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Post by DrizzlinShytes on Jan 8, 2013 11:08:03 GMT -5
It is in no way shocking that most of an internet forum would prefer Punk's promo and his work in general. I, personally, preferred Punk's work last night as well. But this is because I was never the popular guy as a young man either. I wasn't the star like Rock and Cena likely were in school. People didn't instinctively laugh at my jokes (even if I thought they were hilarious) like they did at the popular kid's half ass humor. People didn't get my references. etc. So I identify more with someone like Punk.
That in no way means the Rock sucked. The Rock was great for what he was trying to do. I really wish they would have the Rock go play his Hollywood heel character again. He was outstanding in that role and even when I have found his work a bit too sophomoric there is no doubt he has that "it" factor notion.
Punk couldn't get over what the Rock can. That may be the problem for some of the more devout about Punk. His face turn was okay, but he couldn't get cookiepuss over. He couldn't get fruity pebbles over. There are few that ever could.
I guess, in a sense, we are disappointed in people for letting Rock get anything over. We're disappointed and a little jealous that he can and guys like Punk can't. So our natural inclination is to say that the people in the majority are just stupid or...marks. That is natural. It might even be true. But it changes next to nothing.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Jan 8, 2013 11:12:24 GMT -5
I don't get the whole "No Winners or Losers" at the top of this thread; to say who won or who lost isn't about who delivered and who phoned it in, so much as who delivered better than the other. That's the purpose of a face-off like that; if it's a stalemate, then neither one of them did their job too well. That said, Punk completely owned. He was heated in a way he hasn't been for a while; you could feel the hate radiating off of him, and his revelation of sorts about how he used the crowd to get to the main event sold me on his heel turn. They should have had him do that months ago! Rock, on the other hand. Unlike others, I'll freely admit he worked the crowd well. He sure as hell didn't work me, though. Cookie puss? Strip naked? "Tattoo a snickers on your ass?" The Rock/Punk interaction has been better than Rock/Cena as of yet, true, but hardly because Rock's material's improved. If anything, I'd argue it's deteriorated. Its better than Rock/Cena because both men are actually building and working together towards something important. With Cena/Rock it was silly and felt like they were always trying to one up each other like two little girls. Punk/Rock knocked it out of the park. Sure there were jokes and insults and Punk rambled off as well but in the end both guys delivered well in selling and hyping the match. Thats the end game. Look past Rock's schtick, look past Punk's schtick and you saw two men, who gave a smash mouth in your face promo about proving who was the best, and putting the company's top prize in all its glory. Kinda explains the everything as a whole thing going on in this poll too. It was good.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 8, 2013 11:23:49 GMT -5
Just one little touch that surprised me a bit.
Punk was actually calling him "Rock", and not "DWAYNE".
Did everyone's favorite radical bomb-thrower get his hands slapped a bit backstage before the promo?
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 8, 2013 12:05:27 GMT -5
It's on!... ![](http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad166/lance1_photo/tumblr_mganuj0mj91qbnb43o1_1280.jpg) ![](http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad166/lance1_photo/tumblr_mganigon7b1r92ldso1_500.jpg) Ballgame Maggle!
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Post by wrestling4ever on Jan 8, 2013 13:00:30 GMT -5
It's on!... ![](http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad166/lance1_photo/tumblr_mganuj0mj91qbnb43o1_1280.jpg) ![](http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad166/lance1_photo/tumblr_mganigon7b1r92ldso1_500.jpg) Ballgame Maggle! I love stare downs. You could feel the tension with these two. Way different vibe from ![](http://wwedvdnews.s3.amazonaws.com/reviews/2012/rockcena/facetoface.png)
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2013 13:14:06 GMT -5
"And then Trigger made a face... a serious face."
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Post by Snaptastic on Jan 8, 2013 13:21:32 GMT -5
I just went back and watched it again. I liked it but I didn't love it. Punk had the better of the two in terms of substance I felt. That being said, I expected from Rock what was delivered with a few extras which I thought worked well.
If Rock had come in at this early (sort of) stage and started being serious off the bat...it wouldn't have worked. The people buy tickets and PPV to see that kind of Rock in action. He's always been juvenile and childish in many ways. To see him become serious all because it's Punk wouldn't have made sense to me. Punk is the underdog who rose to the top and got cocky about it. Rock is the guy who was at the top for most of his career and is trying to knock Punk down a few pegs. To Rock it doesn't matter as long as Punk is put in his place, so a few insults and making fun plus a little bit of violence at the end makes it work. But to Punk, it's everything and he can't afford to lose to someone like Rock. This is because he truly believes he is better than everyone past and present. So the promo and character development between the two made sense.
On the flip side, there were a few misfires (mainly from Rock) which soured it hence why I didn't love it. Also when Punk was talking about how Rock has never come up against someone as good as him (or whatever it was). I was truly expecting Rock to start rhyming off names like Hogan & Austin. Other than that, it was good and more than enough for the first encounter since RAW 1000.
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Post by pepsitwist on Jan 8, 2013 13:40:42 GMT -5
They talked me into paying for the PPV (if I had the money). It felt serious, joking aside, far more intensity than Cena/Rock. Both delivered a segment above anyone else on the roster.
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Jan 8, 2013 13:43:00 GMT -5
Just one little touch that surprised me a bit. Punk was actually calling him "Rock", and not "DWAYNE". Did everyone's favorite radical bomb-thrower get his hands slapped a bit backstage before the promo? Could just have been an acknowledgement by everyone beforehand that the real-name thing sucks. Yes his real name is Dwayne Johnson, we know because he has a successful movie career. Oh, and CM Punk is Phil Brooks and the Undertaker is Mark Calaway. Whoop-de-doo. Now can we get back to watching "The Rock" and "CM Punk" put on a fake wrestling match for our entertainment please? That's how I look at it anyway.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 8, 2013 13:45:34 GMT -5
Just one little touch that surprised me a bit. Punk was actually calling him "Rock", and not "DWAYNE". Did everyone's favorite radical bomb-thrower get his hands slapped a bit backstage before the promo? Could just have been an acknowledgement by everyone beforehand that the real-name thing sucks. Yes his real name is Dwayne Johnson, we know because he has a successful movie career. Oh, and CM Punk is Phil Brooks and the Undertaker is Mark Calaway. Whoop-de-doo. Now can we get back to watching "The Rock" and "CM Punk" put on a fake wrestling match for our entertainment please? That's how I look at it anyway. I think the real name thing works depending on who you use it against. To me it's okay to call The Rock "Dwayne", but it's not okay to call Triple H "Paul". It's okay to call The Miz "Mike" or call Edge "Adam", but it's not okay to call Zack Ryder "Matt" or Antonio Cesaro "Claudio".
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Post by wrestling4ever on Jan 8, 2013 13:48:05 GMT -5
Calling anyone by their real name inside the WWE in promos has always been lame to me.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jan 8, 2013 14:00:59 GMT -5
Calling anyone by their real name inside the WWE in promos has always been lame to me. I agree to a point but in WWE Canon he has become Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. Kinda the opposite of Big Show, who debuted as Paul Wight and became Big Show or Miz who debuted as Mike Mizanin. I don't get the whole "No Winners or Losers" at the top of this thread; to say who won or who lost isn't about who delivered and who phoned it in, so much as who delivered better than the other. That's the purpose of a face-off like that; if it's a stalemate, then neither one of them did their job too well. Two reasons. 1 I find it absolutely dumb to judge things in terms of winners and losers in wrestling. Saying one guy held up their end or another didn't one thing but there is no real winners or losers 2. Not even a year ago this board couldn't handle doing winner/loser stuff with Rock/Cena without multiple locks, warnings, temp-bans or outright bannings because people were choosing sides and picking fights because of it and I don't want to put myself, the other staff, or anyone else through that again.
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Post by blues on Jan 8, 2013 14:41:36 GMT -5
I will pay for this PPV. First since Wrestlemania.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 8, 2013 15:06:17 GMT -5
Calling anyone by their real name inside the WWE in promos has always been lame to me. I agree to a point but in WWE Canon he has become Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. Kinda the opposite of Big Show, who debuted as Paul Wight and became Big Show or Miz who debuted as Mike Mizanin. Hell, Rock's WWE.com page even identifies him as "Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson" as opposed to just "The Rock".
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 8, 2013 16:40:17 GMT -5
Loved both promos, but the people who say Rock's was a bad promo are more delusional than kayfabe Punk.
Simple exercise: compare Sheamus' HORRIBLE promo with 3MB (when he tried to take a page out of Rock's improv styles to sing Danny Boy) to Rock's natural charisma even after being away from the WWE for months. Sheamus is a great worker but he doesn't have 1/10th of Rock's charisma to pull of those kinds of promos.
Punk and Rock are equals on the mic, with Punk possibly edging him out in terms of sheer caustic vileness. But Rock is being portrayed as the stronger physical threat, especially after Punk's now cheated Ryback out of 3 title victories in a row (with Shield's/Mad-Dox's help) and the fact that he overcame the Cena odds last year. Just an overall even feud for once and even if Punk drops his title he's gonna make the next 3 weeks a memorable roller coaster with his pipebombs!
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Post by HBL on Jan 8, 2013 16:48:58 GMT -5
Absolutely LOVED it. I knew it was gonna be great,but I didn't expect it to be this much from the first night. The tension was even there when Punk said bacsktage that he was gonna ''drop another pipebomb.'' I hate the pipebomb phrase,but I just loved the way Punk seemed during that segment. The eventual promo was awesome. The Rock could've done great too if not for the lame ass humour,he can be awesome when he's actually serious.
I was particularly amazed by the ''Your arms are too short to box with God'' line. I know it doesn't belong to Punk or anything,but it was still a great thing to hear. It's been one night of the official feud,and it's already miles better than the entire year build up of Rock/Cena.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jan 8, 2013 17:41:58 GMT -5
They both delivered.
The Rock has this weird thing, where he can say literally anything he wants to say, purely because his delivery makes it work. And Punk was just...DAMN.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 8, 2013 17:44:49 GMT -5
Was I the only one who felt underwhelmed and was just waiting for The Rock to come out after 10 minutes? Seriously, what was he going for, what was the basis he was trying to get over? First, he started off by telling the fans how guys like Cena are handed stuff on a silver platter because the fans cheer them. Than he mentioned how Brodus Clay and Tyson Kidd should be pushed. Than, he talked about how the fans don't matter. Than, he talked about his title reign and how he's better than Bruno Sammartino and Hulk Hogan. Than he went back to the fans again.
It seems like he was rambling about nonsense instead of actually having a idea of what he was going to get across during the promo. He talking about 5 things in 15 minutes. And where was the "pipebomb?" All I saw was a guy out in the ring looking lost and confused about what he was trying to say. And I'm a big CM Punk fan and usually put him high on the totem pole as far as "mic skills" are concerned? But what the hell was that?
And don't get me started on The Rock's "cookie puss" and telling Punk to strip naked. Um, ok.
*Shudders*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 17:49:36 GMT -5
Was I the only one who felt underwhelmed and was just waiting for The Rock to come out after 10 minutes? Seriously, what was he going for, what was the basis he was trying to get over? First, he started off by telling the fans how guys like Cena are handed stuff on a silver platter because the fans cheer them. Than he mentioned how Brodus Clay and Tyson Kidd should be pushed. Than, he talked about how the fans don't matter. Than, he talked about his title reign and how he's better than Bruno Sammartino and Hulk Hogan. Than he went back to the fans again. It seems like he was rambling about nonsense instead of actually having a idea of what he was going to get across during the promo. He talking about 5 things in 15 minutes. And where was the "pipebomb?" All I saw was a guy out in the ring looking lost and confused about what he was trying to say. And I'm a big CM Punk fan and usually put him high on the totem pole as far as "mic skills" are concerned? But what the hell was that? And don't get me started on The Rock's "cookie puss" and telling Punk to strip naked. Um, ok. *Shudders* 1. The "pipebomb" was that he played the WWE Universe the entire time by pretending to be an anti-hero for them to cheer. He didn't become this evil guy demanding 'respect' - he was evil the whole time (which he stated). 2. The parts about Cena being handed stuff on a silver platter, Clay & Kidd, how the fans don't matter and his long title reign were all connected in way that he explicitly laid out during the promo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 17:51:08 GMT -5
I demand the match be moved to Shaolin Island! Park Hill to be exact!
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