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[Banecat]

Anyone who benefits from nepotism wouldn't get cut unless they are extremely bad.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

May 18, 2013 14:16:28 GMT -5 cool guy said:

May 18, 2013 2:36:50 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

The way I see it, WWE should make the effort to book every active wrestler in at least one appearance on WWE programming a week doing something of relative substance. Absolutely no one should be booked more than once unless extra spots have to be filled after everyone has been given something to do.

And this is why having a real brand split is important.

Not just a brand split, but also different teams running them. The best WWE shows for YEARS have been the ones least connected with the primary product: WWECW, current NXT, Smackdown when it resigned itself to being the B show. They got out of that mindset where the whole point is just showing who's the coolest and the toughest, and they got into the mindset of just putting on a show.

[crowwreak was WRONG]

They'll never cut Orton because TNA or ROH would take him, regardless of their ability to use him (and he uses his real name so they can promote him as such)

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

May 18, 2013 14:46:30 GMT -5 Banecat said:

Anyone who benefits from nepotism wouldn't get cut unless they are extremely bad.

I believe that's the Wes Brisco Law

[BigWill]

May 18, 2013 15:22:17 GMT -5 crowwreak was WRONG said:

They'll never cut Orton because TNA or ROH would take him, regardless of their ability to use him (and he uses his real name so they can promote him as such)

As if the WWE cares about TNA or ROH taking their sloppy seconds.

[Madagascar Fred]

I'm also 100% sure that a REAL brand split needs to be reinstated if they want to keep this big quantity of talent around

most top stars and established talent plus a few promising new faces (f.e. Sandow, Shield, Fandango) on RAW

promising newcomers and brandnew NXT prospects (f.e. Wyatt Family, Ohno, Graves, Paige) plus a few selected veterans (perfect role for Christian, Kane, Jericho, Orton) on Samckdown

new signees plus guys who still need some work on NXT

whats wrong with this? Smackdown's network complaining about the lack of stars?

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

May 18, 2013 16:08:54 GMT -5 Madagascar Fred said:

I'm also 100% sure that a REAL brand split needs to be reinstated if they want to keep this big quantity of talent around

most top stars and established talent plus a few promising new faces (f.e. Sandow, Shield, Fandango) on RAW

promising newcomers and brandnew NXT prospects (f.e. Wyatt Family, Ohno, Graves, Paige) plus a few selected veterans (perfect role for Christian, Kane, Jericho, Orton) on Samckdown

new signees plus guys who still need some work on NXT

whats wrong with this? Smackdown's network complaining about the lack of stars?

I agree with this idea to some extent. I think that SmackDown should resign itself to the B-brand, but I think the concept of an actual brand split where we're actually supposed to believe the brands are equal is dead. I think SmackDown should be centered primarily around the midcard, with those established names you mentioned being used strictly to "put butts in seats" and nothing more, rather than as a flimsy attempt at pretending that SmackDown is equal to RAW or retaining credibility for the "Top Faces Not Named John Cena" by making them the big fish in a small pond (which is pretty much all the SmackDown brand is at this point).

I think a casual brand split with minimal crossover is okay, but WWE still needs to make sure that everyone is booked to do something.


All Top guys primarily on RAW with the occasional midcard appearance

All mid-level guys on SmackDown with rotating advertised appearances by main-eventers for the sake of popping ticket sales and ratings. Smackdown should basically be a less over-the-top and clusterf***-y version of NXT Redemption. Feuds, storylines, and promo time for midcarders so that they can get over.

[Madagascar Fred]

whats wrong with clearly establishing 3 brands as NOT EQUAL?

RAW as the A-show (main eventers, returning top stars, celebrities involvement, CEO appearances, hottest young stars, "entertainment heavy", occasional/rare appearances from SD guys)

SD as the B-show (established veterans, newcomers, hot young NXT prospects, RARE appearances from separate GM similar to Jack Tunney's involvements back in the days, maybe separate divas division)

NXT as the C-show (brandnew signees, young talent thats not quite ready for the bigger shows, occasional appearances from SD guys and veterans like Regal, Foley, Dusty etc)

on the house shows you keep the WWE name and put in guys from all 3 brands, change them up constantly

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May 18, 2013 16:37:34 GMT -5 Madagascar Fred said:

whats wrong with clearly establishing 3 brands as NOT EQUAL?

RAW as the A-show (main eventers, returning top stars, celebrities involvement, CEO appearances, hottest young stars, "entertainment heavy", occasional/rare appearances from SD guys)

SD as the B-show (established veterans, newcomers, hot young NXT prospects, RARE appearances from separate GM similar to Jack Tunney's involvements back in the days, maybe separate divas division)

NXT as the C-show (brandnew signees, young talent thats not quite ready for the bigger shows, occasional appearances from SD guys and veterans like Regal, Foley, Dusty etc)

on the house shows you keep the WWE name and put in guys from all 3 brands, change them up constantly

Isn't that pretty much how it's set up now?

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

May 18, 2013 17:47:16 GMT -5 @robvancam said:

May 18, 2013 16:37:34 GMT -5 Madagascar Fred said:

whats wrong with clearly establishing 3 brands as NOT EQUAL?

RAW as the A-show (main eventers, returning top stars, celebrities involvement, CEO appearances, hottest young stars, "entertainment heavy", occasional/rare appearances from SD guys)

SD as the B-show (established veterans, newcomers, hot young NXT prospects, RARE appearances from separate GM similar to Jack Tunney's involvements back in the days, maybe separate divas division)

NXT as the C-show (brandnew signees, young talent thats not quite ready for the bigger shows, occasional appearances from SD guys and veterans like Regal, Foley, Dusty etc)

on the house shows you keep the WWE name and put in guys from all 3 brands, change them up constantly

Isn't that pretty much how it's set up now?

Found this quote on another forum that gives a pejorative, but accurate description of SD:

"SmackDown is like a graveyard for failed pushes. Sheamus, ADR, Swagger, and then guys like Orton, Show and Henry who can't be involved in major feuds on Raw for whatever reason. It's like a vortex, these guys aren't good/relevant enough for the main event but for whatever reason WWE still wants them to be stars, so they stick them on SmackDown where they can be protected for no reason and compete in meaningless filler feuds with one another in a seemingly endless cycle....

...At some point the sitcom writers lost sight of what they were trying to achieve and now the show is written like a sitcom, with the characters only really interacting with whoever they happen to be feuding with at that time, and one of these feuds happens to contain the WHC. It also doesn't help that the show is used solely as a vehicle to try and promote a single stale, substandard face. First it was Orton, then Sheamus and now Del Rio. The show is entirely centered around making one of these guys look good, meaning that it's extremely predictable and tedious. We talk about Cena being shoved down people's throats on Raw but Smackdown is far worse in that regard, it's pretty much just become a vain attempt to retain credibility for guys that they know wouldn't be able to hack it in the true main event scene on Raw."



Smackdown IS the B-brand, but WWE pretends that the two brands are equal for the sake of trying to keep a few of their top guys afloat. It would be better if WWE dropped this facade, and let the lesser, unestablished stars thrive on SmackDown while the big boys who would be on RAW anyway can officially be on the RAW brand. Let SmackDown be the place for newer guys to get over and establish themselves, instead of just being RAW-lite. SmackDown right now is just the playground for the "Top faces not named John Cena".

In relation to the thread topic, a total restructuring of the brand split would give more talents something to do, and talented workers with potential won't get released due to "Creative not having anything" for them.

[Madagascar Fred]

^^ yeah but not enough SPLIT in brand split right now

ATM everybody except Cena & Punk appear on both Raw & SD

in my eyes SD only needs a few selected veterans (Christian, jericho, kane, orton, maybe Miz) and MANY newcomers who debuted within the last 1-3 years (3MB, Barrett, Big E, Cesaro), plus quite a few brandnew faces elevated from NXT (Wyatt Family, Graves, Ohno, Ascension). plus a SD only (no RAW involvement of any kind) divas division with Kaitlyn, Layla, AJ, Tamina, Nattie and 2-3 new divas (Paige, Emma, Summer or Sasha), GM Booker/Teddy/whoever appears OCASSIONALLY for important matters

RAW would feature the top stars/protected guys(Cena, Punk, Sheamus, Shield, Bryan, Ryback, Ziggler, Alberto, Henry, Fandango...), a few JTTS that COULD get elevated if needed (Bourne, Gabriel, Sandow, Kofi, Cody, Tyson...) and a few tag teams to spice it up a bit since there's no divas division (Tons of funk, PTP, Usos, maybe Sin Cara/Gabriel or Awesome Truth...). plus parttimers (Brock, Rock, Taker), surprising returning parttimers (maybe Batista, RVD), occasional SD appearances, and the OCCASIONAL COOHHH appearance for important matters

[Madagascar Fred]

my post was a reply to RVC's reply

[cool guy]

I think Roidzilla's basically spot-on, but I'll add that I think that there's a real purpose to having veteran talent on a more minor brand, because a lot of the time it was to experiment with booking those guys in ways that you wouldn't get to on the A Show. I mean that's how ECW taught us that Mark Henry is an amazing monster heel, or that Christian is a great take-all-comers face champion. The point of it is to try some new things with these people, and then if it works you can maybe try to move that up to a bigger stage.

Plus, just interacting with a bunch of guys with previously unseen shticks can help reinvigorate a veteran talent who was starting to get stale.

[Milk]

May 18, 2013 11:36:17 GMT -5 Wrestling Curmudgeon said:

I wish they would release Emma, she's friggin useless.

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So CrankyVince was right, there was a spring cleaning.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

May 18, 2013 11:45:18 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Randy Orton is what TNA needs to break into the big time, brother! They'll be ready for a new Monday Night Wars in no time with him in the company!

1.1

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May 19, 2013 8:45:22 GMT -5 @conviction said:

So CrankyVince was right, there was a spring cleaning.

I believe this is the real account of Vince and the "official" vincemcmahon is a parody.

[kamotengkahoy]

I wonder if there are gonna be more releases in the next few days or this batch is the last? Btw, Scott Dawson hasn't been re-added yet but there's no confirmation if he's gone or not. Just about to get an nxt character that isn't a jobber.

[theryno665]

The only upside to this right now? Bateman has already been booked for an AIW show in June and I'm close enough to go.

[Chuck Conry]

I don't think we have any hope of a real brand split anymore unless RAW drops from 3 back to 2 hours.