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Post by Bone Daddy on Feb 4, 2013 15:11:17 GMT -5
The idea of not liking someone because they're TRYING TO GET YOU TO LIKE THEM seems crazy to me. If they're doing it to take your money, sure, but if it's in an effort to be more attractive to you.. I don't get it The idea is that they're pandering for the sake of pandering. They're not expressing who they really are and it's disingenuous. I mean, if someone is attracted to you and takes a genuine interest in your subculture/hobby/sports team, God bless, but if it's just to entertain some passing fancy and get in your good graces to make them look cooler, that seems--and is--faking it. Obviously, there are fine lines here and this stuff should be judged on a case-by-case basis; I'm just talking the psychology at hand. Just for the sake of argument, I don't see how this is really different from, for example: I like sushi, girl doesn't, girl tries sushi because she knows I like it. Whether a girl likes sushi (or comics, or whatever) if she's giving it a try to impress(probably a bad choice of words) me, how can I crap on that?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 15:14:21 GMT -5
I've never had the inclination to be a massive full-on fan of anything at a deep level.
People would probably consider me fake (except when it comes to following 410 Sprint racing), but aside from the possibility of "negative publicity" coming from a mass influx of "passing interest" people into your fan-group and acting out in a way that generates negative word-of-mouth or what have you, there aren't many other reasons to get too outraged.
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Post by Orange on Feb 4, 2013 15:15:54 GMT -5
I just think it's annoying how being a "geek/nerd" has turned into such a fad. It's almost like how being "punk" was a thing when Blink 182 and Good Charlotte were the big things. Half of the people now who claim to be "SUPER GEEK NERDS" will move on to the next fad when it comes along. Well sure, there's "posers" with every fandom, no matter how major or minor. The difference is that, in the eyes of some gamers/geeks, every girl that happens to be above average is clearly faking and is just doing it to try to look cool. Never before have I seen a fandom that has such a lax "rulebook" for one sex (males), and such a complex, unfair one for another sex (females). Like M.O. and the comic I posted say, if you're a dude and you're a geek? Right on, brother. However, if you're a chick you better be ready to PROVE that fandom before you can be accepted into the Cult of Geek-iness. And if you're an attractive person who likes typical nerdy things, you better not be a casual fan of ______. You're a fan of Mario? Not until you've completed every single Mario game on the highest difficulty and can name every character that has ever appeared in any Mario media EVER. If you're not hardcore, you're clearly a poser.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Feb 4, 2013 15:17:13 GMT -5
See, I think anybody can be a nerd or a geek about something they're passionate about.
I guess, to me, when it comes to wrestling.. I'll get a little self-conscious about people jumping in, because I'm not 100% sure of their motives. Wrestling IS a very easy think to pick apart and mock... and I'm cool with that, but if I'm in the mood to just lose myself in it, that can be annoying.
Now, if someone wants to give an honest chance and try to find out what I like so much about it, then cool! I have no problem with that. If someone isn't a big gamer and wants to play something, I'm totally down with that. I always figure the more the merrier when it comes to things I enjoy, just as long as they do have a real interest in it, or at least in finding out what I see in it. After that, if it just isn't for them then cool... no problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 15:19:43 GMT -5
The idea is that they're pandering for the sake of pandering. They're not expressing who they really are and it's disingenuous. I mean, if someone is attracted to you and takes a genuine interest in your subculture/hobby/sports team, God bless, but if it's just to entertain some passing fancy and get in your good graces to make them look cooler, that seems--and is--faking it. Obviously, there are fine lines here and this stuff should be judged on a case-by-case basis; I'm just talking the psychology at hand. Just for the sake of argument, I don't see how this is really different from, for example: I like sushi, girl doesn't, girl tries sushi because she knows I like it. Whether a girl likes sushi (or comics, or whatever) if she's giving it a try to impress(probably a bad choice of words) me, how can I crap on that? That's different than already claiming to LOVE something. If a "non-geek" were to say, "Hey I'm kind of interested in XYZ comic, can you tell me more about it?" is not the same as "OH MAN! I LOVE XYZ COMIC - its the best ever!" If people are going to be fake, then why bother with them? Who knows what they'll be fake about next...
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 4, 2013 15:20:07 GMT -5
I've never had the inclination to be a massive full-on fan of anything at a deep level. People would probably consider me fake Why would someone fake being a giant fox?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 15:20:52 GMT -5
But more to the original point of the thread:
Why wouldn't you hate anyone who is a fake anything? Geek or otherwise.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 15:24:25 GMT -5
I've never had the inclination to be a massive full-on fan of anything at a deep level. People would probably consider me fake Why would someone fake being a giant fox? Why would a giant fox fake being Captain America?
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 4, 2013 15:25:10 GMT -5
I keep saying hate, and I think that's an awfully strong word. I think the typical reaction is annoyance.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Feb 4, 2013 15:26:52 GMT -5
But more to the original point of the thread: Why wouldn't you hate anyone who is a fake anything? Geek or otherwise. Indeed
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Post by Dat Dude on Feb 4, 2013 15:27:36 GMT -5
I'm only found it annoying when it comes to dating.
Someone claims they're into something, you become excited that you found a kindred spirit, but then when you talk about it passionately with them they admit that they really not into it. Then when you offer to introduce them to stuff, they flake out. This has happened to me on more than one occasion.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 15:33:56 GMT -5
The idea is that they're pandering for the sake of pandering. They're not expressing who they really are and it's disingenuous. I mean, if someone is attracted to you and takes a genuine interest in your subculture/hobby/sports team, God bless, but if it's just to entertain some passing fancy and get in your good graces to make them look cooler, that seems--and is--faking it. Obviously, there are fine lines here and this stuff should be judged on a case-by-case basis; I'm just talking the psychology at hand. Just for the sake of argument, I don't see how this is really different from, for example: I like sushi, girl doesn't, girl tries sushi because she knows I like it. Whether a girl likes sushi (or comics, or whatever) if she's giving it a try to impress(probably a bad choice of words) me, how can I crap on that? This is not the same at all. A revised version of your example: You like sushi, girl doesn't. Girl still wants your approval for whatever reason so it becomes, "I LOVE SUSHI! I'M A HUGE SUSHI FAN!" You go, "Oh really? Let's talk sushi." And then she can't talk sushi or displays a passing interest in it, showing that her interest is less in the sushi itself and more in getting the attention. She is a shallow sushi fan claiming to be otherwise. Everyone has passing interests or things they're casually interested in. Pretending to be on the same level as someone who is "hardcore" is incredibly grating. I enjoy comics and read them regularly for a while ages ago but don't profess to be on the same level as someone who is following the Marvel universe. From an anecdotal perspective, my girlfriend shows interest in certain hobbies/things I'm into because she wants to be good to me and show me she cares. That's fine, and I'm lucky to have her. She's gone with me to wrestling events and enjoyed herself; same with a basketball game even though she's not a sports fan. The difference is her coming home and projecting the persona of someone who is a die-hard ROH mark or a fan of the Sonics circa 1996. That would be disingenuous. Also, I understand that this argument started by talking about girls, but it can cover guys very easily.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 4, 2013 15:34:43 GMT -5
Instead of a straight answer, I'll pose a few questions:
1. Does anyone know actual geeks who are "geek chic?"
2. If you call yourself a geek, does that make you a geek?
3. What makes someone a geek? Is it passion? Is it knowledge? Is it a title or is it a state of being?
4. Why would someone want to be a geek? Why wouldn't they prefer to just be a fan of something?
5. How much of geek misogyny is legitimate and how much is stereotyping?
6. Does investment count for nothing?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 15:36:55 GMT -5
Just for the sake of argument, I don't see how this is really different from, for example: I like sushi, girl doesn't, girl tries sushi because she knows I like it. Whether a girl likes sushi (or comics, or whatever) if she's giving it a try to impress(probably a bad choice of words) me, how can I crap on that? This is not the same at all. A revised version of your example: You like sushi, girl doesn't. Girl still wants your approval for whatever reason so it becomes, "I LOVE SUSHI! I'M A HUGE SUSHI FAN!" You go, "Oh really? Let's talk sushi." And then she can't talk sushi or displays a passing interest in it, showing that her interest is less in the sushi itself and more in getting the attention. I understand that this argument started by talking about girls, but it can cover guys very easily. Plus - I mean, let's be honest here. Girls don't need to fake anything to get a guy's interest.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 4, 2013 15:37:21 GMT -5
Just for the sake of argument, I don't see how this is really different from, for example: I like sushi, girl doesn't, girl tries sushi because she knows I like it. Whether a girl likes sushi (or comics, or whatever) if she's giving it a try to impress(probably a bad choice of words) me, how can I crap on that? This is not the same at all. A revised version of your example: You like sushi, girl doesn't. Girl still wants your approval for whatever reason so it becomes, "I LOVE SUSHI! I'M A HUGE SUSHI FAN!" You go, "Oh really? Let's talk sushi." And then she can't talk sushi or displays a passing interest in it, showing that her interest is less in the sushi itself and more in getting the attention. I understand that this argument started by talking about girls, but it can cover guys very easily. Good point, that's why I didn't want to mention sports as you see a lot of men jumping on bandwagons or trying to make out they're a bigger fan than they really are. Also when it comes to comic books I think some fans need to accept that some of the big characters now transcend their medium with TV, film and videogame adaptations. Although again it's different if they claim to be a hardcore fan that's always loved reading comics.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 4, 2013 15:38:50 GMT -5
I keep saying hate, and I think that's an awfully strong word. I think the typical reaction is annoyance. Finally, someone else who thinks this way. I would bet that no one on this board hates anything. Just loathe at worst.
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Post by Cela on Feb 4, 2013 15:39:16 GMT -5
Some of it is the bandwagon backlash present in everything.
But mostly, geeks get teased their entire life, but power through, then suddenly they're in vogue, and all these "geeks" come out of the woodwork.
Sort of a, You don't appreciate our struggle! sort of thing.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 15:39:31 GMT -5
Instead of a straight answer, I'll pose a few questions: 1. Does anyone know actual geeks who are "geek chic?" 2. If you call yourself a geek, does that make you a geek? 3. What makes someone a geek? Is it passion? Is it knowledge? Is it a title or is it a state of being? 4. Why would someone want to be a geek? Why wouldn't they prefer to just be a fan of something? 5. How much of geek misogyny is legitimate and how much is stereotyping? 6. Does investment count for nothing? Let me add one. 7. Do people just expect too much?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 4, 2013 15:40:57 GMT -5
This is not the same at all. A revised version of your example: You like sushi, girl doesn't. Girl still wants your approval for whatever reason so it becomes, "I LOVE SUSHI! I'M A HUGE SUSHI FAN!" You go, "Oh really? Let's talk sushi." And then she can't talk sushi or displays a passing interest in it, showing that her interest is less in the sushi itself and more in getting the attention. I understand that this argument started by talking about girls, but it can cover guys very easily. Good point, that's why I didn't want to mention sports as you see a lot of men jumping on bandwagons or trying to make out they're a bigger fan than they really are. Also when it comes to comic books I think some fans need to realise that some of the big characters now transcend their medium with TV, film and videogames. It's a good comparison though. Your second point is good too.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 15:45:00 GMT -5
While I'm here venting and avoiding work, I'll say that the big example that comes to mind of people who are non-geeks jumping on a relatively geeky bandwagon is when there was a petition floating around to make Heath Ledger the last Joker ever. These people wanted the Joker retired from film because Heath was so good: www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/12/ledgerjokercampaign.screeningroom/index.htmlGive me a break. This character has been around for decades and portrayed in a handful of different forms and now just because you're so into this character because it's the hot thing, you want a moratorium on the Joker for everyone else? That just smacks of bandwagonism and appropriation to me. Invoking things like geek cred tests seems like an OK thing to do when people do stuff like that. To get all uppity geek, I doubt that the people who signed this petition have much familiarity with the comics Joker and its impact on the Dark Knight one, much less other movie and TV Jokers who should be in the running.
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