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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 17, 2013 23:59:54 GMT -5
Bryan recently beat 6'7" 267 lbs Sheamus clean. Logically, 6'1" 251 lbs John Cena should be a piece of cake.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 18, 2013 0:24:34 GMT -5
I've voiced it elsewhere, but can anyone come up with a halfway-likely program for a champion Bryan post-Summerslam? Orton nicking the belt straight-away seems to be the only viable route.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jul 18, 2013 0:27:38 GMT -5
I've voiced it elsewhere, but can anyone come up with a halfway-likely program for a champion Bryan post-Summerslam? Orton nicking the belt straight-away seems to be the only viable route. Really, no matter which of the trio leaves Summerslam as WWE champion, I'd expect a threeway Cena/Orton/Bryan feud over the belt for the next few months.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 18, 2013 0:35:30 GMT -5
I've voiced it elsewhere, but can anyone come up with a halfway-likely program for a champion Bryan post-Summerslam? Orton nicking the belt straight-away seems to be the only viable route. Ryback. Kane once he realizes humanity has made him weak and he needs to become a monster again...again. Big Show Alberto Del Rio after he drops the WHC. Or they'll just feed him midcarders while Cena and Orton do other things.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 18, 2013 0:37:57 GMT -5
I've voiced it elsewhere, but can anyone come up with a halfway-likely program for a champion Bryan post-Summerslam? Orton nicking the belt straight-away seems to be the only viable route. Ryback. Kane once he realizes humanity has made him weak and he needs to become a monster again...again. Big Show Alberto Del Rio after he drops the WHC. I feared that'd be the direction. I ain't knocking Bryan, or his overness, but they all just scream 'PPVs that Cena's gonna be headlining anyways'.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 18, 2013 0:41:33 GMT -5
I've voiced it elsewhere, but can anyone come up with a halfway-likely program for a champion Bryan post-Summerslam? Orton nicking the belt straight-away seems to be the only viable route. I say this because of past booking decisions involving Orton (Orton winning the title from Christian), but Bryan winning the title, having his moment, and then Orton blind-siding him with a cash-in to win the title is probably the most likely thing to happen aside from Cena retaining.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 0:49:25 GMT -5
*attempt at clever insult* {Spoiler}{Spoiler}TOO META FOR YOU
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Post by SOR on Jul 18, 2013 0:54:50 GMT -5
Lol at everyone jumping on OP for not liking Daniel Bryan. Same thing happened to me a few months ago when I said I wasn't particularly a fan and found Daniel Bryan to be overrated.
Daniel Bryan is billed at 210 pounds meaning in reality he's probably 195-200. Wrestlers also add an inch or two to their height all the time so Daniel Bryan is probably closer to 5'9 but could be as small as 5'8.
Body wise he isn't ripped and muscular like a Chris Benoit or Shawn Michaels were. He really is just a short guy with an athletic body type and we're supposed to believe he has the goods to beat the guy who's been bodybuilding for 20 years and has a lot more big match experience then Bryan.
I completely agree with OP. Daniel Bryan shouldn't be beating Cena.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jul 18, 2013 0:58:11 GMT -5
Big Show should always be the champion. Nothing else is realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 1:05:26 GMT -5
Kayfabe, Bryan's a better technical wrestler. Why not focus on that? Cena's wrestled guys that were bigger, more experienced, and flat out crazier than Bryan.
However, has he wrestled someone who, if you want to spin it in this direction, can out wrestle him the way Bryan can? Has he ever wrestled someone with the sheer momentum that Bryan brings to the table right now? He's not strong like Cena, but he's faster. He doesn't have the big match experience but there's no reason why you can't push Bryan as someone who, if you make one mistake against, can't capitalize on it and pin you or make you tap.
Make him the wrestling machine that he is. Bryan doesn't have to out fight Cena, he merely has to out wrestle him. There are ways to create some semblance of doubt. You don't have to give Bryan the win, just use the match to elevate him even further and give Cena another great match where he can show his in ring abilities.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 1:05:33 GMT -5
If Bryan wins a wrestling title it'll because he's the better wrestler on that wrestling TV show.
Just being a big, muscle bound dude doesn't mean you can beat a skilled grappler. Gracie v Shamrock for example.
I suspect Bryan v Punk eventually.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Jul 18, 2013 1:08:23 GMT -5
Lol at everyone jumping on OP for not liking Daniel Bryan. Same thing happened to me a few months ago when I said I wasn't particularly a fan and found Daniel Bryan to be overrated. Daniel Bryan is billed at 210 pounds meaning in reality he's probably 195-200. Wrestlers also add an inch or two to their height all the time so Daniel Bryan is probably closer to 5'9 but could be as small as 5'8. Body wise he isn't ripped and muscular like a Chris Benoit or Shawn Michaels were. He really is just a short guy with an athletic body type and we're supposed to believe he has the goods to beat the guy who's been bodybuilding for 20 years and has a lot more big match experience then Bryan. I completely agree with OP. Daniel Bryan shouldn't be beating Cena. No one's jumping on him for not liking Bryan. He can like and dislike whoever he wants, different strokes. It's his "he's too small" argument that people are saying is ridiculous. Wrestling is a world where running into the ring ropes makes you bounce across the ring like a pinball. It's a world where one guy can do a leg drop and destroy his opponents, while for others, it's just a regular move. It's a sport where every now and then, they let you fight with no rules and attempt to murder your opponent with weapons such as chairs, bats covered in barbed wire and sledgehammers. A dude beating someone with a considerable height and weight advantage isn't the most outlandish thing to happen in pro wrestling or even in a shoot fight.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jul 18, 2013 1:25:54 GMT -5
If Punk beats Lesnar clean beforehand then Bryan beating Cena clean wouldn't look out of place at all. That happening on the same night would be like take that Smarks, what you think now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 1:51:21 GMT -5
Lol at everyone jumping on OP for not liking Daniel Bryan. Same thing happened to me a few months ago when I said I wasn't particularly a fan and found Daniel Bryan to be overrated. Daniel Bryan is billed at 210 pounds meaning in reality he's probably 195-200. Wrestlers also add an inch or two to their height all the time so Daniel Bryan is probably closer to 5'9 but could be as small as 5'8. Body wise he isn't ripped and muscular like a Chris Benoit or Shawn Michaels were. He really is just a short guy with an athletic body type and we're supposed to believe he has the goods to beat the guy who's been bodybuilding for 20 years and has a lot more big match experience then Bryan. I completely agree with OP. Daniel Bryan shouldn't be beating Cena. No one's jumping on him for not liking Bryan. He can like and dislike whoever he wants, different strokes. It's his "he's too small" argument that people are saying is ridiculous. Wrestling is a world where running into the ring ropes makes you bounce across the ring like a pinball. It's a world where one guy can do a leg drop and destroy his opponents, while for others, it's just a regular move. It's a sport where every now and then, they let you fight with no rules and attempt to murder your opponent with weapons such as chairs, bats covered in barbed wire and sledgehammers. A dude beating someone with a considerable height and weight advantage isn't the most outlandish thing to happen in pro wrestling or even in a shoot fight. So what's a good reason for not liking someone if the too small argument is "ridiculous"? If yall (mods or anyone, really) could post a pre-approved list, that would be helpful for everyone.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Jul 18, 2013 2:02:10 GMT -5
No one's jumping on him for not liking Bryan. He can like and dislike whoever he wants, different strokes. It's his "he's too small" argument that people are saying is ridiculous. Wrestling is a world where running into the ring ropes makes you bounce across the ring like a pinball. It's a world where one guy can do a leg drop and destroy his opponents, while for others, it's just a regular move. It's a sport where every now and then, they let you fight with no rules and attempt to murder your opponent with weapons such as chairs, bats covered in barbed wire and sledgehammers. A dude beating someone with a considerable height and weight advantage isn't the most outlandish thing to happen in pro wrestling or even in a shoot fight. So what's a good reason for not liking someone if the too small argument is "ridiculous"? If yall (mods or anyone, really) could post a pre-approved list, that would be helpful for everyone. I know you're question is more rhetorical snarkiness rather than a serious one (not knocking you for the snark) but I'll give what *I* think are good reasons for not liking a wrestler. You don't like his gimmick, not a fan of his ring work, he's dull, he annoys you, stuff like that. The "he's too small" argument is like if I said I don't like John Cena cuz he's got a weird shaped head. Not trying to force my opinion on anyone, just saying it's kinda silly to let the fact that a wrestler isn't one of the biggest dudes on the roster f*** up your suspension of disbelief of a "sport" where a 40 something year old zombie can beat a dude half his age after not wrestling for an entire year.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 18, 2013 2:13:02 GMT -5
Lol at everyone jumping on OP for not liking Daniel Bryan. Same thing happened to me a few months ago when I said I wasn't particularly a fan and found Daniel Bryan to be overrated. Daniel Bryan is billed at 210 pounds meaning in reality he's probably 195-200. Wrestlers also add an inch or two to their height all the time so Daniel Bryan is probably closer to 5'9 but could be as small as 5'8. Body wise he isn't ripped and muscular like a Chris Benoit or Shawn Michaels were. He really is just a short guy with an athletic body type and we're supposed to believe he has the goods to beat the guy who's been bodybuilding for 20 years and has a lot more big match experience then Bryan. I completely agree with OP. Daniel Bryan shouldn't be beating Cena. No one's jumping on the OP for not liking Daniel Bryan. They are jumping on him for having a completely absurd opinion, and basing that opinion on a factor that A) is refuted just by the mere fact of what wrestling is presented as : a human cartoon, where tiny guys fly through the air and slay giants, where undead 50 year olds come back from the dead once a year, where dudes are burned or buried alive and not only somehow survive, but have no scars and want to settle that shit with collar elbow tie-ups instead of murder, and no one ever calls the police for vehicular manslaughter, kidnapping or extortion --despite the whole thing being filmed. And B) if you *must* try and choose to watch it as a sport with all belief suspended, a guy with Jiu Jitsu and striking training kicks the ass and taps an untrained body builder 99/100 times. I've been taking BJJ and Judo for like 15 years. MUSCLES MEAN NOTHING IN REAL FIGHTS. LIFTING MEANS NOTHING. I've seen dudes like Cena get tapped every day, because they, like so many others are somehow strangely convinced that big muscles, in 2013, mean f*** all to anyone but children or fools. If anything, it hinders your flexibility. There's a reason 99% of all MMA guys are lean muscle and not swollen water-retaining meatbags. So, ya, looking at both aspects, and taking the extreme ignorance into consideration of actual competitive fighting and skills, his opinion was silly and so was yours. In the WWE anyone can beat anyone. It's not real. And even if it was, Bryan would still have a shot.
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Post by BigWill on Jul 18, 2013 2:13:04 GMT -5
Lol at everyone jumping on OP for not liking Daniel Bryan. Same thing happened to me a few months ago when I said I wasn't particularly a fan and found Daniel Bryan to be overrated. Daniel Bryan is billed at 210 pounds meaning in reality he's probably 195-200. Wrestlers also add an inch or two to their height all the time so Daniel Bryan is probably closer to 5'9 but could be as small as 5'8. Body wise he isn't ripped and muscular like a Chris Benoit or Shawn Michaels were. He really is just a short guy with an athletic body type and we're supposed to believe he has the goods to beat the guy who's been bodybuilding for 20 years and has a lot more big match experience then Bryan. I completely agree with OP. Daniel Bryan shouldn't be beating Cena. So wait a second. This thread is really about him not liking Bryan? Oh what a clever ruse this was! Pretending that this was about their difference in size, when it was all a thinly veiled cover for the fact that he's just not a fan of Bryan.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 18, 2013 2:19:16 GMT -5
You can not like him or be entertained by him if you want because of his size. You can't discredit him though because of it. It's a ridiculous argument. There are A LOT of not "credible" champions in wrestling history. Austin? The mans knees were held together with so much supports it was architecture. It became part of his gimmick. The bionic redneck. Why didn't anybody just kick him in the knees hard and win the title? Hogan the plodding musclehead should be given a shot at Bob Backlund's wrestling title? Ken Shamrock never held the WWF heavyweight title, while he was there Mick Foley held that title. How is that realistic? It's not but it was entertaining to the masses, and the masses are behind Bryan.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jul 18, 2013 2:26:55 GMT -5
His tag team partner was a demon from hell who could manipulate fire and treated him as an equal. That's frankly all I require to suspend my disbelief. I feel like if I have accepted that his best friend/rival is a demon who can manipulate fire, not accepting that he can defeat a man unable to control fire would be a weird leap in logic.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Jul 18, 2013 2:42:40 GMT -5
Georg Hackenschmidt - 5'9" Gorgeous George - 5'9" Stu Hart - 5'10" Mad Dog Vachon - 5'9" Bruno Sammartino - 5'10" Édouard Carpentier - 5'10" Pedro Morales - 5'10" Nick Bockwinkel - 5'10" Eddie Gilbert - 5'10" Ricky Steamboat - 5'10" Eddie Guerrero - 5'8"
Just sayin'.
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