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Post by Evilution E5150 on Apr 12, 2012 3:47:43 GMT -5
how did this become a KISS bashing thread?
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Post by willywonka666 on Apr 12, 2012 6:57:04 GMT -5
Maybe the Hall should close after awhile and stop inducting people. The first few years were the most important.
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Post by Juice on Apr 12, 2012 9:40:49 GMT -5
I normally like Eddie, but I feel he's incredibly off-base with KISS. His main argument is always that they should have new makeup. I agree to an extent, but the guys (Gene and Paul) are in their 60's, is this really time for a reinvention? This isn't the 80's anymore, KISS isn't a band so much as they are a staple of pop culture, they're not going to f*** with that. And going off the title, I'm going to assume he has a problem with them appearing on DWTS. You know what? Too bad, so sad, I'm sure KISS isn't losing sleep because Eddie Trunk doesn't approve. He needs to realize that these aren't the hell-raising, scary guys they were seen as in the 70's, this is the 60 years old version of KISS, and if they want to go on a show like DWTS what does it matter? If Eddie Trunk had it his way, all of the members of KISS would still be together, they'd never play TV shows or release any experimental albums, and they'd be playing clubs just to "keep it real". Trunk needs to get over it already. He wants all these old bands to keep it 100% Rock and Roll like they're 20 years old again, he doesn't like Steven Tyler on AI either, too bad dude. Kiss has always and will always be pandering sell outs. Dancing with the stars? No worse than American Idol a few years ago. Or signing exclusive to wal mart etc...Like they are very open about how they would do anything to make money and shit. It's more part of the fun of Kiss now, like what goofy thing are those guys gonna do next? |
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Post by Orange on Apr 12, 2012 9:54:56 GMT -5
I normally like Eddie, but I feel he's incredibly off-base with KISS. His main argument is always that they should have new makeup. I agree to an extent, but the guys (Gene and Paul) are in their 60's, is this really time for a reinvention? This isn't the 80's anymore, KISS isn't a band so much as they are a staple of pop culture, they're not going to f*** with that. And going off the title, I'm going to assume he has a problem with them appearing on DWTS. You know what? Too bad, so sad, I'm sure KISS isn't losing sleep because Eddie Trunk doesn't approve. He needs to realize that these aren't the hell-raising, scary guys they were seen as in the 70's, this is the 60 years old version of KISS, and if they want to go on a show like DWTS what does it matter? If Eddie Trunk had it his way, all of the members of KISS would still be together, they'd never play TV shows or release any experimental albums, and they'd be playing clubs just to "keep it real". Trunk needs to get over it already. He wants all these old bands to keep it 100% Rock and Roll like they're 20 years old again, he doesn't like Steven Tyler on AI either, too bad dude. Kiss has always and will always be pandering sell outs. Dancing with the stars? No worse than American Idol a few years ago. Or signing exclusive to wal mart etc...Like they are very open about how they would do anything to make money and s***. It's more part of the fun of Kiss now, like what goofy thing are those guys gonna do next? Way I see it is, if I have a chance to play on national TV, while I'm in my 60s and still relevant, I'm going to do it. Yeah, it's DWTS, but who gives a s***? The shows over and done with, and I'm sure the people that were there to see it live didn't care and I'm sure they had a good time. I think guys like Eddie Trunk want to live vicariously through their idols, and want them to stay hardcore and committed to the game even when they're in their 60s, but you know what? People grow up, it's how things work. Steven Tyler has a gig on American Idol and he gets watched by millions of people every week, which opens people up to Aerosmith, which makes them relevant again after they were all having a bitchfit with each other - at the end of the day it's all about exposure and these guys have it down to a science. So Eddie Trunk can complain all he wants about Steven Tyler judging on AI, or KISS going on DWTS, and anything and everything in between - these guys are getting their money and I'm sure Trunk's opinion doesn't phase them one bit. Also, it doesn't bother me one bit that KISS is going on TV to play, I love seeing them perform, I don't care if it's on DWTS or if it's a public access show in some dude's basement. I've loved KISS all my life, and they're getting to the point where I'm sure they're going to retire soon, they're not going to be around forever. So while guys like Trunk complain and bitch and moan, I'm soaking it up - I love watching them on anything they show up on because I'm a fan of the band - it's what fans are supposed to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 11:46:30 GMT -5
I was honestly surprised that he declined, but the HoF is kinda lame anyway.
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Post by That Mickie Fan on Apr 12, 2012 11:55:16 GMT -5
F*** KISS. They made a f***ing disco song for christ sakes who the hell are they to talk! Simmons has always been and always will be a corporate whore who whores himself out at every opportunity. Be it an embarrassing reality show or their embarrassing bulls*** merchandise.His opinion is that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is s***ty, but he won't decline the offer cause he knows there's a paycheck. No integrity or class. I bet he'd eat dog s*** on TV for a paycheck. I had to facepalm at this part. Gene isn't as much of a corporate whore as he is a smart businessman, I mean, The Beatles had their share of Merchandise, Why not KISS? |
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Post by Orange on Apr 12, 2012 12:20:47 GMT -5
I actually think Run D.M.C. is as Rock and Roll and has as much of a right to be there as anyone. As does Madonna. Rock and Roll is a general term. If you're not gonna let artists in who aren't technically "Rock and Roll", then that means anyone who was ever in Motown can't be in the Hall of Fame. All the blues Pioneers can't be in the Hall of Fame. There isn't a damn thing wrong with Pop Acts, Blues Singers, R&B Singers, and yes Rappers being in the Hall of Fame. Yep. This is spot on. Rock & Roll is very general and broad, and it's silly to think otherwise.  It's not silly to think otherwise, Rock and Roll is pretty set in stone. If you want a general, broad music term, look at Pop - it's name means Popular. Sorry, but I can't say that Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Madonna, ABBA, and Run DMC are all Rock and Roll. Especially considering that the latter three never considered themselves Rock, and I'm sure they don't today so why should I? |
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Post by Orange on Apr 12, 2012 12:24:31 GMT -5
F*** KISS. They made a f***ing disco song for christ sakes who the hell are they to talk! Simmons has always been and always will be a corporate whore who whores himself out at every opportunity. Be it an embarrassing reality show or their embarrassing bulls*** merchandise.His opinion is that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is s***ty, but he won't decline the offer cause he knows there's a paycheck. No integrity or class. I bet he'd eat dog s*** on TV for a paycheck. I had to facepalm at this part. Gene isn't as much of a corporate whore as he is a smart businessman, I mean, The Beatles had their share of Merchandise, Why not KISS? Some do have a problem with music bands having merchandise, they're entitled to that opinion, but I heavily disagree. I love when bands put out merchandise, and I wish more would. I know a lot of people think KISS' merchandise is ridiculous (which it can be with items like the casket and urn), but as a fan I like having merchandise, it's just cool to me. I think some bands feel that you're only in it for the money if you merchandise, or they take themselves so seriously that merchandise is a no go. Which is their right, but all merchandise is a way for bands to make more money and for fans to have more cool stuff - if some don't it's really their loss. That's just how I view it, some will disagree, but I like band merchandise past your typical T-shirts and the occasional wristband. |
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Post by Orange on Apr 12, 2012 12:53:37 GMT -5
It's not silly to think otherwise, Rock and Roll is pretty set in stone. If you want a general, broad music term, look at Pop - it's name means Popular. Sorry, but I can't say that Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Madonna, ABBA, and Run DMC are all Rock and Roll. Especially considering that the latter three never considered themselves Rock, and I'm sure they don't today so why should I? If you lay the foundation or have a significant impact on rock music, how can you not be considered a part of its history? If you're referring to Berry and Holly I do consider them Rock, I worded that kind of weird. What I meant was, I have a hard time calling Rock, Pop, Disco, and Rap artists all Rock and Roll. I just think, if we're going to use Rock and Roll as a catch-all term, then why have separate genre names? Just call everything released from here on out Rock and Roll. My main point is, under any other circumstance, if somebody came to you and said that Run DMC and Madonna were Rock and Roll, you'd call them crazy. But the Hall feels it's okay to call them Rock so long as they released music, it's asinine. |
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 12, 2012 13:06:15 GMT -5
Rock began as an amalgamation of many different music styles and has continued to evolve, encompassing hundreds of sub genres, many of which sound absolutely nothing alike. Music isn't a finite art form, it's forever evolving and forever changing based on what's going on at the time, what technology is available, and whatever musicians feel like doing. Pop music is related to rock, just like punk is related and industrial is related and beat is related. You'd never mistake Beach Boys, Nirvana, and London after Midnight for each other, but the style of music they all did fall under the broad umbrella of rock music.
The notion that rock is set in stone is simply wrong, there are no finite boundaries to it, It's a very vague descriptor that is determined solely and entirely based on the whims of people who want to declare whether certain acts apply or not.
Fact is, when you start defining certain performers as rock acts, the type of music that they encompassed and the types of musics that shot from that all have to at least be taken into consideration. As James Brown was an inaugural member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, if he is to be considered a legit Rock and Roll artist, you have to consider funk and all of it's offshoots under the Rock and Roll umbrella. Funk is a core genre that grew into many other styles that people protest, including Hip Hop and Disco.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Apr 12, 2012 13:30:29 GMT -5
i support axl's decision, it would have been a mega mega odd night for him and others anyway, Izzy has zero plans of showing up, and Slash apparently wanted Myles to sing with him Duff and Matt at the hall of fame anyway. plus with Steven starting shit then apologizing to bumblefoot then just turning around and calling the current band "talentless retards" i dont blame Axl for choosing not to go. way i see it, Axl nor Izzy want anything to do with the hall of fame right now and i dont blame them one bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 13:43:50 GMT -5
The one part I agree with Orange on... Just rename it the Music Hall of Fame to stop all the whining. Although, that may open the floodgates ("It ain't legit till Beethoven is in it!") Pop Music HOF it is then! ...but then some would take exception to some heavy bands being called "Pop". Ugh, forget it. This is what I've been saying for years, even though "pop" is considered a genre now, it's only short for "popular music." Rename it the American Popular Music Hall of Fame, as that's essentially what it all boils down to. I doubt any of these artists would object to being called "popular." |
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Apr 12, 2012 13:44:54 GMT -5
Rock began as an amalgamation of many different music styles and has continued to evolve, encompassing hundreds of sub genres, many of which sound absolutely nothing alike. Music isn't a finite art form, it's forever evolving and forever changing based on what's going on at the time, what technology is available, and whatever musicians feel like doing. Pop music is related to rock, just like punk is related and industrial is related and beat is related. You'd never mistake Beach Boys, Nirvana, and London after Midnight for each other, but the style of music they all did fall under the broad umbrella of rock music. The notion that rock is set in stone is simply wrong, there are no finite boundaries to it, It's a very vague descriptor that is determined solely and entirely based on the whims of people who want to declare whether certain acts apply or not. Fact is, when you start defining certain performers as rock acts, the type of music that they encompassed and the types of musics that shot from that all have to at least be taken into consideration. As James Brown was an inaugural member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, if he is to be considered a legit Rock and Roll artist, you have to consider funk and all of it's offshoots under the Rock and Roll umbrella. Funk is a core genre that grew into many other styles that people protest, including Hip Hop and Disco. Thank you for saying what needed to be said. |
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Post by Juice on Apr 12, 2012 13:49:59 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of axl, not a fan of GNR. I like a few hits, but that's it. I kinda prefer Velvet Revolver when it comes to slash anyway. I know I am in the minority. This is just a kind of moment that could really hit the reset button on the last 20 years. Imagine if they played it off like Axl wasn't coming then they could be performing Civil War and Axl appears from behind the stage singing. people would mark the f*** out. But Axl is a douche to the max and in many ways so are everyone ever played in the line up of GNR....
Also again I am not knocking your love of Kiss I love Kiss, but as a fan you can admit that the merchandise can be beyond ridiculous. They are pandering sell outs who will make a buck off of anything. I had the psycho circus action figures and they were cool, but does a band really need these things if they weren't just trying to leech as much from the fans as possible? again it's part of their charm and a reason to enjoy them even more.
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Post by Orange on Apr 12, 2012 13:55:18 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of axl, not a fan of GNR. I like a few hits, but that's it. I kinda prefer Velvet Revolver when it comes to slash anyway. I know I am in the minority. This is just a kind of moment that could really hit the reset button on the last 20 years. Imagine if they played it off like Axl wasn't coming then they could be performing Civil War and Axl appears from behind the stage singing. people would mark the f*** out. But Axl is a douche to the max and in many ways so are everyone ever played in the line up of GNR.... Also again I am not knocking your love of Kiss I love Kiss, but as a fan you can admit that the merchandise can be beyond ridiculous. They are pandering sell outs who will make a buck off of anything. I had the psycho circus action figures and they were cool, but does a band really need these things if they weren't just trying to leech as much from the fans as possible? again it's part of their charm and a reason to enjoy them even more. Absolutely the merchandise can be ridiculous, but whatever I can buy I do, I'm weak  I had most of their action figures as well, they were awesome to have as a kid - maybe they're a bit silly now from an adult perspective, but I still they it's cool. I'd like to see more bands do stuff like that, The Beatles, KISS, and Elvis are the only three bands (or entertainers) I can think of that merchandise out the ass. Of course, I'm not sure that there are many people begging for Black Keys action figures, but it never hurts to try right? ;D Which brings me to my next point, the McFarlane action figures that KISS, Crue, Metallica, etc. have are fantastic - couple that with their sports figures, and they know how to make a good product. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 12, 2012 15:16:57 GMT -5
Axl is going in whether he likes it or not and it will probably just be downplayed at the HOF Induction.
On a side note I was actually thinking of watching the HOF this year as Guns N' Roses are my second favorite band ever. I haven't watched the HOF ceremony for probably a decade and will now probably skip this year and just track down a clip of whatever performance(s) they have featuring GN'R members.
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Apr 12, 2012 15:41:52 GMT -5
The one part I agree with Orange on... Just rename it the Music Hall of Fame to stop all the whining. Although, that may open the floodgates ("It ain't legit till Beethoven is in it!") Pop Music HOF it is then! ...but then some would take exception to some heavy bands being called "Pop". Ugh, forget it. This is what I've been saying for years, even though "pop" is considered a genre now, it's only short for "popular music." Rename it the American Popular Music Hall of Fame, as that's essentially what it all boils down to. I doubt any of these artists would object to being called "popular." What about non American artists then? |
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Apr 12, 2012 15:48:18 GMT -5
This is what I've been saying for years, even though "pop" is considered a genre now, it's only short for "popular music." Rename it the American Popular Music Hall of Fame, as that's essentially what it all boils down to. I doubt any of these artists would object to being called "popular." What about non American artists then? Funny thing is there's a U.K. Music Hall of Fame, and a lot of their inductees are American or were from outside the U.K. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Apr 12, 2012 16:14:35 GMT -5
Yet if the famous GNR lineup were to reunite by some miracle, the same fans that were begging for a reunion for years would say "they're just not the same" and express disappointment because they aren't playing at their prime.
Just let it go. Treasure what they gave and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 17:39:00 GMT -5
As the youngster I must ask....what exactly is the beef between axl and slash?
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