StuntGranny®
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Post by StuntGranny® on Nov 18, 2012 12:42:04 GMT -5
So does Alabama's weak schedule just get glanced over by the voters/computers/whatever? I don't ask this to troll, I'm just absolutely still bitter about Auburn in 2004 when they were kept out for a supposedly 'weak schedule'. Auburn's non-conference opponents that season: Louisiana-Monroe, The Citadel, and Louisiana Tech. Auburn's signature win: Tennessee or LSU Oklahoma's non-conference opponents: Bowling Green, Houston, and Oregon. Oklahoma's signature win: Texas (which was their only loss, and they won the Rose Bowl) USC's non-conference opponents: Va Tech, BYU, and Colorado State. USC's signature win: California (which was their only loss going into the bowls) or Va Tech (who made a BCS bowl) Auburn's non-conference schedule wasn't as good as USC and Oklahoma's schedules. Also Auburn's signature win couldn't match up with Oklahoma and USC. They got the right matchup that year. I disagree, I think Auburn would've played USC a lot closer than Oklahoma did. I'm also biased as hell, so there's that.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 18, 2012 12:49:26 GMT -5
How they would have played doesn't really matter. Who gets to go depends on what you've done to that point, and purely based on the opponents they'd played, USC and Oklahoma were the right teams. Trying to introduce style points or other arbitrary measures just makes the process far worse to me.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 18, 2012 12:49:53 GMT -5
@bfeldmancbs Notre Dame unanimous No. 1 in new AP poll followed by Bama, UGA, Ohio State and Oregon. OSU > UGA Not that this poll matters, but yeah. Despite them not being bowl eligible, I'd be pretty happy if I liked THE Ohio State University. Urban Meyer's got a good thing going. Bill O'Brien in Penn State, too. If Rutgers and Maryland get into the Big Ten, could make things really interesting there. Well, Rutgers anyway. Could do wonders for Rutgers, too, making them much more attractive for recruiting and getting a delicious slice of that Big Ten Network pie.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Nov 18, 2012 12:53:32 GMT -5
How they would have played doesn't really matter. Who gets to go depends on what you've done to that point, and purely based on the opponents they'd played, USC and Oklahoma were the right teams. Trying to introduce style points or other arbitrary measures just makes the process far worse to me. Honestly, I tend to agree about the 'style points'. Yet another reason I look forward to the playoff system being implemented.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 14:40:53 GMT -5
Quality loss: Bama #2 loses to #1 LSU in 2011. FSU #1 loses to #2 Notre Dame in 93. Quality win against a lower raked team counts but not as much as losing to a high high say top five team as long as it was close. That is actually a good thing. It means they examine games very very closely. The SEC is not the only conference to ever benefit from this.2006, Notre Dame #19 goes down swinging against #1 USC, Notre Dame moves up instead of down. Quit saying that happened. It never did. Notre Dame was #9 going into the game, lost by 3 on a somewhat controversial non-call in a game they weren't favored to win, and remained #9. They dropped from #9 to #12 in the Coaches' poll. And it was in 2005. In 2006 #6 Notre Dame lost by 20 to #2 Southern Cal and dropped to #11.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 18, 2012 15:04:14 GMT -5
So does Alabama's weak schedule just get glanced over by the voters/computers/whatever? I don't ask this to troll, I'm just absolutely still bitter about Auburn in 2004 when they were kept out for a supposedly 'weak schedule'. Yes. That's another part of the SEC self-perpetuating problem. The conference as a whole has weak scheduling. They schedule the shittiest non-conference teams possible and as such their rankings are preserved for when they face each other in conference play. And Slim, I'm not saying this is a grand conspiracy or anything. What I am saying, however, is this is sadly a repeating, self-sufficient cycle that shouldn't be. It perpetuates this idea that the SEC is the best conference in the country. It isn't. It is an extremely top heavy conference in actual talent, with the rest of the teams getting a boost in public perception by being in the SEC. The fact that nearly all of the Top 10 in this week's BCS rankings will be SEC teams will just fuel next year's polls that will yet again start so many SEC teams out highly ranked and unless they pull an Arkansas, they'll cruise through their cupcake non-conference games and then will beat up on each other, but hey since they are all ranked they won't drop far in the ranks. And then the cycle continues next year.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 18, 2012 16:06:14 GMT -5
@mcmurphyespn just Tweeted that Brad Edwards' BCS projections are as follows....
1. Notre Dame, 2. Alabama, 3. Georgia, 4. Florida, 5. Oregon
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Post by jamofpearls on Nov 18, 2012 17:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 18, 2012 17:22:22 GMT -5
I know Auburn is awful this year, bu are they really celebrating beating Alabama A&M?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 18, 2012 17:23:18 GMT -5
I know Auburn is awful this year, bu are they really celebrating beating Alabama A&M? They do that after every win no matter how big or small.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 18, 2012 17:30:17 GMT -5
I know Auburn is awful this year, bu are they really celebrating beating Alabama A&M? They do that after every win no matter how big or small. Huh... I guess there really is nothing else to do in Auburn.
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Post by MGH on Nov 18, 2012 17:32:05 GMT -5
And they just opened as a 34 point dog to Bama this weekend.
Bad day.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2012 18:37:56 GMT -5
Quality loss: Bama #2 loses to #1 LSU in 2011. FSU #1 loses to #2 Notre Dame in 93. Quality win against a lower raked team counts but not as much as losing to a high high say top five team as long as it was close. That is actually a good thing. It means they examine games very very closely. The SEC is not the only conference to ever benefit from this.2006, Notre Dame #19 goes down swinging against #1 USC, Notre Dame moves up instead of down. Quit saying that happened. It never did. Notre Dame was #9 going into the game, lost by 3 on a somewhat controversial non-call in a game they weren't favored to win, and remained #9. They dropped from #9 to #12 in the Coaches' poll. And it was in 2005. In 2006 #6 Notre Dame lost by 20 to #2 Southern Cal and dropped to #11. First thing, watch your tone with me. I didnt disrespect you, but I took your opening line as disrespect. Second, thank you for jogging my memory I believe we had this discussion in here once. I am sorry but when you remember something a certain way for so long it is going to stay that way in your mind. The point was reiterated enough so I withdraw the ND argument. But watch it dude.
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Post by Jazzman on Nov 18, 2012 18:45:45 GMT -5
So, AJ Barker from Minnesota quit the team today and blasted Jerry Kill, the head coach. Read it here
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2012 19:00:59 GMT -5
Did he acuse the coach of physical and psychological abuse? I hear if you quit, you should always do that so nobody will remember how bad you actually were.
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Post by Jazzman on Nov 18, 2012 19:13:39 GMT -5
Did he acuse the coach of physical and psychological abuse? I hear if you quit, you should always do that so nobody will remember how bad you actually were.The dude walked on to the team and was easily their best receiver this year. Leads the team in total touchdowns with 7 so take the negativity and save for something to be negative about. It's backwards thinking like what I've emphasized here that upsets me about the course that people take.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 20:01:01 GMT -5
Quit saying that happened. It never did. Notre Dame was #9 going into the game, lost by 3 on a somewhat controversial non-call in a game they weren't favored to win, and remained #9. They dropped from #9 to #12 in the Coaches' poll. And it was in 2005. In 2006 #6 Notre Dame lost by 20 to #2 Southern Cal and dropped to #11. First thing, watch your tone with me. I didnt disrespect you, but I took your opening line as disrespect. Second, thank you for jogging my memory I believe we had this discussion in here once. I am sorry but when you remember something a certain way for so long it is going to stay that way in your mind. The point was reiterated enough so I withdraw the ND argument. But watch it dude. You brought it up before as an example of ND getting biased voting in the polls, and when I corrected you on it, your response was basically "oh, I was wrong but it still happened". And then you bring it up again, and it's still just as wrong. It's not disrespect, you just make your arguments look really weak when your examples are completely incorrect.
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Post by ICBM on Nov 18, 2012 20:31:08 GMT -5
Tempest, I recalled that specific incident in the post you just quoted. Read it again. Have a nice night.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Nov 18, 2012 20:38:27 GMT -5
Week 13 BCS Rankings
1. Notre Dame (11-0) 2. Alabama (10-1) 3. Georgia (10-1) 4. Florida (10-1) 5. Oregon (10-1) 6. Kansas State (10-1) 7. LSU (9-2) 8. Stanford (9-2) 9. Texas A&M (9-2) 10. Florida State (10-1) 11. Clemson (10-1) 12. South Carolina (9-2) 13. Oklahoma (8-2) 14. Nebraska (9-2) 15. Oregon State (8-2) 16. Texas (8-2) 17. UCLA (9-2) 18. Rutgers (9-1) 19. Michigan (8-3) 20. Louisville (9-1) 21. Oklahoma State (7-3) 22. Boise State (9-2) 23. Kent State (10-1) 24. Arizona (7-4) 25. Washington (7-4)
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 18, 2012 20:40:40 GMT -5
TUESDAY Akron at Toledo, 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPN2
THURSDAY TCU at #16 Texas, 7:30/4:30 PM, ESPN
FRIDAY Syracuse at Temple, 11:00/8:00 AM, ESPN2 Ohio at Kent State, 11:00/8:00 AM, ESPNU #14 Nebraska at Iowa, Noon/9:00 AM, ABC
Marshall at East Carolina, 2:00 PM/11:00 AM, CBSSN #7 LSU at Arkansas, 2:30 PM/11:30 AM, CBS Utah at Colorado, 3:00 PM/Noon, FX #25 Washington at Washington State, 3:30/12:30 PM, FOX West Virginia at Iowa State, 3:30/12:30 PM, ABC
South Florida at Cincinnati, 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPN Arizona State at #24 Arizona, 10:00/7:00 PM, ESPN
SATURDAY #19 Michigan at Ohio State, Noon/9:00 AM, ABC Georgia Tech at #3 Georgia, Noon/9:00 AM, ESPN #18 Rutgers at Pittsburgh, Noon/9:00 AM, ESPN2 Virginia at Virginia Tech, Noon/9:00 AM, ESPNU Tulsa at SMU, Noon/9:00 AM, FX
Baylor vs. Texas Tech, 2:30 PM/11:30 AM, FOX Auburn at #2 Alabama, 3:30/12:30 PM, CBS #4 Florida at #10 Florida State, 3:30/12:30 PM, ABC #21 Oklahoma State at #13 Oklahoma, 3:30/12:30 PM, ESPN Wisconsin at Penn State, 3:30/12:30 PM, ESPN2 Vanderbilt at Wake Forest, 3:30/12:30 PM, ESPNU Air Force at Fresno State, 3:30/12:30 PM, NBCSN
#8 Stanford at #17 UCLA, 6:30/3:30 PM, FOX #12 South Carolina at #11 Clemson, 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPN Missouri at #9 Texas A&M, 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPN2 Mississippi State at Mississippi, 7:00/4:00 PM, ESPNU #1 Notre Dame at USC, 8:00/5:00 PM, ABC
Louisiana Tech at San Jose State, 10:30/7:30 PM, ESPN2
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