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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 30, 2013 17:33:13 GMT -5
She's not a pedo. Pedophiles only go after kids 12 and younger. If it is an adult going after a teen between 15 and 19 it is ephebophilia. Same difference, she still wants to f*** someone half her age who is barely more emotionally mature than a child. She's still okay with committing boy-rape. I'm sorry guys but I really don't see how anyone can defend this. It's an adult abusing a teenager, and again she tried to force herself onto him and tried to guilt him into staying silent. It's sick, it's wrong and it's illegal, she should go to jail and/or a mental asylum and the only reason she's not required to be on a sex offenders list is that she doesn't have a cock. The only really illegal thing about it is it is a school staff member doing this to a student. The age thing isn't that serious to me because, like I said it depends on the state. I'm still not defending her, hell I've already condemned her myself, but not because of the age thing.
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Post by Orange on Jan 30, 2013 17:35:54 GMT -5
Damn, I should've just stayed out of this thread.
If it's a boy and a woman - it's a few pages of "YEAH! THAT'S BADASS! I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNG! BOOBS!"
If it's a girl and a grown man - it's 30 pages of "THAT'S AWFUL! CHOP HIS PENIS OFF! LEAVE HIM TO ROT! HE'S A PREDATOR!"
Because, God forbid both cases be as awful. Nope, if the adult is a woman it's f***ing badass and he's a gay pussy for not wanting to f*** her at 16.
I just should've stayed out of this thread.
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Post by salsashark on Jan 30, 2013 17:39:51 GMT -5
I feel so conflicted reading this thread. Koda, Ssnakebite, dobedobedo, etc. are all speaking logical sense, and from a legal perspective, her sentence smacks of discrimination working in her favor. She is totally abusing her power and intimidating the teen.
But on the other hand, the boy does sound manipulative and like he was chasing trouble and then got spooked once she wanted to go all the way. I am also of the mindset that while victim blaming is a problem 4/5ths of the time, there is also victim excusing which doesn't speak to the logic and reason people should use in situations like this. The kid is 16 and should have a modicum of sense by then.
Also, this is super shallow of me, but I would have killed for a teacher that attractive come after me back in my high school days. Take out the criminal aspects and a lot of this does read like porn.
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Post by salsashark on Jan 30, 2013 17:46:00 GMT -5
Damn, I should've just stayed out of this thread. If it's a boy and a woman - it's a few pages of "YEAH! THAT'S BADASS! I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNG! BOOBS!" If it's a girl and a grown man - it's 30 pages of "THAT'S AWFUL! CHOP HIS PENIS OFF! LEAVE HIM TO ROT! HE'S A PREDATOR!" Because, God forbid both cases be as awful. Nope, if the adult is a woman it's f***ing badass and he's a gay pussy for not wanting to f*** her at 16. I just should've stayed out of this thread. I totally get what you mean, and I think it's important to get into the context of why we excuse one over another. What gender typically exerts more social power (and can exert physical power) if need be? Males. Who is less at risk of being sexually assaulted because they fight their way out of a situation that goes wrong? Males. Thus, the older woman coming down to a younger guy's level for action typically seems so hot because if the guy finds himself in a bad situation, he can work his way out of it easier. Men are more in control of social situations on various levels that being less in control in this sexual situation is hot because there is less of a prospect of the woman causing serious danger. Is that right? No. Is that super basic example that doesn't take things like stalking, threats, violence, etc. into account? Yeah, but that's part of my hypothesis overall.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 30, 2013 18:06:10 GMT -5
After reading the story (first post was just a South Park reference due to it being female teacher and male student), I must say that the teacher is definitely in the wrong in this situation. She should have stopped before it even started and I do feel her sentence was not as harsh as it would be if it were a male teacher.
HOWEVER, this does not make it okay for the boy to be continuing it to "see how far it would go" because that statement shows he knew what he was doing and is just as much at fault as the teacher. He even replied to the boobs picture with a picture of a penis. He may be the "victim" in this situation but it does not dismiss his actions. She should have stopped because he is a kid and a student but he was admittedly trying to take it further too.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 30, 2013 18:14:27 GMT -5
Same difference, she still wants to f*** someone half her age who is barely more emotionally mature than a child. She's still okay with committing boy-rape. I'm sorry guys but I really don't see how anyone can defend this. It's an adult abusing a teenager, and again she tried to force herself onto him and tried to guilt him into staying silent. It's sick, it's wrong and it's illegal, she should go to jail and/or a mental asylum and the only reason she's not required to be on a sex offenders list is that she doesn't have a cock. The only really illegal thing about it is it is a school staff member doing this to a student. The age thing isn't that serious to me because, like I said it depends on the state. Yeah, I guess but still... well, aside from the fact that the age alone does indeed make it illegal in the state it happened... it's clearly not a healthy relationship. Even if the law regarding the age was different, it's still one person trying to force themselves onto another, trying to take advantage of their weakness, and that's what pisses me off the most about this story and about people who blame the kid (don't worry, I know you're not, I just want to make my point clear as there are some here who clearly do). I feel so conflicted reading this thread. Koda, Ssnakebite, dobedobedo, etc. are all speaking logical sense, and from a legal perspective, her sentence smacks of discrimination working in her favor. She is totally abusing her power and intimidating the teen. But on the other hand, the boy does sound manipulative and like he was chasing trouble and then got spooked once she wanted to go all the way. I am also of the mindset that while victim blaming is a problem 4/5ths of the time, there is also victim excusing which doesn't speak to the logic and reason people should use in situations like this. The kid is 16 and should have a modicum of sense by then. Also, this is super shallow of me, but I would have killed for a teacher that attractive come after me back in my high school days. Take out the criminal aspects and a lot of this does read like porn. True but the fact remains that he wanted out and she still tried to force herself onto him. It's not just the age thing. Had they both been the same age, it'd still be creepy as Hell because one is evidently trying to force the other into doing things they don't want to do. And again, the teen was dumb but he didn't realize what he was doing until he figured out she was being far more serious about it than he thought, because he's a teen, has never been in a serious relationship and doesn't realize how weird adults can be. Heck, when I was the same age, I once jokingly offered a grown woman to show her my dick, but she had the decency to say "no, and you shouldn't say stuff like that. Even as a joke". And it is true that it reads like porn, but that's why porn is porn: it's a fantasy and it should remain so. I'm not saying people should never do stuff out of a porno, I really don't care as long as it's between consenting adults (again, I cannot stress this enough: adult. And a teenager is NOT an adult. That's why we call them teenagers and not adults), I'm saying people should learn to restrain themselves and that in real life, boning your student or even just trying to is NOT okay. I get incest porn, I get rape porn, I even get gore porn (and I mean actual pornography involving gore effects, not the pretentious term used by movie snobs to describe horror movies that are horrifying), but that doesn't mean you should do it in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 18:37:07 GMT -5
To be nitpicky, I'm not sure that it was his penis he sent her a photo of. According to the article, it just says it's a picture he 'downloaded from the internet'. It's not incredibly clear, but that's my take on it. It could have been his and he was too embarrassed to admit it to police or the family member he confided in, or maybe he was afraid he would get in trouble. But semi-officially, it wasn't his penis.
I'm also not entirely sure that everybody is saying the kid is an angel and didn't do anything wrong. He did, definitely. But bone-headed things are kinda what teenagers do best. I'm still going with my theory that he thought she was hot, and like most teenage boys, totally had a fantasy about them getting it on. Something tells me he isn't going to come out with that to the police or a reporter, and probably not even his family member.
I'd say, if anything, he's embarrassed and he's doing the "manly" thing of just brushing off his involvement as a joke. Which, I highly doubt was his motivation. (Something tells me a 16 year old male thinking with his penis isn't trying to hit on the librarian as a joke..)
Anyway, regardless, he is underage, she is not. He is a student, she is faculty of the school. He told her NO, and she didn't listen.
Even if you take away the first two sentences there, we've still an issue here. Add back in the fact that she held a position of authority over him and tried to guilt him, and we've more problems. Go one step further and add in that he was a minor and she was twice his age...it's not good any way you cut it.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jan 30, 2013 19:54:01 GMT -5
Does anyone else think the librarian looks a bit like Kaitlyn? I'm not sure the importance of that, but I did notice it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 20:59:19 GMT -5
Same difference, she still wants to f*** someone half her age who is barely more emotionally mature than a child. She's still okay with committing boy-rape. I'm sorry guys but I really don't see how anyone can defend this. It's an adult abusing a teenager, and again she tried to force herself onto him and tried to guilt him into staying silent. It's sick, it's wrong and it's illegal, she should go to jail and/or a mental asylum and the only reason she's not required to be on a sex offenders list is that she doesn't have a cock. The only really illegal thing about it is it is a school staff member doing this to a student. The age thing isn't that serious to me because, like I said it depends on the state. I'm still not defending her, hell I've already condemned her myself, but not because of the age thing. I don't see how. It's not like this is some fling between a high school junior and college freshman. Shes damn near twice his age, and he ain't even old enough to bypass truancy laws.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 30, 2013 21:33:25 GMT -5
I just don't think "victim" is the proper term for the guy in this case. The librarian was being unethical, but I fail to see how she caused any ounce of harm to the guy. Then you're wrong, it's an adult in a position of authority taking advantage of a kid. Strip away all the details, genders of participants, etc and thatse what it is.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 30, 2013 21:51:15 GMT -5
How did she take advantage of this kid exactly? In what way did she gain anything from this?
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Post by Starshine on Jan 30, 2013 21:54:56 GMT -5
I can't be bothered to read this whole thingamabob. But I'll just say that, she acted very inappropriately, the kid was uncomfortable due to her actions, the kid did something about it, she fessed up to it... and... that's about it. I'd hope the people who are condemning the kid are doing so in jest, because if I knew him, I'd totally tell the kid he f***ed up too. But seriously, it's good that he had the courage to actually do something about the situation and she accepted her fault. So, yeah. Case closed. And that's the end of that chapter.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 30, 2013 21:55:33 GMT -5
How did she take advantage of this kid exactly? In what way did she gain anything from this? She was probably a nut.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 30, 2013 22:21:56 GMT -5
How did she take advantage of this kid exactly? In what way did she gain anything from this? From what was described in the story, she sounds (at best) like either an extreme fetishist or someone who gets off on manipulating people. Kind of seems like the type who thrives on the whole "You should've hit that!" idea, if that makes sense. So basically a nut like Starshine said lol
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 31, 2013 4:30:37 GMT -5
How did she take advantage of this kid exactly? In what way did she gain anything from this? SHE. F***ING. JUMPED HIM. He had to shove her away. I can't believe you're even asking how that's taking advantage of him. And I think what she tried to gain from this is pretty obvious.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 31, 2013 7:18:45 GMT -5
Her fiance must have really loved hearing how his betrothed was arrested for trying to blow a 16-year old.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 31, 2013 9:30:32 GMT -5
Sounds like the story in "Don't Stand So Close to Me." I'm glad she got caught and sentenced. Who finds a 16-year-old kid attractive, seriously? That is ridiculous. A 16yr old is definitely too young for me and I wouldn't mess around with one. That said, I've seen plenty of 16yr olds that are DAMN. Wasn't long ago in human history that 16 was considered marrying age and they went into puberty significantly later than they do now. Many females are far into development now at 16 and are quite "womanly". There is nothing pedo about it. Pedos like childish attributes. The librarian was wrong for what she did but she isn't a pedo.
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 2, 2013 2:07:38 GMT -5
How did she take advantage of this kid exactly? In what way did she gain anything from this? SHE. F***ING. JUMPED HIM. He had to shove her away. I can't believe you're even asking how that's taking advantage of him. And I think what she tried to gain from this is pretty obvious. Allegedly. Because all 16 year old boys always tell the absolute truth ("Yeah baby, that's my penis in this pic I'm sending you right now!") In essence, nobody has a concrete answer on how this kid was harmed. Hence 3 years and a guilty plea results in a slap on the wrist (and no sexual predator branding). I agree with this ruling and I'll tell you why-- for the sake of argument pretend the boy was also 30 years old. If we hold the guy accountable for his own actions and not just forgive all his sins because SHUCKS HE'S ONLY SIXTEEN it's easy to say that the 30 year old guy was leading this librarian on, hardcore. To a point where 'cruelty' would be the word I'd choose to use. Clearly this "30 year old" student set about to manipulate a librarian who wore her heart on her sleeve. The "30" initiated pornographic texts by sending a pic of a penis, and THEN she sent her bare breasts (most likely an attempt to keep up with the next level the GUY initiated, not the woman). The "30" at the end of the day was the one who had complete control over the situation-- as whenever "30" said 'no', the librarian backed off. She never forced herself on the "30", and even went as far as to ask "30" 'is this really what you want?' essentially giving him yet another out as she sensed his 'nervousness' (aka what the 16-year-olds are calling 'assholeness' these days). I'm sorry, this 16 year old is an asshole. Not a victim. Sure, the librarian is a child predator. Whoop-dee-doo, I'm more concerned with people giving assholes a free pass, if this guy sent penis pics to your 16-year-old sister would you NOT beat his greasy ass half to death, or would you say SHUCKS HE'S ONLY SIXTEEN THE WEE BABY CAN'T DO WROOONGG Also, if a bunch of 16-year-old kids raped that 30 year old teacher when her rendezvous with the kid turned ugly (imagine the boy sent the breast pics to his horndog teen friends, and they all had a mob-rule idea to force the librarian into group sex using the incriminating emails/sexts as blackmail) is the teacher still at fault? Anyone of you self-righteous double-standard gender apologists wanna take a crack at that one?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 18:56:28 GMT -5
SHE. F***ING. JUMPED HIM. He had to shove her away. I can't believe you're even asking how that's taking advantage of him. And I think what she tried to gain from this is pretty obvious. Also, if a bunch of 16-year-old kids raped that 30 year old teacher when her rendezvous with the kid turned ugly (imagine the boy sent the breast pics to his horndog teen friends, and they all had a mob-rule idea to force the librarian into group sex using the incriminating emails/sexts as blackmail) is the teacher still at fault? Anyone of you self-righteous double-standard gender apologists wanna take a crack at that one? You've gotta be kidding me.
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Post by Piccolo on Feb 2, 2013 19:12:13 GMT -5
Sounds like the story in "Don't Stand So Close to Me." I'm glad she got caught and sentenced. Who finds a 16-year-old kid attractive, seriously? That is ridiculous. A 16yr old is definitely too young for me and I wouldn't mess around with one. That said, I've seen plenty of 16yr olds that are DAMN. Wasn't long ago in human history that 16 was considered marrying age and they went into puberty significantly later than they do now. Many females are far into development now at 16 and are quite "womanly". There is nothing pedo about it. Pedos like childish attributes. The librarian was wrong for what she did but she isn't a pedo. Go back through my post and find where I said "pedo." You said it a number of times. I just asked who finds a 16-year-old attractive, and expressed relief that a 30-year-old who abused her position of authority was caught and sentenced. For the record, I'm 31. I have yet to see one 16-year-old boy who I would find sexually appealing. They are not mature, they are not men yet, and they are not only off-limits in the sense of "oh, I really wish I could, but it's illegal", they are off-limits in the sense of "I don't even understand why you would WANT to." They're so YOUNG.
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