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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 2:44:46 GMT -5
They already need to extend this feud just so the IWC can lose it minds over its love of all things Punk, If he drops the title to Rock at RR I think the web may crash let alone this place. I hope that happens.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 8, 2013 2:51:05 GMT -5
Saying 'the movie was bad' is a presupposition of objective and observable fact. Saying 'I thought the movie was bad' is an assertion of subjective evaluation. Often people conflate the second with the first, as it seems you are regarding the quality and fan perception of the Rock and CM Punk's promo abilities. I don't see why I need to add "I thought or think" to my sentences because it should be given. If I didn't think it I wouldn't be saying it. Just because a lot of people think something is good does not mean that I have to think it's good too. I can think it's bad. Is someone wrong for liking Rock's promos? No. Am I wrong for not liking them? No. Generally, the big reason for doing it is that saying for example "Twilight is horrible" implies you mean it is objectively bad--it uses techniques badly or something like that. When you say "I think that--" you are generally referring to less specific and more personal opinions that aren't up for much debate. It just makes it easier to know whether someone wants to debate an objective point or is just expressing their opinion on the matter. So yeah, not really that important. It's just one of those things that can come off kind of weird on the internet due to lack of tone, but it's not like people have to use it. It just makes things easier, I think.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jan 8, 2013 2:56:25 GMT -5
The next promo will be the dealbreaker on who I side with, though I'm probably gunna go with Rocky anyway because Punk has reached HHH reign of terror levels of bland repetitive redundancy IMO.
But then again, everytime Rock sucks me in, the payoff is another lame insult that completely ruins the mood he was building up; (i.e. THIS WILL HAUNT YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.....cookie puss).
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Post by memphis25 on Jan 8, 2013 3:01:57 GMT -5
LOL someone already edited the Cookie Puss Wikipedia page to add photo's of Punk
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 8, 2013 3:17:40 GMT -5
LOL someone already edited the Cookie Puss Wikipedia page to add photo's of Punk Already capped
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 8, 2013 4:03:27 GMT -5
My thought is this...why should the Rock be playing it super serious right off the bat?
The Rock's whole schtick is to run you down on the mic, drop catchphrases, make goofy jokes and to entertain. This thing with Punk is just starting in earnest and while Punk's take on it makes it personal for him, I don't think it's done anything to make it personal for the Rock.
Punk was right about the status quo and about the WWE machine not wanting to get behind him as much as somebody like Cena or Rock. He's a good wrestler and does deserve to be there. That anger makes it personal for him and fueled his entire promo tonight on the Rock. It NEEDED serious Punk.
But the Rock's coming off 2-for-2 and is always given godlike status on his returns, that's nothing new at all. Someone said it best when they said that Rock doesn't need to do anything different right now, because the fans and the WWE count on him to pull the same routine. To be honest, he fed Punk's rage and I think it helped make Punk's argument that much better. But this isn't personal to the Rock. Not yet, anyways. And when it does get personal, you'll see stuff like the "straight edge scrotum" (which made me laugh hysterically, no lie) fade out a little, but not completely. Then you'll get to see more of the serious side of things.
Did anyone ever stop and think that maybe this is leading beyond RR and might eventually lead to Punk/Rock II at Mania? With Ziggler still pushing towards Cena, talk of Ryback facing Big Show, Lesnar's possible rematch with Triple H, and (I've only seen mention of it on this site) Sheamus/Orton/Taker amalgamation of sorts...maybe we could see Rock and Punk at the top of their game at Mania. I don't know, I'm just throwing it out there. It would be great for the Rock and Cookiepuss to go two straight with a serious build towards Mania.
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Post by blues on Jan 8, 2013 5:47:31 GMT -5
Fantastic. Did not even think about fastforwarding in that segment.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 8, 2013 7:47:33 GMT -5
Getting people to cheer for the stuff you say, getting Punk the most actual heel heat he's gotten in months, and successfully selling a feud doesn't make you good? I... don't understand that reasoning. Rock's character is that of an insult comic, it's what makes him popular, and he really shouldn't be acting any other way. His promo sucked. His promos have sucked. I don't care if the fans cheer for it, it just means they cheer something bad. Just because the fans cheer for something doesn't make it automatically good. I'm sure there are times when the fans have cheered for stuff, you've disagreed and thought whatever it was was not good. You shouldn't base everything off crowd reaction. Rock could go out there and give a terrible promo, a promo so bad that it makes Freight Train's promos seem like Ric Flair's and people would still cheer and call him a great promo guy. Just because you can get crowd reaction does not make what you actually say any good. Well he should come up with better material if he's going to stay an insult comic. I know it's the cornerstone of the internet and all but I hate this attitude. The " I don't like it therefore it just sucks" attitude is just riduculous. Your(or anyone else's) opinion is not the definitive one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 8:24:15 GMT -5
I loved it. It also displayed why The Rock is one of the greatest on the mic ever. He drew the crowd in with his shtick, but turned around and put over Punk as a legitimate threat to him and sold the encounter as personal. Punk also played his role well in ignoring the jokes in favor of taking it directly to Rock and basically turning the perception around. To him, The Rock is the one stepping into the ring with a legend, The Rock is the one in over his head, The Rock is the one that has to prove himself. It just completely clicked with me.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Jan 8, 2013 8:26:35 GMT -5
I demand the match be moved to Shaolin Island!
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 8, 2013 8:39:03 GMT -5
I thought the clash in styles is what really made tonight's promo work; Punk's doing the whole whiny entitled internet nerd who demands pro wrestling be SERIOUS BIZNESS thing (and really, that's the character they should have been positioning him as months ago, instead of the generic "insults hometowns and Jerry Lawler" stuff that no one gave a damn about), and Rock completely shuts him down by doing his over-the-top cartoon rambling. Pretty much. The whole point is that Rock is basically saying "I don't have to do what you do. I don't have to be SRS BUSINESS PIPEBOMB ANGRIES to make people care."
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 8, 2013 8:39:21 GMT -5
I'm a huge Punk fanboy, so my viewpoint is most likely skewed. I don't hate the Rock by any means, let me just get that out of the way.
I loved the segment tonight. Punk was solid gold, once Rock came out. He totally delivered. I don't think I mattered to his last line was stole from a rap song because the way it was delivered was a definite oh shit moment, and I'd guess 65% of the audience (an that's probably being generous) didn't know it.
As for Rock, he did what he does. At this point he could say anything and the masses would cheer and chant like sheep. That being said, it was effective and did what it was supposed to do.
Before last night I was on the fence about even watching the Rumble, but that one promo sold me.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 8, 2013 9:13:06 GMT -5
Some of Rock's jokes fell flat, but I enjoyed both of their promos. I understand people not liking the Rock being juvenile, but if you compare his delivery with that of Cena's, Sheamus, and Miz it's light and day (though Cena occasionally will get a chuckle from me).
I do have to agree that the build is already better than any Cena/Rock. Mainly because they didn't want either to be a heel, and their interaction together was rather limited. Which resulted in the 2 taking turns destroying the other without a rebuttal. And while I understand Cena's character, during the Rock feud, his lack of seriousness tended to bug me. Whenever the Rock would say something Cena would just do his stupid smirk and laugh it off. It can work at times, but for that being "the biggest moment of his career" Cena really didn't seem to be taking it very seriously. While for all of Rock's corniness, when he needed to be serious he was serious.
People talking about the rap line Punk used, while good, it wasn't the best part for me. My favorite part was when Punk said it didn't matter to him how often Rock did or didn't show up, because whenever he did Punk would still be better than him. When he said the line, The Rock's very subtle reactions made it.
Punk and Rock took each other very seriously despite the insults. That's where the Cena/Rock hype fell flat.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 8, 2013 10:07:59 GMT -5
I liked it, it was a little long with some redundant/repeated points from Punk and lame jokes from The Rock, it also felt like it was building to something that never actually happened but overall their fantastic delivery made up for any faults.
I liked the way they started to subtly circle each other as well.
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Post by MGH on Jan 8, 2013 10:19:15 GMT -5
I really must have changed a lot since 2002. There was a time where Rock's promo would have had me rolling and I'd be declaring it some awesome thing and the best part of a show. My eyes were straight up rolling almost every time he opened his mouth. I had this small glimmer when he started going in to Jericho 2002 territory and was getting serious, but then he told him to get naked or whatever the hell that was and I was checked out again.
I hope Punk kicks his ass just like he did in this first promo.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 8, 2013 10:19:26 GMT -5
I don't get the whole "No Winners or Losers" at the top of this thread; to say who won or who lost isn't about who delivered and who phoned it in, so much as who delivered better than the other. That's the purpose of a face-off like that; if it's a stalemate, then neither one of them did their job too well.
That said, Punk completely owned. He was heated in a way he hasn't been for a while; you could feel the hate radiating off of him, and his revelation of sorts about how he used the crowd to get to the main event sold me on his heel turn. They should have had him do that months ago! Rock, on the other hand. Unlike others, I'll freely admit he worked the crowd well. He sure as hell didn't work me, though. Cookie puss? Strip naked? "Tattoo a snickers on your ass?" The Rock/Punk interaction has been better than Rock/Cena as of yet, true, but hardly because Rock's material's improved. If anything, I'd argue it's deteriorated.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 8, 2013 10:27:24 GMT -5
Punk was great but Rock dragged him down.
He's awful... there's nothing to any of his promos. No meaning or substance at all; it's just a big mess of bad, childish insults yet for some reason the live audience lap it up.
You suck Rock. Go away again please.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2013 10:41:09 GMT -5
Really wish they'd pretty much scrapped the first part of Punk's promo.
But from that point on it was excellent. Even if The Rock does make CM Punk look like a basement dwelling YouTube obsessive.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jan 8, 2013 10:46:31 GMT -5
Before this thread descended into the expected "Punk's promo sucked, Rock was awesome" and "Rock's promo sucked, Punk was awesome" there were some really good points made. The clash of styles, the way neither allowed the other to effect them, the intensity and fire in both of them and how they ended up selling the match on the basis of one promo. Personally I thought the best part was Punk's promo prior to The Rock coming out. I didn't feel like there was enough back and forth between the two when The Rock came out but I guess that's because Punk had already had 20 minutes and they wanted to give The Rock the chance to say his piece.
I look forward to us hopefully seeing a more back and forth promo at some point in the build-up to the Rumble. I really don't get why some people are upset that Punk is using a line that was in some rap song. 99% of stuff that is said has been said at some point before, why choose to burn Punk over it? Very strange. Quite excited for the Rumble now though, hopefully the match is better than Cena/Rock was, the promo's already are, lets hope the match lives up to the billing too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 10:52:28 GMT -5
I thought it was interesting the way Punk undercut everything Rock said before he even came out there.
A big part of the Rock's gimmick is having "the millions..." behind him chanting his chants and going crazy for him and Punk's whole "you people don't matter" bit definitely took a bit of the wind out of Rock's sails from that standpoint.
It's like, "See they're chanting cookiepuss!" "Yeah so what? These people will chant anything!"
But either way - both promos did a good job of building up the match, which is the whole point after all. Rock's fighting for "the people" and Punk's fighting for himself. Classic heel/face fued.
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