kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 8, 2013 0:11:25 GMT -5
When the thing most people are talking about is a line stolen from a rap song, it's hard to be impressed. That line was used long before Wu Tang.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 8, 2013 0:12:42 GMT -5
What baffles me the most about Cookiepus is...what kind of endorsement can Punk even get from that? The Cookie Monster's wife? Cookie Puss is an actual product. It's an ice cream cake from a company named Carvel... so an endorsement isn't out of the question ;D Wait. ...Ice Cream? MOTHERf***ERSI'M CALLING THIS. ROCK AND PUNK ARE ON THE SAME SECRET STABLE. THIS HAS BEEN THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 8, 2013 0:14:12 GMT -5
I loved it. Their interaction was lightyears better than the Rock/Cena stuff, because Punk is a complete bastard and gives Rock a reason to get down to business. Cena vs. Rock on the other hand was like watching two high school boys pick on each other.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 8, 2013 0:15:38 GMT -5
When the thing most people are talking about is a line stolen from a rap song, it's hard to be impressed. Stolen from a rap song, which was stolen from a broadway musical, which was stolen from a sermon. Still, it is a great line and was used really well, so it doesn't matter to me that he didn't come up with it.
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Post by slappy on Jan 8, 2013 0:16:15 GMT -5
I'm glad Punk didn't act like the Rock's words hurt him. Rock really needs to step his game up and stop being a childish insult comic.
I know, Rock can say anything and people will think it's the funniest damn thing in the world but that doesn't make it or him good.
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Post by corndog on Jan 8, 2013 0:17:33 GMT -5
If people come in here talking about who won that promo then they truly missed the point. We just saw two men who weren't afraid of each other take two different directions in going about it and it was fan-freakin-tastic. Way better than Cena trying to out-joke The Rock last year. THIS is a feud. Single-handedly got me right back into Raw. Very good point, they both used their own styles and people are going to prefer one or the other, but at the end of the day they both just showed how to sell a fued. There is alot of chemisty with those two and if the Cena/Rock II build up isn't better than last time then it's going to be a damn shame this match isn't for Wrestlemania, because that was the best face off I have seen in a long time.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 8, 2013 0:17:55 GMT -5
I don't get why comments like these are allowed when if I'd said, "you guys only like what Punk said because Punk said it", people would be all over me. This is such an awful argument. When Rock and Cena can come out and say near identical things and Rock gets praised for being funny while Cena is killed for being a juvenile ass, it seems that way. Granted there is a lot more to it than that but I've seen that on here for years and it was real bad last year. I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped slamming Cena for being juvenile a while ago, because I understand that he's playing to his fanbase. Besides, CM Punk isn't exactly a stranger to double standards, either. It's actually pretty annoying to see people making assumptions about my post because of the things that others have said or what biases they had. I don't like what Rock says because he's from the Attitude Era. I like what Rock has to say because he's entertaining.
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Post by slappy on Jan 8, 2013 0:20:25 GMT -5
When Rock and Cena can come out and say near identical things and Rock gets praised for being funny while Cena is killed for being a juvenile ass, it seems that way. Granted there is a lot more to it than that but I've seen that on here for years and it was real bad last year. I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped slamming Cena for being juvenile a while ago, because I understand that he's playing to his fanbase. Besides, CM Punk isn't exactly a stranger to double standards, either. It's actually pretty annoying to see people making assumptions about my post because of the things that others have said or what biases they had. I don't like what Rock says because he's from the Attitude Era. I like what Rock has to say because he's entertaining. Then what's Rock's excuse for being juvenile? His fan base is supposed to be adults.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 8, 2013 0:21:24 GMT -5
I'm glad Punk didn't act like the Rock's words hurt him. Rock really needs to step his game up and stop being a childish insult comic. I know, Rock can say anything and people will think it's the funniest damn thing in the world but that doesn't make it or him good. It kinda does though. To get people to chant the most childish shit on such a regular basis requires talent. I may not like but I absolutely respect it.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 8, 2013 0:21:44 GMT -5
I'm glad Punk didn't act like the Rock's words hurt him. Rock really needs to step his game up and stop being a childish insult comic. I know, Rock can say anything and people will think it's the funniest damn thing in the world but that doesn't make it or him good. Getting people to cheer for the stuff you say, getting Punk the most actual heel heat he's gotten in months, and selling a feud doesn't make you good? I... don't understand that reasoning. Rock's character is that of an insult comic, it's what makes him popular, it's entertaining, and he really shouldn't be acting any other way.
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Post by BV on Jan 8, 2013 0:22:53 GMT -5
Punk was absolutely killing it. Rock's normal shtick was awful tonight. Worse than normal. Punk blew him out of the water on the mic.
They can't go back and fourth like this every week, because Punk will continue to destroy him.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 8, 2013 0:24:46 GMT -5
Punk was absolutely killing it. Rock's normal shtick was awful tonight. Worse than normal. Punk blew him out of the water on the mic. They can't go back and fourth like this every week, because Punk will continue to destroy him. In what sense though? If a large majority of the audience still eats up Rock's stuff, cheers him on, and remains into his stuff, does it really matter if some consider Punk to have destroyed him?
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Post by Arrow on Jan 8, 2013 0:26:30 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped slamming Cena for being juvenile a while ago, because I understand that he's playing to his fanbase. Besides, CM Punk isn't exactly a stranger to double standards, either. It's actually pretty annoying to see people making assumptions about my post because of the things that others have said or what biases they had. I don't like what Rock says because he's from the Attitude Era. I like what Rock has to say because he's entertaining. Then what's Rock's excuse for being juvenile? His fan base is supposed to be adults. ... so? Who says adults can't appreciate Rock's humor? And are you really going to complain about juvenile humor is what's essentially a juvenile product that achieved some of its great successes by being aimed at juveniles?
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 8, 2013 0:26:44 GMT -5
I don't think Punk was killing it, I think he took a lot of time to say the exact same things he'd been saying, only taking a great line from a rap song/broadway show/sermon. What made it work for me was how well they played off each other, with neither letting the other effect him. To me, that built the match, neither did so individually.
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Post by BV on Jan 8, 2013 0:27:43 GMT -5
Punk was absolutely killing it. Rock's normal shtick was awful tonight. Worse than normal. Punk blew him out of the water on the mic. They can't go back and fourth like this every week, because Punk will continue to destroy him. In what sense though? If a large majority of the audience still eats up Rock's stuff, cheers him on, and remains into his stuff, does it really matter if some consider Punk to have destroyed him? Unless Punk continues to kick it up a notch, they'll start to turn on Rock. They were doing it last were with Cena near the end of that build-up.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 8, 2013 0:31:10 GMT -5
When the thing most people are talking about is a line stolen from a rap song, it's hard to be impressed. That line was used long before Wu Tang. I'm pretty sure God actually use to use it. Every once in a while some one would be like, "Hey God, wanna box?" and he'd be all, "Your arms to short to box with God." And then he'd pat them on the head be on his way.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 8, 2013 0:31:28 GMT -5
Cookie Puss is an actual product. It's an ice cream cake from a company named Carvel... so an endorsement isn't out of the question ;D Wait. ...Ice Cream? MOTHERf***ERSI'M CALLING THIS. ROCK AND PUNK ARE ON THE SAME SECRET STABLE. THIS HAS BEEN THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG. And THESE GUYS are behind everything new boom period
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 8, 2013 0:31:42 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else, but I stopped slamming Cena for being juvenile a while ago, because I understand that he's playing to his fanbase. Besides, CM Punk isn't exactly a stranger to double standards, either. It's actually pretty annoying to see people making assumptions about my post because of the things that others have said or what biases they had. I don't like what Rock says because he's from the Attitude Era. I like what Rock has to say because he's entertaining. Then what's Rock's excuse for being juvenile? His fan base is supposed to be adults. Being an adult doesn't mean you have to divorce yourself from everything you liked as a child; it means you have to understand the shortcomings those things have while you enjoy them. Why, Rock's promos are childish, yes--but here's the thing. He delivers them extremely well, making them entertaining. Are they childish? Very much so. But there's this disconnect between this borderline roidfreak, the childish insults, the dexterity he has delivering those insults and his sheer intensity that it generates something that simply...isn't really real. You hear a Rock promo and you know - this man is a living cartoon. And that's the thing, some people don't mind that. I sure don't. I love it. Some people don't like living cartoons and that's okay too. So you ask what Rock's excuse is--well, he has none because he doesn't need one. He's a cartoonish caricature of an over the top macho trash talking wrestler and that's who he is. He gets a pass on being insane because he took this childish thing and polished up his delivery so well it's hilarious. And it's funny because the basis of all humor is the disconnect between what you expect to happen and what actually happens. Rock's promos are childish and I consider myself an adult, yes. But they are still entertaining for the reasons I outlined above, so why should I stop being entertained by them just because I'm an adult? There's no reason. If his cartoonish cariacture doesn't feel cool to you that's fine - but there really isn't any reason why he should have to change his character at this point because some people are pretty comfortable with liking something that's mildly childish.
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Post by slappy on Jan 8, 2013 0:33:29 GMT -5
I'm glad Punk didn't act like the Rock's words hurt him. Rock really needs to step his game up and stop being a childish insult comic. I know, Rock can say anything and people will think it's the funniest damn thing in the world but that doesn't make it or him good. Getting people to cheer for the stuff you say, getting Punk the most actual heel heat he's gotten in months, and successfully selling a feud doesn't make you good? I... don't understand that reasoning. Rock's character is that of an insult comic, it's what makes him popular, and he really shouldn't be acting any other way. His promo sucked. His promos have sucked. I don't care if the fans cheer for it, it just means they cheer something bad. Just because the fans cheer for something doesn't make it automatically good. I'm sure there are times when the fans have cheered for stuff, you've disagreed and thought whatever it was was not good. You shouldn't base everything off crowd reaction. Rock could go out there and give a terrible promo, a promo so bad that it makes Freight Train's promos seem like Ric Flair's and people would still cheer and call him a great promo guy. Just because you can get crowd reaction does not make what you actually say any good. Well he should come up with better material if he's going to stay an insult comic.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 8, 2013 0:37:51 GMT -5
Just because you can get crowd reaction does not make what you actually say any good. Conversely, you can say stuff that's good and it doesn't really matter if you don't get a crowd reaction. And while I like CM Punk, it seems like recently (i.e. the past few years) he's only good when he's doing worked shoots and he sucks on the mic when he doesn't care about the material he's working with (and then, he's not really getting Rock reactions in spite of having content that's the furthest thing away from the Rock's material). Hell, I am loathe to say this, but when Triple H said that Punk was talking in circles during their brief 2011 feud, he was right. All Punk had were ad hominem worked shoots comments that didn't sell the reality and animosity of the feud. He couldn't build to the match on the mic. Whereas the Rock at least, given his recent appearances, does care about the material he works with 100% (added by his intensity and charisma), even though when you pull on the thread of the logic of what he says it falls apart.
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