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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:31:16 GMT -5
Yes, Cena's promo was so spot-on about Punk's ego issues when WWE booking is the reason why Punk took a backseat in spite of his popularity. Gosh, I hate worked shoots. They're so f***ing terrible. This, basically. Punk had NO reason to take a backseat to Cena feuding with Kane, or Cena feuding with Show, or Cena feuding with Ace, or the MITB match. Instead of this being based on a tweener Punk pointing out that he deserves a chance to show that he can be the guy, he's a whiny heel while always face Cena is right. And I'm tired of everyone having to be a heel to cater to Cena, it's frustrating...especially after they finally figured it out last year with Punk. Exactly. They had a CM Punk who was outpopping Cena on a nightly basis, so what did they do? Paired him up with Triple H to make him look like a tool and turned him into a backseat nobody. I can't stand face CM Punk but when he gets over by his own ability and he's putting on great main events, what on earth is the possible benefit of tearing him down? What, just to make John Cena look good again? Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc. were all main eventers for shorter spans of time than Cena's been. THOSE GUYS. Seriously, why does Cena have to still be the focus of the show? Why does it have to be about him again? It's utterly pointless. |
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Post by The Portable Stove on Aug 20, 2012 22:31:21 GMT -5
Yknow, this is opening my mind. Before I was on Team Vader. But now I'm like, maybe Luke's goals are more admirable than Darth Vader's. I don't buy that for a second. Vader just wants to be noticed by Obi-Wan. But now the old man doesn't give him any respect at all! And no, him being dead isn't an excuse. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 20, 2012 22:31:43 GMT -5
Most of the board also thought HHH was going over Lesnar. And it seemed a majority saw Cena going over Rock |
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2012 22:31:43 GMT -5
That's something that almost everybody has to go through. Punk busted his ass for 9 months? Cena busted his ass for two years after entering the main event before becoming the undisputed top guy. Before 2007, HHH, HBK, Batista, Undertaker, and Hogan were all more important than him. And yet he never bitched and whined about lacking respect. But at no point did anybody call what Cena was doing worthless. That's what Cena did tonight. He completely buried Punk's reign as champion, making the past 9 months seem like they didn't matter. When did he call it worthless? |
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Post by Some Guy on Aug 20, 2012 22:32:06 GMT -5
The problem is that Punk still has a point. He's busted his ass for 9 months and he's exactly where he was when his reign started: below the "really important" people. That's something that almost everybody has to go through. Punk busted his ass for 9 months? Cena busted his ass for two years after entering the main event before becoming the undisputed top guy. Before 2007, HHH, HBK, Batista, Undertaker, and Hogan were all more important than him. And yet he never bitched and whined about lacking respect. This isn't Punk's first reign, he was a champ in 2008 and 2009 and 2011 before this reign. This is supposed to be his star making reign, but instead he's taking a backseat to Cena. Cena STILL main evented multiple PPVs in his first reign of all things, and then main evented EVERY PPV once he got it back from Edge. Punk hasn't gotten a chance to main event one, ONE, this entire year through EIGHT PPVs. It's a load of shit, and I'm totally on Punk's side here. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 20, 2012 22:32:38 GMT -5
He's only "right back where he started" if you support his opinion that he, and he alone, should be the face of the company by providence. Not because it's the WWE Champion not main eventing, but because CM Punk is the WWE Champion and not main eventing. It's more about spotlighting himself than bringing any honor to the belt. And Cena basically popped his little bubble, without burying him or painting him as inferior. He basically told Punk, in a nutshell, "shut up and wrestle". By that same token though you can say for the past year that Cena HAS been the top face by providence, getting main events when he's not been champion just because he's John Cena. Punk's right there. His character may be whiny about it, but he's not wrong. |
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 20, 2012 22:33:19 GMT -5
He's only "right back where he started" if you support his opinion that he, and he alone, should be the face of the company by providence. Not because it's the WWE Champion not main eventing, but because CM Punk is the WWE Champion and not main eventing. It's more about spotlighting himself than bringing any honor to the belt. And Cena basically popped his little bubble, without burying him or painting him as inferior. He basically told Punk, in a nutshell, "shut up and wrestle". Punk has been shutting up and wrestling for 9 months now and it ain't got him jack shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 22:33:23 GMT -5
Most of the board also thought HHH was going over Lesnar. Okay, here's a deal: If CM Punk beats John Cena clean at Night of Champions, I will cease posting on this forum forever. |
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Post by comahan on Aug 20, 2012 22:34:06 GMT -5
Cena's half was good but I still don't get how Punk saying and doing what made him face a little over a year ago is now somehow making him a heel and it seems 3/4 the audience feels the same. Punk was the underdog then. Now, no matter where hes at on the card, he's dominant. Him coming out and saying what he's saying would be like Sheamus coming out and calling himself an underdog. It just doesnt make that much sense, and comes off as the rich wanting to be richer, rather than the oppressed rising up to take what they feel belongs to them. Punk is no longer the underdog, hes a dynasty! He has become the New York Yankees St Louis Cardinals. At least thats my view on why he isnt getting as much backing now as he was before. |
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2012 22:34:09 GMT -5
Hogan, Austin, Rock, etc. were all main eventers for shorter spans of time than Cena's been. THOSE GUYS. That's because Austin and Rock were gone pretty quickly. Hogan was the main event of WWF for about 8 years. And then became the main event of WCW for, what, another 6? |
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 20, 2012 22:34:31 GMT -5
I think the interesting subtext/text with this feud is the fact that Cena has been a fighting champion, a guy who's given 100%, and he still gets crapped on by the people. Yet he's never come out and complained about it or demanded that people cheer him.
I think that's why he's the only who could have made that speech because he has been in the position of not getting deserved regard when he's done so much. But he hasn't let it define him or let it dictate who is. I wouldn't surprise me Cena ends up asking if Punk is asking for all this respect and confirmation of being the best in the world is really to convince himself.
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Post by Snaptastic on Aug 20, 2012 22:35:19 GMT -5
He's only "right back where he started" if you support his opinion that he, and he alone, should be the face of the company by providence. Not because it's the WWE Champion not main eventing, but because CM Punk is the WWE Champion and not main eventing. It's more about spotlighting himself than bringing any honor to the belt. And Cena basically popped his little bubble, without burying him or painting him as inferior. He basically told Punk, in a nutshell, "shut up and wrestle". Punk has been shutting up and wrestling for 9 months now and it ain't got him jack s***. To bring RL into it a second. Weren't Punk's segments tanking in the ratings for a long while? |
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Post by zeez on Aug 20, 2012 22:35:25 GMT -5
The problem is that Punk still has a point. He's busted his ass for 9 months and he's exactly where he was when his reign started: below the "really important" people. That's something that almost everybody has to go through. Punk busted his ass for 9 months? Cena busted his ass for two years after entering the main event before becoming the undisputed top guy. Before 2007, HHH, HBK, Batista, Undertaker, and Hogan were all more important than him. And yet he never bitched and whined about lacking respect. Yeah, because Vince didn't tell Cena to. |
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 20, 2012 22:35:56 GMT -5
I think that's why he's the only who could have made that speech because he has been in the position of not getting deserved regard when he's done so much. The Career of John Cena: A Legend in Obscurity. Guys like Christian got it easy. Cena knows all about hard knocks and doing it for DIS BIDNESS and getting nothing in return. |
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 20, 2012 22:36:50 GMT -5
Cena's half was good but I still don't get how Punk saying and doing what made him face a little over a year ago is now somehow making him a heel and it seems 3/4 the audience feels the same. Punk was the underdog then. Now, no matter where hes at on the card, he's dominant. Him coming out and saying what he's saying would be like Sheamus coming out and calling himself an underdog. It just doesnt make that much sense, and comes off as the rich wanting to be richer, rather than the oppressed rising up to take what they feel belongs to them. Punk is no longer the underdog, hes a dynasty! He has become the New York Yankees St Louis Cardinals. At least thats my view on why he isnt getting as much backing now as he was before. Punk is still the underdog when it comes to the likes of Cena, HHH, & Lesnar. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 20, 2012 22:37:13 GMT -5
Who hasn't noticed him? Obviously not WWE, who slapped his face on the newest WWE game and gave him a viral campaign to boot.
Besides, when Cena wasn't closing out shows during his early reigns in 2005/2006, often taking a backseat to HBK's exploits and then Vince vs. DX, did he gripe about it? No, because he knew that wouldn't have been constructive.
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Post by Richard on Aug 20, 2012 22:37:53 GMT -5
He's only "right back where he started" if you support his opinion that he, and he alone, should be the face of the company by providence. Not because it's the WWE Champion not main eventing, but because CM Punk is the WWE Champion and not main eventing. It's more about spotlighting himself than bringing any honor to the belt. And Cena basically popped his little bubble, without burying him or painting him as inferior. He basically told Punk, in a nutshell, "shut up and wrestle". But that is what he's done for 9 months and it did nothing for him. Hell, Johnny Ace has more main events than CM Punk does this year. |
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 20, 2012 22:37:59 GMT -5
Punk has been shutting up and wrestling for 9 months now and it ain't got him jack s***. To bring RL into it a second. Weren't Punk's segments tanking in the ratings for a long while? And that is entirely the fault of the bookers and producers. |
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2012 22:38:23 GMT -5
This isn't Punk's first reign, he was a champ in 2008 and 2009 and 2011 before this reign. This is supposed to be his star making reign, but instead he's taking a backseat to Cena. Cena STILL main evented multiple PPVs in his first reign of all things, and then main evented EVERY PPV once he got it back from Edge. Punk hasn't gotten a chance to main event one, ONE, this entire year through EIGHT PPVs. It's a load of s***, and I'm totally on Punk's side here. Cena main evented 3 pay-per-views during his first reign, and one of those was more about Shawn vs. Angle than it was him. Ever since Money in the Bank 2011, Punk main evented 5, one without the title involved. And by the time Cena got the belt back from Edge in LATE 2006, he'd already proved himself as the top guy, after playing second-fiddle to DX, Hogan, 'Taker, and Batista ever since winning the title at WrestleMania 21. And guess what? He still didn't main event a pay-per-view without any of those guys (Armageddon 2006 was more about Batista) involved until 2007. |
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Aug 20, 2012 22:38:23 GMT -5
I guess the whole problem I have with this is that you can't talk about it without bringing up booking or kayfabe or other "insider" stuff. It's not so much Punk vs Cena as it is the booking of Punk vs the booking of Cena.
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