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Post by metylerca on Jan 28, 2013 23:58:49 GMT -5
For everything Vince has done over the years, he's at least gone through phases where he gets the audience and has shown a softer, nicer side of himself. What has Paul Heyman done to endear the audience? You misunderstand me. I don't think anyone should feel for Heyman. His character is a slimeball. But Vince is too. It'd be like watching a fist fight between Stalin and Hitler and having to root for one. "Can't they maybe just kill each other and we'll clap when it's over?" - Everybody. I would still consider Vince the lesser of two evils. One could make the case that he was only making an example out of Heyman by having the "performance review" out in the ring because he already knew he was right and wanted Heyman to live up to his actions in front of the live audience.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 29, 2013 0:00:34 GMT -5
Just have Brock break Steph's arm. Problem solved. That's what I'd do if I had the book. Break both, that way she can't write anything anymore, lol. Actually, it's times like this that I miss Linda, robotic delivery aside. She was always the one just, sane, sympathetic McMahon. It's hard to feel bad for Vince when he has and could be behind these types of shenanigans himself.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 29, 2013 0:01:07 GMT -5
Setting aside how I, or anyone, probably feels about him in real life, the kayfabe "Mr. McMahon" alone is the most loathsome, despicable character in wrestling history. He's a complete narcissistic, sexist, racist, power-hungry madman who is willing to sell out his own family to join a Satanic cult in order to screw with his most popular employee.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 29, 2013 0:01:25 GMT -5
I think the inconsistency is in his megalomania. This is a man who forced a woman to bark like a dog and made wrestlers submit to his will and power by making them kiss his ass. He also openly mocked a beloved announcer's cancer, HBK's religion, and admitted (in character) that he really doesn't care what his audience wants. You can't just flip a switch and make that go away. He's entertaining in a Mr. Burns way, but not at all sympathetic. For everything Vince has done over the years, he's at least gone through phases where he gets the audience and has shown a softer, nicer side of himself. What has Paul Heyman done to endear the audience? One guy being an unrepentant douche doesn't somehow make the guy who at one point was making believe he was sacrificing his own daughter to a satanic cult not a horrible person. Vince's sins are far more egregious than Paul's kayfabe wise.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 29, 2013 0:01:36 GMT -5
I actually hated the way he sold the F5.
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Post by gimpocommando on Jan 29, 2013 0:02:29 GMT -5
"Zoom in on his face, keep going" Vince is garbage. A shame Brock didn't grab the mic and ask the WWE Universe if he should F5 Vince again, and leave Vince's fate to the crowd he was playing up only minutes prior.
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Post by Error on Jan 29, 2013 0:03:54 GMT -5
On point one, WWE wants their Universe to be of one mind. On the rest, Heyman Inc. did what they did because of how Vince treated them. Even before the Maddox stuff, Vince was against Punk (remember MITB 2011?), was against Lesnar and against Heyman. He's the cause of this. In 2011, Punk threw Vince's entire company into upheaval by shooting on live television and namedropping entirely different promotions on his programming. (Punk has since even admitted he was in it for himself and was selfish about the entire thing and the audience who supported him were stooges) And although it didn't mean much in the long run, Vince lost his position as C.O.O. because he went insane doing whatever it took to make sure CM Punk didn't leave his company with his most valuable possession in the WWE title. Once this happened, he faded away into relative obscurity in all things regarding Punk until Punk himself revealed he didn't care about the people and was going to keep the title and run amok in WWE no matter how much cheating and scheming it would take to accomplish it. Punk even hurt the company's goldenboy Cena and caused an entire PPV main event to go into disarray. Ahh but he cared so liitle about Punk that he didn't notice what he was doing for over 10 minutes on his live flagship program! Then Vince himself tried to manipulate things to ensure Punk wouldn't get to MITB and then screw Punk over in his hometown (sounds familiar) and manipulate the outcome of his match on live PPV. When that didn't work he tried to fire the "Golden Boy" which caused him to lose power. He brought that all on himself! Then things were fine until Vince got involved and started stacking the deck against Punk (and later Heyman) which caused this issue. He pushed Cena out there injured and in wrestling Cena got hurt worse. Again, his fault! Then Punk and Heyman stooped to Vince's level. Shortly after Punk was injured by one of Vince's goons and instead of taking the opportunity to exercise his authority and the rules of WWE by stripping Punk of the title, he didn't do that in an attempt to embarrass Mr. Punk.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 29, 2013 0:05:13 GMT -5
Another thing that was hilarious was when Brock got in Vince's face, Vince bowing up to him.
It's like, c'mon old man; I know ya've got an ego, but stop that.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 29, 2013 0:06:14 GMT -5
For everything Vince has done over the years, he's at least gone through phases where he gets the audience and has shown a softer, nicer side of himself. What has Paul Heyman done to endear the audience? One guy being an unrepentant douche doesn't somehow make the guy who at one point was making believe he was sacrificing his own daughter to a satanic cult not a horrible person. Vince's sins are far more egregious than Paul's kayfabe wise. Yeah.? Well.... um.... Heyman bounces checks!
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Post by metylerca on Jan 29, 2013 0:07:19 GMT -5
In 2011, Punk threw Vince's entire company into upheaval by shooting on live television and namedropping entirely different promotions on his programming. (Punk has since even admitted he was in it for himself and was selfish about the entire thing and the audience who supported him were stooges) And although it didn't mean much in the long run, Vince lost his position as C.O.O. because he went insane doing whatever it took to make sure CM Punk didn't leave his company with his most valuable possession in the WWE title. Once this happened, he faded away into relative obscurity in all things regarding Punk until Punk himself revealed he didn't care about the people and was going to keep the title and run amok in WWE no matter how much cheating and scheming it would take to accomplish it. Punk even hurt the company's goldenboy Cena and caused an entire PPV main event to go into disarray. Ahh but he cared so liitle about Punk that he didn't notice what he was doing for over 10 minutes on his live flagship program! Then Vince himself tried to manipulate things to ensure Punk wouldn't get to MITB and then screw Punk over in his hometown (sounds familiar) and manipulate the outcome of his match on live PPV. When that didn't work he tried to fire the "Golden Boy" which caused him to lose power. He brought that all on himself! Then things were fine until Vince got involved and started stacking the deck against Punk (and later Heyman) which caused this issue. He pushed Cena out there injured and in wrestling Cena got hurt worse. Again, his fault! Then Punk and Heyman stooped to Vince's level. Shortly after Punk was injured by one of Vince's goons and instead of taking the opportunity to exercise his authority and the rules of WWE by stripping Punk of the title, he didn't do that in an attempt to embarrass Mr. Punk. Good shit. I concede.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 29, 2013 0:08:18 GMT -5
One guy being an unrepentant douche doesn't somehow make the guy who at one point was making believe he was sacrificing his own daughter to a satanic cult not a horrible person. Vince's sins are far more egregious than Paul's kayfabe wise. Yeah.? Well.... um.... Heyman bounces checks! And he was in Rollerball. But even so, Vince approved Katie Vick.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 29, 2013 0:09:08 GMT -5
Yeah.? Well.... um.... Heyman bounces checks! And he was in Rollerball. But even so, Vince approved Katie Vick. Kane shouldn't have killed her.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 29, 2013 0:10:00 GMT -5
Paul was great telling Vince leave the ring over and over and he didn't listen so no I don't feel sorry
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 29, 2013 0:10:04 GMT -5
Just have Brock break Steph's arm. Problem solved. That's what I'd do if I had the book. Break both, that way she can't write anything anymore, lol. Actually, it's times like this that I miss Linda, robotic delivery aside. She was always the one just, sane, sympathetic McMahon. It's hard to feel bad for Vince when he has and could be behind these types of shenanigans himself. I'm imagining Steph's "acting" with two broken arms, and no, gonna have to pass, it'll go into the realm of comedy angle. One will suffice, but they don't have the balls to do the same thing they did with Orton, to get the heat right.
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Post by Error on Jan 29, 2013 0:10:21 GMT -5
And he was in Rollerball. But even so, Vince approved Katie Vick. Kane shouldn't have killed her. Don't know why he or Katie thought letting a freak that never saw daylight and lived in a basement drive a stick shift was a good idea.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 29, 2013 0:10:55 GMT -5
And he was in Rollerball. But even so, Vince approved Katie Vick. Kane shouldn't have killed her. It's hard to drive on wet roads when your face is all burnt but not really burnt, you just think it's burnt because of emotional scars inflicted on you by your father the evil mortician who apparently was f***ing your undead half brother's mom on the side and then your house burned down apparently killing them but you still had time to go to high school somehow and... Man, Kane's backstory is f***ed up.
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Post by Lancers on Jan 29, 2013 0:15:02 GMT -5
I feel bad for Vince. He's old and his balls are old. No 60 something year old should be subjected to Brock Lesnar's sexy power. I just wish it was someone other than Triple H to avenge his father-in-law's mortality, like Brad Maddox.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 29, 2013 0:15:04 GMT -5
Kane shouldn't have killed her. It's hard to drive on wet roads when your face is all burnt but not really burnt, you just think it's burnt because of emotional scars inflicted on you by your father the evil mortician who apparently was f***ing your undead half brother's mom on the side and then your house burned down apparently killing them but you still had time to go to high school somehow and... Man, Kane's backstory is f***ed up. I always wondered where he found the time to go to wrestling school in the midst of all of this. And I would have hated to be the seamstress when he needed something to wear to his big reveal. Kane shouldn't have killed her. Don't know why he or Katie thought letting a freak that never saw daylight and lived in a basement drive a stick shift was a good idea. You try telling a 6'5" (or 7') monster that he's riding shotgun to a date.
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Post by saintpat on Jan 29, 2013 0:15:55 GMT -5
The man who brought you Dean Ambrose and will bring you El Generico deserves to be avenged!!!
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 29, 2013 0:16:00 GMT -5
For everything Vince has done over the years, he's at least gone through phases where he gets the audience and has shown a softer, nicer side of himself. What has Paul Heyman done to endear the audience? You misunderstand me. I don't think anyone should feel for Heyman. His character is a slimeball. But Vince is too. It'd be like watching a fist fight between Stalin and Hitler and having to root for one. "Can't they maybe just kill each other and we'll clap when it's over?" - Everybody. I think the idea is, they are both assholes but Vince is our asshole.
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