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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 10, 2011 22:10:35 GMT -5
His match quality has improved tremendously since his move to Smackdown earlier this year.
And by "improved", I mean it's no longer mind-numbingly boring. I'd still rather watch, say, Tyson Kidd, and I'm not even a Tyson Kidd fan.
In fact, Tyson Kidd is a good comparison, because they've both gone through stupid haircuts and neither of them can cut a promo to save their lives.
I think Randy would do a solid job wrestling Trent Baretta on Superstars every week.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 10, 2011 22:33:27 GMT -5
I'm kind of torn between Orton. Lately he's been capable of some awesome wrestling matches, but his character just doesn't come across to me as a babyface no matter how many wacky split jumps he does or how many times he sticks his tongue out.
Far prefer him over Cena though.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Nov 11, 2011 0:06:52 GMT -5
Didn't like him when I came here, don't like him now, can't see liking him in the future.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 11, 2011 0:14:42 GMT -5
He's boring, overrated, meh in the ring, crap on the mic and goes over wrestlers when obviously it isn't needed. I especially hate how they gave him the world title just two days after Christian won it. ORTON? MORE LIKE BORETON I lol'd. ;D
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Post by jadison on Nov 11, 2011 0:22:38 GMT -5
Orton is phenomenal in my book. I would not have said this last year, but 2011 has truly been the Age of Orton he used to drone on about. I still think his promos suck, but in the ring he more than makes up for it. Body language is one of the most underrated traits in wrestling, and Orton excels at it. That's where his charisma comes from, and thats why the fans are drawn to him.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Nov 11, 2011 0:31:20 GMT -5
His match quality has improved tremendously since his move to Smackdown earlier this year. And by "improved", I mean it's no longer mind-numbingly boring. I'd still rather watch, say, Tyson Kidd, and I'm not even a Tyson Kidd fan. In fact, Tyson Kidd is a good comparison, because they've both gone through stupid haircuts and neither of them can cut a promo to save their lives. I think Randy would do a solid job wrestling Trent Baretta on Superstars every week. says a poster who has Sheamus in his sig, who is quite frankly awful in the ring, and has never had 1/10th as good a match as Randy Orton has had with Christian, COdy Rhodes, even Mark Henry this year. Sheamus and WADE BARRETT are the two most overrated wrestlers of all time I swear.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Nov 11, 2011 0:34:37 GMT -5
Orton is phenomenal in my book. I would not have said this last year, but 2011 has truly been the Age of Orton he used to drone on about. I still think his promos suck, but in the ring he more than makes up for it. Body language is one of the most underrated traits in wrestling, and Orton excels at it. That's where his charisma comes from, and thats why the fans are drawn to him. you are all sayign how his promos are terrible and whatnot but has anyone noticed that he has hardly cut any promos since going to Smackdown? Compare with the likes of Cena, Miz, Truth, Punk, Alberto, and all the other upper card people on Raw and we hear relativley little from Orton. It makes sense because he's supposed to be an enigmatic character. And you're right - as far as being believable - Orton oozes the character he portrays out of every pore.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 11, 2011 0:58:16 GMT -5
I like him a lot actually. I want to see him take down Henry now. ...Yes really.
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Post by woowoowoox on Nov 11, 2011 1:06:36 GMT -5
Gimmick wise he hasn't been as boring since the start of the year, and since 'Mania 27 he's been having great matches night in night out. I often forget about him when fantasy booking due to him really not being the number one face albeit, but that's not his fault, the company not having many upper midcarders who can stand in the main event (kayfabe wise) is the issue there. Cena tends to face all the main guys, Randy gets the layer just under. I have a soft spot for him given how insanely brilliant he was during his Legend Killer run, the best bit about One Night Stand 2 was Orton wandering out legitimately not giving a crap about anyone talking to him in the aisle. Plus he's over like all Hell, whether he loses viewers or whatever (I don't really care about anyone's viewing experience but mine) doesn't matter to me, when he comes out he gets massive pops. Live fans love him, and I imagine at 'Mania 28 (my next WWE show) I'll be cheering for him too. Match wise: 8/10 Gimmick wise: 6/10 (neither boring, nor brilliant, but not as boring as it was a year ago at all) Overness: 8/10 Pretty much this.
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Post by Germansuplex on Nov 11, 2011 2:00:20 GMT -5
I always liked him, but this year he's become one of WWE's greatest assets.
His promos are not all that hot, but that would be the reason he barely cuts them anymore. Giving backstage interviews and RKOing people is his way of expressing his gimmick, so I'm fine with it.
I've also come to really like him as a face. If he's not smiling or doing starjumps, he comes across as a badass antihero face, which works fine for me. He's the Batman to Cena's Superman.
Wrestling-wise he's pound for pound simply the best WWE has got. Athleticism, psychology, technique, selling, body language, mannerisms...it's all there. He also doesn't do restholds anymore, folks. Watch his matches instead of making those old "Resthold Randy" jokes.
The amount of dislike Orton gets around these parts is truly baffling to me. So he won his feuds with IWC darlings Punk and Christian, what's the big deal? As a heel, Orton got his ass kicked on a weekly basis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 3:13:48 GMT -5
I think he's a great talent that has evolved, as it were, well over the years. He has a very distinct identity and fantastic mannerisms. Randy can put on great matches. However, he's been pushed incredibly strong and given time to develop into what he is currently and I think that if others were given such direction (like the Wade Barrets of the world) they could succeed just as well as he has. As it is, he's one of the few real stars that WWE has successfully made in the last decade or so.
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Post by kerda on Nov 11, 2011 3:15:21 GMT -5
I was just thinking as I watched Smackdown this past week that, as much as I love CM Punk and am happy to finally see him at the top of the card and treated like a true main event player, Randy Orton is hands down the wrestler of the year.
A year or two ago I was completely indifferent to him. Horrible, William Shatner-esque promos, slow "methodical" (read: dull) matches, being incessantly pushed for no reason other than Vince's obvious hard-on for the guy.
But this year, since getting moved to Smackdown and really getting time to develop as a face/tweener, it's like everything finally clicked.
He infrequently cuts promos, and when he does, they're short, sweet and to the point. Randy has amazing physical presence and mannerism, and they've been smart to let his character "show" instead of "tell".
He's a face that's a face simply because the fans love him. He's still a psychotic, manipulative, vicious hunter, but people like that. He doesn't pander, doesn't kiss babies or cut snarky promos. He just comes to the ring, snaps necks and saunters off into the sunset like a badass. Guys love him because he carries himself like an outlaw, and girls love him because he looks like an underwear model.
And most importantly, his match quality has been off the charts. The guy is just an athletic beast, and I would argue that not even the Bryan Danielson's of the world can move around the ring with the sort of preternatural speed and fluidity that Randy does. He knows how to sell and make things look like they hurt, even when he's facing midcard guys and doesn't have to give anywhere near as much as he does. And most importantly, he knows how to tell a story, and make every last motion deliberate and logical within the context of the narrative.
I was the first guy to trash Randy during his hideous "Age of Orton" reigns of terror in years past, but my god, the guy has kicked it into another gear and is just in beast mode week in and week out. The best thing about Smackdown recently has been knowing that you're going to get a lengthy, athletic Orton match of damn fine quality every week.
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Post by The Sam on Nov 11, 2011 5:06:38 GMT -5
I like 'im.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 11, 2011 5:48:21 GMT -5
His match quality has improved tremendously since his move to Smackdown earlier this year. And by "improved", I mean it's no longer mind-numbingly boring. I'd still rather watch, say, Tyson Kidd, and I'm not even a Tyson Kidd fan. In fact, Tyson Kidd is a good comparison, because they've both gone through stupid haircuts and neither of them can cut a promo to save their lives. I think Randy would do a solid job wrestling Trent Baretta on Superstars every week. says a poster who has Sheamus in his sig, who is quite frankly awful in the ring, and has never had 1/10th as good a match as Randy Orton has had with Christian, COdy Rhodes, even Mark Henry this year. Sheamus and WADE BARRETT are the two most overrated wrestlers of all time I swear. That's how you make a convincing argument around here, folks. Trash the person the other guy likes instead of offering any insight on the topic at hand.
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Post by bathory on Nov 11, 2011 6:17:12 GMT -5
I am nor a Orton fan nor hater, I think his in ring work has picked up recently. I think he is still overrated though, just based on the ratings. He is a 10 time world champion and gets less people to tune in than a one time world champion.
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Post by PTBartman on Nov 11, 2011 9:04:05 GMT -5
Orton is phenomenal in my book. I would not have said this last year, but 2011 has truly been the Age of Orton he used to drone on about. I still think his promos suck, but in the ring he more than makes up for it. Body language is one of the most underrated traits in wrestling, and Orton excels at it. That's where his charisma comes from, and thats why the fans are drawn to him. you are all sayign how his promos are terrible and whatnot but has anyone noticed that he has hardly cut any promos since going to Smackdown? Compare with the likes of Cena, Miz, Truth, Punk, Alberto, and all the other upper card people on Raw and we hear relativley little from Orton. It makes sense because he's supposed to be an enigmatic character. And you're right - as far as being believable - Orton oozes the character he portrays out of every pore. I thought his post walk out promo was gold "...Im'n not a joiner. I don't really play well with others..." Seriously I really liked that. He didn't kiss up to the wwe or the fans. In fact he made standing with the company a totally selfish act.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 11, 2011 9:09:22 GMT -5
He's a guy who can have damn good matches with great opponents, but has horrible matches with guys he has to carry. He's just not a guy who can carry people.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Nov 11, 2011 9:14:53 GMT -5
He bores me
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 11, 2011 9:23:44 GMT -5
I haven't cared about the guy one way or the other since Evolution ended, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Post by agent817 on Nov 11, 2011 9:33:18 GMT -5
Orton, for me, has been a roller coaster. WHen he started he was 9 shades of generic (the blue chipper with the overdrive as a finisher) who I had issues with because of his well-known conviction for desertion. I started to see improvement in him with Evolution, but the face turn was painfully bad. The McMahon feud started off with big promise for both him and the rest of Legacy but derailed into meh. Then he got white hot, and I though ok, this could be his time, but he's lost something to where the "crazy Randy" part is cartoonish and mixing it with standard babyface mannerisms has hurt. "Smilin' Randy, the Happiest Sociopath You'll Ever Meet" just seems so....awkward. I can agree with this entirely. His whole "dark and cold" persona worked better when he was a heel, especially if you remember when he RKOed Stephanie McMahon. I can understand if he was an anti-hero like face, like how Steve Austin was, same with The Rock (Come on, any other person who is cocky would be booed, unless he was as charismatic as The Rock). I can't get over his creepy tongue-out-his-mouth facial expression that he had at Money in the Bank. It wasn't even really him I didn't like, as much as his invulnerability. I don't like anyone who can't lose. Wrestlers who don't lose I say are either (a) using cheat codes, or (b) acting like Silver Skeeters. I marked for that Silver Skeeter reference, honestly.
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