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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2012 19:22:54 GMT -5
skinny jeans, at least in my town, are far from normal(and to be fair, we also don't have a mall ). As I said, my attire does draw negative feedback(hell, I got called a fag by someone driving by as I walking home from work today, and I was even wearing a gray t-shirt:p). I don't particularly like being called such names(so obviously me wearing these clothes isn't just to draw attention from the Greek boys ), but I'm not going to let some douchebags dictate my fashion. Well, one douchebag can(me) Though, were you called that cause of what you wore or cause they were dicks who would call you that if it was anything else in your closet? Who knows about these particular guys. Just last week however, some guys on a porch of a house I walked past called me a score of homosexual slurs, and specifically mentioned my attire in relation to my sexual orientation. I was doing nothing other than simply walking downtown to get some dinner. And for what it's worth, this is straying off-topic. The whole point of my post was that I wear atypical attire(at least for my hometown) that garners unwanted attention. I mean, to say that women who wear good looking clothes are "asking for it" when it comes to creepy comments, you could make similar arguments for brushing your teeth, showering, doing your laundry, etc. Of course, we all(or at least most of us) try and present our best selves, physically, but that doesn't mean we're doing it for the sole purpose of being oggled at by others in a potentially creepy way.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 26, 2012 21:01:43 GMT -5
Again, I really wish people would stop boiling it down to "you're saying they're asking for it and are blaming the victim", as if I would cheer if someone did anything to her.
At this point, maybe you people should tell the rest of us what is OK by your standards to find sexual, and that's it.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 26, 2012 21:03:24 GMT -5
Can we go back to talking about this presumably unwell girl's boobs?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 21:06:16 GMT -5
If you put it out there for all to see, you put it out there for ALL to see.
ALL includes asses, creepers, negative nancys amd just plain whackjobs.
I'm not saying that one shouldn't have a right to comment on some of these less desirable comments, but to be surprised by those very comments?
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Post by salsashark on Jul 26, 2012 21:13:00 GMT -5
I just wish people would utilize common sense. Victim blaming is one thing, but people should use common sense when they make things public. If she just wanted it for her boyfriend (hypothetically), she should have it to her boyfriend. No one deserves to be harassed, but foolishness deserves accountability, too, and I very much get the feeling this girl wanted people to think "Wow, how hot is she?"
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 26, 2012 21:24:06 GMT -5
I'll offer those women feedback if that's what they want.
The first girl has wonderful breasts, although that's not a particularly flattering picture. She looks ill. I also don't know why she's wearing that hideous belt.
The second girl is beautiful. She has a nice figure, but her swimsuit is rather ugly with bizarre cuts and an awful print design. She'd look better in a bikini. Why does she have a lightswitch IN the bathroom? That seems a bit dangerous. What are those black things on the wall?
That is all.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 26, 2012 21:30:25 GMT -5
Actually, reading the OP again, should she complain if that's her perogative? Absolutely. If she's uncomfortable then yeah, she should voice her concern. Should she be aware that a provocative image that would not be out of place in FSM/Playboy/411mania/Divas thread/etc might draw that attention? Yes. Do I think that there's a chance someone might put up a picture like that hoping for the attention it would draw and being aware of its sexual nature, and then turn around and feign ignorance? Yes. Is this everyone? No. Does this give guys right to make shitty comments? No. Is she responsible for their actions? No.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 26, 2012 21:31:32 GMT -5
The dude defending her is trying the hardest to f*** her.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jul 26, 2012 21:33:29 GMT -5
so a few months ago, i bought this super cute blue dress. it really comes in at the waist, flows out nicely to just above my knee, and the colour looks nice. i bought it. i didn't buy it so guys would hit on me\want to rape me. i bought it because i like how good i felt in it. I'm betting you wear it in public, right? Attention isn't about selfishness, it could be "hey, I look good and feel good right now" and it would still cause people to pay attention, it's an involuntary action, after all. so next time i go out, i'll make sure not to feel good about myself. gotcha
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 26, 2012 21:34:18 GMT -5
I'm betting you wear it in public, right? Attention isn't about selfishness, it could be "hey, I look good and feel good right now" and it would still cause people to pay attention, it's an involuntary action, after all. so next time i go out, i'll make sure not to feel good about myself. gotcha Yep. Feel like s***, or else!
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jul 26, 2012 21:44:24 GMT -5
I'm betting you wear it in public, right? Attention isn't about selfishness, it could be "hey, I look good and feel good right now" and it would still cause people to pay attention, it's an involuntary action, after all. so next time i go out, i'll make sure not to feel good about myself. gotcha No one likes vanity ;D
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The Line
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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2012 21:45:54 GMT -5
Again, I really wish people would stop boiling it down to "you're saying they're asking for it and are blaming the victim", as if I would cheer if someone did anything to her. At this point, maybe you people should tell the rest of us what is OK by your standards to find sexual, and that's it. Well, that's essentially what you're boiling it down to as well. Like as if guys are powerless to boobiez. They see a pair of breasts and they have to make a comment about them or something. Essentially, all that I've seen you say is "if girls didn't dress so provocatively, guys wouldn't comment on it", to which I can easily say "if guys wouldn't make creepy comments at girls who dress proactively(which again, is what the Facebook girl seemed to imply), girls wouldn't have to feel u comfortable about it." I mean, how else am I supposed to take your comments?
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Post by zeez on Jul 26, 2012 21:48:31 GMT -5
1) Men are perverts 2) Men are assholes
I'm not saying it's right but it's gonna happen because we are just awful.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 26, 2012 22:00:05 GMT -5
1) Men are perverts 2) Men are assholes I'm not saying it's right but it's gonna happen because we are just awful. As a male, I would never sexually harass someone because of what they wear. Period. And a number of people wouldn't here either. That thought in itself is very sexist. Again, I really wish people would stop boiling it down to "you're saying they're asking for it and are blaming the victim", as if I would cheer if someone did anything to her. At this point, maybe you people should tell the rest of us what is OK by your standards to find sexual, and that's it. Again, that's an absurd argument. I feel you're strawmaning a lot of people here. Comments like, you look cute for a picture like that, posted potentially for reasons of getting attention, no one is really complaining about. The problem is overt sexual harassment. I don't know if you would cheer on anything being done to her, but my fear is, you would find a way to justify it and blame that person for it. Maybe believe the attacker was wrong, but also find a way to blame that person for not changing their behaviour. And I don't know if you would do that honestly, but that mindset of, she was asking for this kind of attention, is awful and people believing that should be shamed and shown why they're wrong. The problem with saying someone is just looking for attention, well, what does that matter? What if they are looking for attention? Does that mean it's ok to sexually harass someone? The reason people bring up rape is because it's the same line of reasoning. And that's the problem I, and others have with this line of reasoning. If she's an attention whore, being sexually harassed in an overt and blatant way is still wrong, end of story.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 26, 2012 22:05:18 GMT -5
Again, I really wish people would stop boiling it down to "you're saying they're asking for it and are blaming the victim", as if I would cheer if someone did anything to her. At this point, maybe you people should tell the rest of us what is OK by your standards to find sexual, and that's it. Well, that's essentially what you're boiling it down to as well. Like as if guys are powerless to boobiez. They see a pair of breasts and they have to make a comment about them or something. Essentially, all that I've seen you say is "if girls didn't dress so provocatively, guys wouldn't comment on it", to which I can easily say "if guys wouldn't make creepy comments at girls who dress proactively(which again, is what the Facebook girl seemed to imply), girls wouldn't have to feel u comfortable about it." I mean, how else am I supposed to take your comments? Except I'm not saying women's shouldn't dress how they want to dress. I'd just like people to know that, as is with every single damn thing in life, there will be some kind of reaction to this kind of stuff, and not all of it is sick or deprived if someone does it. If you find someone hot or feel the feature she is pouting out are nice and you happen to mention it, it should not mean that you are now a rapist in training or you are seriously considering harassing her.
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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2012 22:08:51 GMT -5
Well, that's essentially what you're boiling it down to as well. Like as if guys are powerless to boobiez. They see a pair of breasts and they have to make a comment about them or something. Essentially, all that I've seen you say is "if girls didn't dress so provocatively, guys wouldn't comment on it", to which I can easily say "if guys wouldn't make creepy comments at girls who dress proactively(which again, is what the Facebook girl seemed to imply), girls wouldn't have to feel u comfortable about it." I mean, how else am I supposed to take your comments? Except I'm not saying women's shouldn't dress how they want to dress. I'd just like people to know that, as is with every single damn thing in life, there will be some kind of reaction to this kind of stuff, and not all of it is sick or deprived if someone does it. If you find someone hot or feel the feature she is pouting out are nice and you happen to mention it, it should not mean that you are now a rapist in training or you are seriously considering harassing her. I'm not saying that either. Just in this example, the woman in question apparently got some feedback that she found creepy. I've never said you can't compliment someone on their looks. All I've said that is it seemed that the Facebook girl in question was creeped out by some messages she got privately based off the picture she posted, and all I'm saying is that in no way are the alleged guys who made these alleged comments in the right if their comments were indeed said to her(which if their half as tame as some of the stuff I read on this forum...ew)
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 26, 2012 22:21:05 GMT -5
Except I'm not saying women's shouldn't dress how they want to dress. I'd just like people to know that, as is with every single damn thing in life, there will be some kind of reaction to this kind of stuff, and not all of it is sick or deprived if someone does it. If you find someone hot or feel the feature she is pouting out are nice and you happen to mention it, it should not mean that you are now a rapist in training or you are seriously considering harassing her. I'm not saying that either. Just in this example, the woman in question apparently got some feedback that she found creepy. I've never said you can't compliment someone on their looks. All I've said that is it seemed that the Facebook girl in question was creeped out by some messages she got privately based off the picture she posted, and all I'm saying is that in no way are the alleged guys who made these alleged comments in the right if their comments were indeed said to her(which if their half as tame as some of the stuff I read on this forum...ew) The thing is, we don't know what those PMs are, and thus don't know what they said. I'm basically relying on the grabs themselves, and on those pages there is nothing that really stands out as shocking. On both the first and second, it's just minor comments, some tame, others a bit risque, but still fine (the lesbian one seems to not be anything more than a joking compliment), and the reaction being blown out of proportion. You can imagine the posts and PMs she's mentioning all you want, but it's sort of futile without anything concrete. It ends up coming out like any comment made at all, even those tame ones, are off limits.
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Post by unc40 on Jul 26, 2012 23:00:31 GMT -5
Someone should have posted, "Whats all the fuss about I don't see anything."
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Post by Starshine on Jul 26, 2012 23:11:04 GMT -5
...Oh uh, boobs... what were we talking about again?
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Post by chazraps on Jul 27, 2012 0:13:27 GMT -5
so a few months ago, i bought this super cute blue dress. it really comes in at the waist, flows out nicely to just above my knee, and the colour looks nice. i bought it. i didn't buy it so guys would hit on me\want to rape me. i bought it because i like how good i felt in it. That sounds like a normal wholesome picture, just like the swimsuit pic I posted. Your bags of sand were not hanging out, and since you had a dress there was no need for pants! Now if I sent you a message saying "Oh that looks nice" That's not sexual harassment. FUN FACT: If you are a total stranger who has never spoken to a girl before, and you message her online, and compliment an image of her to break the ice, that has the tendency to usually pretty creepy regardless the level of smuttiness. Can more of the female voices of the forum weigh in on this thread, please? More seem to be needed.
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