heart into it" argument, I remember people expressing sentiments about the Great Khali as well, and the opposing response was one that made a lot of sense; yeah, he's apparently the nicest dude ever, but that doesn't mean I want to see him wrestle, because he's terrible. Kelly is the same. Nice girl? Maybe. That's probably why the girls in the back like her, because she's a cool person who works hard and tries. But Mick Foley expressed similar sentiments about Dan Severn in his first book, about how he was the nicest guy, and all the boys in the back respected him...but they all knew he just wasn't that good, as well. You have to be able to separate the two.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 3, 2011 11:35:03 GMT -5
Kelly definitely feels she had to prove herself to the boys
I'm going to work my butt off.
Yeah I bet she worked her butt off Her mouth worked it off?
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 3, 2011 11:57:04 GMT -5
Why did this have to degenerate into a srs debate? f*** that.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 3, 2011 12:01:24 GMT -5
This thread went from Kelly Kelly being a whore, to Vince McMahon being a crazy genius, and now we're talking about the status of the Divas division. If the thread kept going in its initial direction, it would have gotten locked pages ago.
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Post by YeahYeahYeahYeahYeah on Nov 3, 2011 12:47:22 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying all the other Divas should strive to be more like Kelly? Thats not what I said at all. Then what did you mean when you wondered why it's on Kelly to change, and not on the other Divas? I'm not trying to start anything, I'm honestly curious about what you meant, there.
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Post by trollrogue on Nov 3, 2011 13:04:02 GMT -5
Thats not what I said at all. Then what did you mean when you wondered why it's on Kelly to change, and not on the other Divas? I'm not trying to start anything, I'm honestly curious about what you meant, there. If it gets them over like Kelly, I say they should all friggin get with her robotic program IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 13:10:38 GMT -5
Well, all the others should strive to be like Kelly at least in the sense that they should all strive to become as over as her. Most talked about diva. Biggest reactions at live events. Most fans/followers on Facebook/Twitter. Maxim covers. She’s doing something right that others aren’t.
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Post by BigWill on Nov 3, 2011 13:15:37 GMT -5
Well, all the others should strive to be like Kelly at least in the sense that they should all strive to become as over as her. Most talked about diva. Biggest reactions at live events. Most fans/followers on Facebook/Twitter. Maxim covers. She’s doing something right that others aren’t. Well Kelly Kelly is over and on the Maxim cover because of her looks. That's not exactly something another diva can strive for.
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Post by Indiana Miz on Nov 3, 2011 13:25:42 GMT -5
Of course Kelly has the most followers/is the most over. Look at the other face divas on the roster.
Alicia Fox: Most people didn't even know she was a face, and her new theme isn't recognizable yet. Chickbusters: Most people in the audience don't know anything about them unless they watched NXT online. Eve: We all know about Eve
Kelly's about the only face diva left who got pushed during the Lay-Cool era. Everybody else is pretty new.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Nov 3, 2011 13:30:04 GMT -5
The Great Gail Kim did say the divas are held back and their move sets have been severely limited in that shoot interview. She also said that the girls in the back were all happy for Kelly...because she deserved it [citation needed]Diva-Dirt's Twitter was the citation for this. I can't recall if the "because she deserved it" was quoted in the tweet, but the fact the locker room was happy for her was.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 3, 2011 14:09:57 GMT -5
Ive been as critical as anyone about Kelly's ring work. I still think she's sub par (but she's trying, I gve her that)
That said, some of the hate from people here is just disturbing
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Post by Joe Galt on Nov 3, 2011 14:11:19 GMT -5
DAMMIT! YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, DAMMIT! MOVE THOSE HIPS RIGHT, DAMMIT!
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