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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 4, 2013 15:47:17 GMT -5
I've never had the inclination to be a massive full-on fan of anything at a deep level. People would probably consider me fake (except when it comes to following 410 Sprint racing), but aside from the possibility of "negative publicity" coming from a mass influx of "passing interest" people into your fan-group and acting out in a way that generates negative word-of-mouth or what have you, there aren't many other reasons to get too outraged. I'm similar; I'm a closet fan of nearly everything I'm into. I think when one can casually rattle off facts and understand jargon (as well as speak it), authenticity will ring through. But then again, you seem to indicate that you don't parade your passions like you're such a huge fan anyway; in that way, you at least are being more honest, more genuine, and not phony.
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Post by Toxik916 on Feb 4, 2013 15:47:27 GMT -5
I honestly don't give a f*** about another person's level of interest in things I'm passionate about. Elitism is retarded especially when it comes to nerdy s***.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 4, 2013 15:50:51 GMT -5
I honestly don't give a f*** about another person's level of interest is in things I'm passionate about. Elitism is retarded especially when it comes to nerdy s***. I think there's a difference between elitism and expecting to be able to take people at their word in terms of their passions and interests. Like I really enjoy Planet of the Apes, and would love to meet someone who enjoys it on the level that I do. If someone was all yeah I love Planet of the Apes but then I find hasn't watched the movies and when they do they're like why are they protesting like hippies this is boring I'd be frustrated.
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 15:53:35 GMT -5
I honestly don't give a f*** about another person's level of interest is in things I'm passionate about. Elitism is retarded especially when it comes to nerdy s***. I think there's a difference between elitism and expecting to be able to take people at their word in terms of their passions and interests. Like I really enjoy Planet of the Apes, and would love to meet someone who enjoys it on the level that I do. If someone was all yeah I love Planet of the Apes but then I find hasn't watched the movies and when they do they're like why are they protesting like hippies this is boring I'd be frustrated. Preach KG. Plus, fakery and appropriation are lame concepts. Elitism >>>>> Fakery
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 4, 2013 15:54:30 GMT -5
Some of it is the bandwagon backlash present in everything. But mostly, geeks get teased their entire life, but power through, then suddenly they're in vogue, and all these "geeks" come out of the woodwork. Sort of a, You don't appreciate our struggle! sort of thing. I'd say this is a big reason. I don't think it makes the more...extreme reactions some people have when trying to determine who's being genuine okay, but I can see how someone would be put off by it, especially if they get the sense they're being pandered to. OTOH, I think the acceptance of what was once considered nerdy might be permanent, given the increased access people have to more diverse interests due to more information available. Personally, I'm not all that concerned or annoyed if someone's a "bandwagon fan" of something I like- if they don't want to stick with it, it's their loss. I'm a lot more fine with a poser than a blind hater.
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Post by Bone Daddy on Feb 4, 2013 15:55:57 GMT -5
I think the "new mediums for old characters" thing is a really good point.
I hate when I hear someone saying someone that's a fan of the Spiderman movies but doesn't read the comics isn't a real fan. Who cares how they choose to enjoy their Spiderman.
Same goes for Star Trek and Dr. Who.
If you love the new stuff why should you HAVE to go back and watch the old stuff to be considered a real fan?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 15:57:42 GMT -5
I've never had the inclination to be a massive full-on fan of anything at a deep level. People would probably consider me fake (except when it comes to following 410 Sprint racing), but aside from the possibility of "negative publicity" coming from a mass influx of "passing interest" people into your fan-group and acting out in a way that generates negative word-of-mouth or what have you, there aren't many other reasons to get too outraged. I'm similar; I'm a closet fan of nearly everything I'm into. I think when one can casually rattle off facts and understand jargon (as well as speak it), authenticity will ring through. But then again, you seem to indicate that you don't parade your passions like you're such a huge fan anyway; in that way, you at least are being more honest, more genuine, and not phony. Yeah, there really isn't anything I can point to and say "OK, this is me, this is what I'm all about." And honestly, I'm not even comfortable with being 'labelled' like that. While this means I'm not an easy person to get to know, it also means if someone can put up with me long enough to do so, and still stand to be around me, they'll probably become fairly close. I think sometimes people are just looking for that single easy hook to latch onto with people, and it's not always that easy. They question someone's interests thoroughly because they want that hook to be there.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 4, 2013 15:58:49 GMT -5
I think the "new mediums for old characters" thing is a really good point. I hate when I hear someone saying someone that's a fan of the Spiderman movies but doesn't read the comics isn't a real fan. Who cares how they choose to enjoy their Spiderman. Same goes for Star Trek and Dr. Who. If you love the new stuff why should you HAVE to go back and watch the old stuff to be considered a real fan? In that situation, it's more because it's a watered down version of the character that was adapted for easy mass consumption.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 4, 2013 15:59:01 GMT -5
I'd say fakery is easily the lesser of the two evils, considering it's not typically used as a platform for people to be jerks. One concept's a mild annoyance at best, the other can corrupt (not to sound excessively dramatic, but that's the best way I can put it).
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Post by salsashark on Feb 4, 2013 15:59:38 GMT -5
I think the "new mediums for old characters" thing is a really good point. I hate when I hear someone saying someone that's a fan of the Spiderman movies but doesn't read the comics isn't a real fan. Who cares how they choose to enjoy their Spiderman. Same goes for Star Trek and Dr. Who. If you love the new stuff why should you HAVE to go back and watch the old stuff to be considered a real fan? There's nothing wrong with that at all. I'm a fan of the Star Trek movie, not any of the series. That said, I wouldn't call myself a Star Trek fan, I'd call myself a Star Trek movie fan. It's nitpicking, yes, but when someone says the name of a property, you're usually thinking of the original source material and not the stuff spawned thereafter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 16:02:50 GMT -5
Just to clarify terms here - there's a difference between "fake geeks" and "people who just aren't OBSESSED with something"
The first flat out lie about how much they like something to either be a part of the group or trick someone for some reason.
The second are just "casual fans" who don't care to know every intimate detail about a team/comic/movie etc.
If you're talking about the second group, then I don't consider them "fake geeks" - they're just people who kinda like something.
The first group is who I think of when I see/hear the words "fake geek" and accordingly I don't care for them.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 4, 2013 16:05:34 GMT -5
Some of it is the bandwagon backlash present in everything. But mostly, geeks get teased their entire life, but power through, then suddenly they're in vogue, and all these "geeks" come out of the woodwork. Sort of a, You don't appreciate our struggle! sort of thing. I think this is the heart of it. It's the same mentality that might bother urban black people when white suburban people act like they're tough and "from the streets" because they listened to some NWA or Public Enemy. Now granted that is an issue which runs deeper than geekery, but there is a similar theme of persecution and then wannabe turnaround. I think one problem I have with pop geek culture is that I don't believe geekdom is something you basically wear; it's not a title. It's not the sci-fi/fantasy/comic books/games/etc that make you a geek. It's your passion and knowledge for them that do. Furthermore, I don't believe that one chooses to be a geek; your passion and knowledge drive you there. In some ways, you earn it, for better or worse. That said, there are a couple of sayings that apply: 1) real can smell real (though geeks should be better about that) but also 2) to err is human, but forgiveness is divine.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 4, 2013 16:05:48 GMT -5
Just to clarify terms here - there's a difference between "fake geeks" and "people who just aren't OBSESSED with something" The first flat out lie about how much they like something to either be a part of the group or trick someone for some reason. The second are just "casual fans" who don't care to know every intimate detail about a team/comic/movie etc. If you're talking about the second group, then I don't consider them "fake geeks" - they're just people who kinda like something. The first group is who I think of when I see/hear the words "fake geek" and accordingly I don't care for them. From what I can tell, the first group- while it does exist- is a bit rarer.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2013 16:07:40 GMT -5
1) real can smell real (though geeks should be better about that). And it usually smells like month old sweat covered up by Axe body spray.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 16:09:14 GMT -5
Just to clarify terms here - there's a difference between "fake geeks" and "people who just aren't OBSESSED with something" The first flat out lie about how much they like something to either be a part of the group or trick someone for some reason. The second are just "casual fans" who don't care to know every intimate detail about a team/comic/movie etc. If you're talking about the second group, then I don't consider them "fake geeks" - they're just people who kinda like something. The first group is who I think of when I see/hear the words "fake geek" and accordingly I don't care for them. From what I can tell, the first group- while it does exist- is a bit rarer. Most definitely, but the idea that someone would fake interest in something to be a part of the group isn't a new concept at all - its just something that's being called out heavily online now because, for the most part, the culture that's being disingenuously liked is Geek Chic.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 4, 2013 16:10:30 GMT -5
1) real can smell real (though geeks should be better about that). And it usually smells like month old sweat covered up by Axe body spray. Precisely. Only in geekdom is that phrase literal. That said, the increase of women in geek circles is fixing that one a little - a beneficial side effect.
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Post by Orange on Feb 4, 2013 16:10:56 GMT -5
I think this is the heart of it. It's the same mentality that might bother urban black people when white suburban people act like they're tough and "from the streets" because they listened to some NWA or Public Enemy. Oh, you mean this guy. ;D
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 4, 2013 16:14:40 GMT -5
Just to clarify terms here - there's a difference between "fake geeks" and "people who just aren't OBSESSED with something" The first flat out lie about how much they like something to either be a part of the group or trick someone for some reason. The second are just "casual fans" who don't care to know every intimate detail about a team/comic/movie etc. If you're talking about the second group, then I don't consider them "fake geeks" - they're just people who kinda like something. The first group is who I think of when I see/hear the words "fake geek" and accordingly I don't care for them. The problem is that many geeks often consider the second group to be the first group.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 16:15:07 GMT -5
I think this is the heart of it. It's the same mentality that might bother urban black people when white suburban people act like they're tough and "from the streets" because they listened to some NWA or Public Enemy. Oh, you mean this guy. I see your vid and raise you Ras Trent: ;D
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Post by Welfare Willis on Feb 4, 2013 16:15:21 GMT -5
I just think it's annoying how being a "geek/nerd" has turned into such a fad. It's almost like how being "punk" was a thing when Blink 182 and Good Charlotte were the big things. Half of the people now who claim to be "SUPER GEEK NERDS" will move on to the next fad when it comes along. Yup, it's geek without the suffering or knowledge of being a geek. However, I do think guys have to get over cute girl geeks having to prove their geek cred. Because she can't name all the supergirl aliases or the third boss in Ocarina of Time doesn't make her less of a geek.
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