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Post by Bone Daddy on Feb 4, 2013 14:37:53 GMT -5
Especially when they're cute girls? I'm not super in comics or sci fi or anything like that, but I can use wrestling as an example: When my friends (male or female) show interest in something like the Royal Rumble I'm THRILLED. I don't care that they aren't real fans, I'm happy to have them along for the ride (and to split the ppv Same goes for "fake" Red Sox fans. I don't really care that you didn't suffer for all those years like I did. I'm glad you're here and supporting the team. So what's the deal?
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 4, 2013 14:38:29 GMT -5
I didn't think it was unusual to be annoyed by cultural appropriation.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 14:40:21 GMT -5
It's a question of authenticity. People who are fairweather or trendy about anything are perceived to be shallow and only in it for the social rewards. Bandwagon jumping is generally the sign of poor character.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 14:43:02 GMT -5
Also, in the case of cute girls, a lot of folks (myself not included for a few reasons) hate the idea of being pandered to. They feel like they're being duped or talked down to just so someone else (i.e., this attractive girl) can feel good about herself or get paid. To go along with that, the chances of a model-like girl both pandering to a geek dude for whatever rewards (free drinks, buying their merch, I don't know, etc.) and then actually hanging out with geek dudes or participating seriously in geek culture seem slim.
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Post by JDviant on Feb 4, 2013 14:45:01 GMT -5
I don't like fake geeks because growing up, it was really crappy being a real geek! Kind of pisses me off that its cool now. However, if someones an actual geek then i couldn't care less. But I just don't like pretending. Same reason people who wear glasses with clear, non-prescription lenses still irk me. But being a fake geek, and someone who is just starting to enjoy the stuff, is two separate matters.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 4, 2013 14:45:02 GMT -5
The Fake Geeks I dislike are the ones that give news reports/online articles/videos about their expert opinion on games/movies/books when it's painfully obvious they are reading what somebody else wrote and has no interest in the subject material.
AKA: The model that pretends to be a gamer/sci fi nerd. The second they get in an impromptu interview they refer to Super Mario Galaxy as the best First Person Shooter since World of Warcraft.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 4, 2013 14:45:11 GMT -5
It's annoying when anybody pretends to be something they're not, if they say they haven't been following very long it's fine but if they pretend they've always been a hardcore fan it's not.
I'll leave sports out as that's a bit different.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 14:46:47 GMT -5
I can't say I'm really tech, math, or science-skilled enough to be an actual geek myself, but I think to me, it would feel like someone else is forcing their way into your business instead of minding their own.
Sometimes, maybe even often, you just don't want that sort of notice from infiltrators.
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Post by Bone Daddy on Feb 4, 2013 14:47:29 GMT -5
Also, in the case of cute girls, a lot of folks (myself not included for a few reasons) hate the idea of being pandered to. They feel like they're being duped or talked down to just so someone else (i.e., this attractive girl) can feel good about herself or get paid. To go along with that, the chances of a model-like girl both pandering to a geek dude for whatever rewards (free drinks, buying their merch, I don't know, etc.) and then actually hanging out with geek dudes or participating seriously in geek culture seem slim. The idea of not liking someone because they're TRYING TO GET YOU TO LIKE THEM seems crazy to me. If they're doing it to take your money, sure, but if it's in an effort to be more attractive to you.. I don't get it
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 4, 2013 14:48:12 GMT -5
The problem with this mindset is that nerds can't believe that attractive women can be nerds as well. Like they have to "prove" their nerdiness. Which is asinine and pretty sexist on top of it.
EDIT: See Orange's post below. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.
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Post by Orange on Feb 4, 2013 14:48:12 GMT -5
This is the first thing that came to mind, especially where cute girls are concerned. I'm not a geek and I've never considered myself such, but I would hate to be a cute girl who happened to be a geek. They seem to have their fandom questioned at every turn just because they happen to be attractive. I'm not saying there aren't fake geeks out there of both sexes, but there seems to be a lot of generalization and "are you? really?" when it comes to the more attractive examples.
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Post by JDviant on Feb 4, 2013 14:50:32 GMT -5
The problem with this mindset is that nerds can't believe that attractive women can be nerds as well. Like they have to "prove" their nerdiness. Which is asinine and pretty sexist on top of it. I do like how some are so transcendent of a nerd that they'll question ANYONE, man or woman, who tries to compare themselves to them ;D Those ones are so wonderful/horrible!
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 4, 2013 14:55:19 GMT -5
Also, in the case of cute girls, a lot of folks (myself not included for a few reasons) hate the idea of being pandered to. They feel like they're being duped or talked down to just so someone else (i.e., this attractive girl) can feel good about herself or get paid. To go along with that, the chances of a model-like girl both pandering to a geek dude for whatever rewards (free drinks, buying their merch, I don't know, etc.) and then actually hanging out with geek dudes or participating seriously in geek culture seem slim. The idea of not liking someone because they're TRYING TO GET YOU TO LIKE THEM seems crazy to me. If they're doing it to take your money, sure, but if it's in an effort to be more attractive to you.. I don't get it Not that I have much of an opinion about the female geek thing, but pretending to like something for the sole purpose of appearing attractive to the opposite gender is stupid no matter who does it.
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Post by Orange on Feb 4, 2013 14:57:15 GMT -5
The problem with this mindset is that nerds can't believe that attractive women can be nerds as well. Like they have to "prove" their nerdiness. Which is asinine and pretty sexist on top of it. EDIT: See Orange's post below. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Heh, I was typing my post before I saw yours - but I'm in complete agreement with what you are saying, especially the sexist bit. I get that geeks have always had kind of a hard time, and I can see why some of them might feel that attractive girls aren't being sincere, but I feel bad for the ones that are. They're the only group who has to name the song of the opening credits of every NES game, the various publishers, what the inspiration for the game(s) was, every level and how to beat every level etc. etc.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 4, 2013 14:58:50 GMT -5
The idea of not liking someone because they're TRYING TO GET YOU TO LIKE THEM seems crazy to me. If they're doing it to take your money, sure, but if it's in an effort to be more attractive to you.. I don't get it Not that I have much of an opinion about the female geek thing, but pretending to like something for the sole purpose of appearing attractive to the opposite gender is stupid no matter who does it. That's just a natural behavior, though. I remember the days of guys watching Grey's Anatomy to score points. What bothers me is not when it's yknow something related to personal relationships or courting but just someone trying to act like they've made investments in stuff that they haven't. People who know "all about" or are "huge fans" of something but they watched a Nostalgia Critic video on it. It's a lack of integrity, people should be honest about what they're into.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 4, 2013 14:59:15 GMT -5
Some of it is elitism, some of it is sexism, but sometimes, it is a little less insidious than that and they are just annoyed at being pandered to. These same people take offense at "Gamer Fuel!" advertisement or ign and kotaku's, uhh, most anything.
I really do wish things change and gamers become more accepting and open, but I can understand the tribalism to a degree.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 14:59:29 GMT -5
Personally, I have no problem appropriating geek-aimed t-shirts for no specific reason and no massive background in their origin.
But then, I'm non-descript and bland otherwise, so nobody's going to notice me enough to call me out on it anyway. And I'm fine with that. I'm not trying to score points with anybody anyway.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 15:04:36 GMT -5
But being a fake geek, and someone who is just starting to enjoy the stuff, is two separate matters. The problem with this mindset is that nerds can't believe that attractive women can be nerds as well. Like they have to "prove" their nerdiness. Which is asinine and pretty sexist on top of it. I agree with these posts, too. I don't think people should be sexist about this, and I don't think someone getting into a subculture is the same as a "tourist" type. My post before was mostly devil's advocate stuff concerning this specific subject. I mean, I can name a real good friend of mine who struck me as an immense poser. He had a passing interest in punk (a few singles), and then would bail on me for going to actual concerts. He also once talked about wanting to slick his hair into some kind of mohawk or fauhawk or spikes or something when I invited him to a show -- a style he had never worn before. It's just really off-putting and makes the subculture feel like a joke.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 15:07:13 GMT -5
Also, in the case of cute girls, a lot of folks (myself not included for a few reasons) hate the idea of being pandered to. They feel like they're being duped or talked down to just so someone else (i.e., this attractive girl) can feel good about herself or get paid. To go along with that, the chances of a model-like girl both pandering to a geek dude for whatever rewards (free drinks, buying their merch, I don't know, etc.) and then actually hanging out with geek dudes or participating seriously in geek culture seem slim. The idea of not liking someone because they're TRYING TO GET YOU TO LIKE THEM seems crazy to me. If they're doing it to take your money, sure, but if it's in an effort to be more attractive to you.. I don't get it The idea is that they're pandering for the sake of pandering. They're not expressing who they really are and it's disingenuous. I mean, if someone is attracted to you and takes a genuine interest in your subculture/hobby/sports team, God bless, but if it's just to entertain some passing fancy and get in your good graces to make them look cooler, that seems--and is--faking it. Obviously, there are fine lines here and this stuff should be judged on a case-by-case basis; I'm just talking the psychology at hand.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Feb 4, 2013 15:09:34 GMT -5
I just think it's annoying how being a "geek/nerd" has turned into such a fad. It's almost like how being "punk" was a thing when Blink 182 and Good Charlotte were the big things. Half of the people now who claim to be "SUPER GEEK NERDS" will move on to the next fad when it comes along.
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