Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 30, 2013 13:23:02 GMT -5
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Post by Error on Aug 30, 2013 13:31:38 GMT -5
From PWInsider:
In regard to the BFG Series, we are told that the plan was never to make the tournament a full-fledged round robin tournament this year where everyone faces everyone in Series matches. Since the company had cut back on the number of events it was running, they never would have had enough time, so it was never in the cards - as opposed to a change made mid-stream.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 31, 2013 5:54:34 GMT -5
From PWInsider: In regard to the BFG Series, we are told that the plan was never to make the tournament a full-fledged round robin tournament this year where everyone faces everyone in Series matches. Since the company had cut back on the number of events it was running, they never would have had enough time, so it was never in the cards - as opposed to a change made mid-stream. So, a bait-and-switch then? Lovely. I should point out that Jay Bradley beat Joseph Park on Xplosion for those 7 points he has. Yes, they couldn't run all the round robin matchups, but they ran this match twice.
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Post by kevin on Aug 31, 2013 11:42:45 GMT -5
From PWInsider: In regard to the BFG Series, we are told that the plan was never to make the tournament a full-fledged round robin tournament this year where everyone faces everyone in Series matches. Since the company had cut back on the number of events it was running, they never would have had enough time, so it was never in the cards - as opposed to a change made mid-stream. So they planed for the BFG Series to be terrible from the begining? Honestly this series should be so easy to book. Everyone gets 1 match with everyone else in the series untill the have wrestled everyone in the series. Then tally the points and its done. Booking can not get easier than that and TNA cant do it
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 31, 2013 11:54:13 GMT -5
From PWInsider: In regard to the BFG Series, we are told that the plan was never to make the tournament a full-fledged round robin tournament this year where everyone faces everyone in Series matches. Since the company had cut back on the number of events it was running, they never would have had enough time, so it was never in the cards - as opposed to a change made mid-stream. But, it could have worked. They could have just started the tournament earlier. They started it way late this year. So the plan was to have a shitty tournament. I don't know if that makes it worse then 2010 or not.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 31, 2013 18:48:20 GMT -5
From PWInsider: In regard to the BFG Series, we are told that the plan was never to make the tournament a full-fledged round robin tournament this year where everyone faces everyone in Series matches. Since the company had cut back on the number of events it was running, they never would have had enough time, so it was never in the cards - as opposed to a change made mid-stream. But, it could have worked. They could have just started the tournament earlier. They started it way late this year. So the plan was to have a shitty tournament. I don't know if that makes it worse then 2010 or not. Or they could have just ran more Series matches at the house shows. Most house shows only had one tournament match, but had several guys in the Series on the card. And some house shows didn't even bother running any Series matches at all.
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Rave
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Post by Rave on Sept 2, 2013 7:32:59 GMT -5
This annoyed me enough to actually do the math.
I gave each competitor a number and charted the matches each of them would have to have to face each other exactly once, with the outcome being that sixty-six singles matches would need to take place. I then did calculations based on two different set numbers of singles matches per week, to arrive at the number of weeks it would take to have everyone face each other in singles matches exactly once.
My first was charted with four matches a week. Two on Impact, two on Xplosion. I arrived at seventeen weeks, as four does not divide cleanly into sixty-six, leaving a remainder of two and necessitating the seventeenth week. This is just over four months.
My second was six. I had two different configurations: two on Impact, two on Xplosion, and two split between two house shows, or three on Impact, two on Xplosion, and one on a house show. I prefer the latter, myself. No reason not to have three Series singles matches on Impact. I arrived at eleven weeks, as six divides cleanly into sixty-six. This is just under three months.
With a set amount of matches per week, this leaves at least half of the Series competitors free at any given time to participate in the multi-man Series supplementals TNA loves so much or anything else that's needed, with the latter example having the last week of the third month free for supplementals as well. I'm sure that other set numbers can be used. 8 matches a week, for example, is nine weeks. I figure that'd be three on Impact, two on Xplosion, and three house show matches, with once again there being a remainder of two to necessitate the extra week.
When I did this, it took me less than ten minutes. What is stopping them from doing the same thing to plan ahead next year?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 2, 2013 8:23:11 GMT -5
This annoyed me enough to actually do the math. I gave each competitor a number and charted the matches each of them would have to have to face each other exactly once, with the outcome being that sixty-six singles matches would need to take place. I then did calculations based on two different set numbers of singles matches per week, to arrive at the number of weeks it would take to have everyone face each other in singles matches exactly once. My first was charted with four matches a week. Two on Impact, two on Xplosion. I arrived at seventeen weeks, as four does not divide cleanly into sixty-six, leaving a remainder of two and necessitating the seventeenth week. This is just over four months. My second was six. I had two different configurations: two on Impact, two on Xplosion, and two split between two house shows, or three on Impact, two on Xplosion, and one on a house show. I prefer the latter, myself. No reason not to have three Series singles matches on Impact. I arrived at eleven weeks, as six divides cleanly into sixty-six. This is just under three months. With a set amount of matches per week, this leaves at least half of the Series competitors free at any given time to participate in the multi-man Series supplementals TNA loves so much or anything else that's needed, with the latter example having the last week of the third month free for supplementals as well. I'm sure that other set numbers can be used. 8 matches a week, for example, is nine weeks. I figure that'd be three on Impact, two on Xplosion, and three house show matches, with once again there being a remainder of two to necessitate the extra week. When I did this, it took me less than ten minutes. What is stopping them from doing the same thing to plan ahead next year? The problem is, they didn't even care to do this three months ago, and they knew they weren't going to run all sixty-six matches to begin with. They just didn't bother telling us that little fact.
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Rave
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Post by Rave on Sept 2, 2013 19:35:56 GMT -5
This annoyed me enough to actually do the math. I gave each competitor a number and charted the matches each of them would have to have to face each other exactly once, with the outcome being that sixty-six singles matches would need to take place. I then did calculations based on two different set numbers of singles matches per week, to arrive at the number of weeks it would take to have everyone face each other in singles matches exactly once. My first was charted with four matches a week. Two on Impact, two on Xplosion. I arrived at seventeen weeks, as four does not divide cleanly into sixty-six, leaving a remainder of two and necessitating the seventeenth week. This is just over four months. My second was six. I had two different configurations: two on Impact, two on Xplosion, and two split between two house shows, or three on Impact, two on Xplosion, and one on a house show. I prefer the latter, myself. No reason not to have three Series singles matches on Impact. I arrived at eleven weeks, as six divides cleanly into sixty-six. This is just under three months. With a set amount of matches per week, this leaves at least half of the Series competitors free at any given time to participate in the multi-man Series supplementals TNA loves so much or anything else that's needed, with the latter example having the last week of the third month free for supplementals as well. I'm sure that other set numbers can be used. 8 matches a week, for example, is nine weeks. I figure that'd be three on Impact, two on Xplosion, and three house show matches, with once again there being a remainder of two to necessitate the extra week. When I did this, it took me less than ten minutes. What is stopping them from doing the same thing to plan ahead next year? The problem is, they didn't even care to do this three months ago, and they knew they weren't going to run all sixty-six matches to begin with. They just didn't bother telling us that little fact. Meaning they just don't care at all. If they can't bother trying to put some effort into it, they might as well just close up shop.
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JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 5, 2013 0:29:03 GMT -5
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Post by Waffel113 on Sept 6, 2013 20:24:30 GMT -5
So, that Final Four huh? Aries/Styles II and Roode/Magnus II (I think that's their second match.)
WHO WE GOT FAN?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 10:30:35 GMT -5
I think the safe bet is Styles beating Aries, and Roode cheating to beat Magnus. Then Styles beats Roode in the finals. Although if they really want to put Magnus over without having him win the whole thing, they can have Styles/Magnus in the finals and make Magnus look good in defeat. I'm sticking with Styles beating Roode, though.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Sept 7, 2013 11:09:46 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone is saying this tournament was bad, the matches were good and even though some guys didn't get the spotlight that they deserved I thoroughly enjoyed the in ring work of most of the competitors. I understand that tournaments are popular among a lot of wrestling fans but this IS wrestling, wrestling is a work and the fact that this tournament has been worked from the start should be a surprise for no-one and should not be a detriment to it in the slightest.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 7, 2013 14:05:49 GMT -5
I does bug me that they didn't do things as properly as last year, but this is nowhere near the mess it was in 2011, when it just got absolutely ridiculous. This year is more a feeling of minor disappointment combined with "eh, I can overlook it", and less "what the @#$% hell is THAT?!".
I'm predicting AJ vs. Magnus in the finals.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 7, 2013 16:37:09 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone is saying this tournament was bad, the matches were good and even though some guys didn't get the spotlight that they deserved I thoroughly enjoyed the in ring work of most of the competitors. I understand that tournaments are popular among a lot of wrestling fans but this IS wrestling, wrestling is a work and the fact that this tournament has been worked from the start should be a surprise for no-one and should not be a detriment to it in the slightest. My thing is, if you're gonna bother doing something, do it right. How hard is it to do a round robin tournament? They did it perfectly last year! If they weren't gonna bother with doing it the right way this year, why waste all this time and energy? Why not just have a regular single-elimination tournament where the winner goes on to BFG?
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Post by Emmet Russell on Sept 7, 2013 23:51:49 GMT -5
Definitely have to choose an AJ Styles victory here. Just like Jeff Hardy last year, his contract is nearing expiry & they want to keep in his good graces so he'll win it.
Guessing he'll face Roode in the finals which should be an amazing match between the two. I really hope it's not Magnus because I don't see that match going really well at all, I doubt they'll have much chemistry at all.
Question: do they have both matches on the one night or is it split into two weeks like Hardcore Justice was?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 8, 2013 6:50:25 GMT -5
Question: do they have both matches on the one night or is it split into two weeks like Hardcore Justice was? Going by their track record, it'll be 2 weeks of No Surrender. The finals will be on the next episode.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 8, 2013 8:11:18 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone is saying this tournament was bad, the matches were good and even though some guys didn't get the spotlight that they deserved I thoroughly enjoyed the in ring work of most of the competitors. I understand that tournaments are popular among a lot of wrestling fans but this IS wrestling, wrestling is a work and the fact that this tournament has been worked from the start should be a surprise for no-one and should not be a detriment to it in the slightest. My thing is, if you're gonna bother doing something, do it right. How hard is it to do a round robin tournament? They did it perfectly last year! If they weren't gonna bother with doing it the right way this year, why waste all this time and energy? Why not just have a regular single-elimination tournament where the winner goes on to BFG? Yeah, they promoted this as a round robin and hyped that everyone would face everyone at some point in time. They also knew in advance they weren't going to run every match they promised. It was a blatant bait and switch, and they should be blasted for it.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Sept 8, 2013 21:09:36 GMT -5
My thing is, if you're gonna bother doing something, do it right. How hard is it to do a round robin tournament? They did it perfectly last year! If they weren't gonna bother with doing it the right way this year, why waste all this time and energy? Why not just have a regular single-elimination tournament where the winner goes on to BFG? Yeah, they promoted this as a round robin and hyped that everyone would face everyone at some point in time. They also knew in advance they weren't going to run every match they promised. It was a blatant bait and switch, and they should be blasted for it. TNA doing a bait & switch? Nooooo reminds me of the time they advertised Jeff Hardy for the UK tour -- knowing full well he wasn't going to be able to come to the shows.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 19, 2013 12:02:52 GMT -5
So, now that it's all said and done, what did you guys think of the series? I thought this year's tournament was pretty lame. Even ignoring the screwy format, the match quality wasn't as high as it was last year and the whole thing just felt overshadowed by the Stable Wars BS.
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