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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:37:38 GMT -5
Bryan isn't going to make any main eventer look bad by beating them with a small package.
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Post by Essential1 on Jul 18, 2013 11:07:14 GMT -5
Yes we know it's fantasy, but sometimes you want to BELIEVE.
I'm sure some of you would of loved to have seen back in 2002 guys like Jamie Noble or Crash Holly in main events, beating the crap out of the nWo and holding the WWE title...I personally wouldn't.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 18, 2013 11:41:56 GMT -5
Yes we know it's fantasy, but sometimes you want to BELIEVE. I'm sure some of you would of loved to have seen back in 2002 guys like Jamie Noble or Crash Holly in main events, beating the crap out of the nWo and holding the WWE title...I personally wouldn't. If built up properly sure. It's all about the story. I mean fans had no problem getting behind one single average size wrestler running off dozens of members of the NWO with just a bat and some facepaint. A group that could beat down everyone else with ease. Or during that same time a man with the knees of a cripple and a penchant for flipping people off before he attacked, taking on the entire WWF roster to hold that title.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 18, 2013 12:15:26 GMT -5
I somewhat agree with the original statement, but it's not because of Bryan.
It's because of Cena.
Cena's been booked as an indestructable Superman that nobody gets the better of unless he starts to get cocky. And even then, they don't submit him, they surprise him with a quick pin that he instantly gets up from.
I have no problem whatsoever with Bryan becoming champion, I just want them to find a way to do it in a way where it doesn't look like a cynical goodwill gesture on Cena's part to try to earn himself some internet cred.
Start making Cena look vulnerable coming into the match.
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Post by salsashark on Jul 18, 2013 12:28:46 GMT -5
Yes we know it's fantasy, but sometimes you want to BELIEVE. I'm sure some of you would of loved to have seen back in 2002 guys like Jamie Noble or Crash Holly in main events, beating the crap out of the nWo and holding the WWE title...I personally wouldn't. I'm not a Noble mark, so I can't say much there. Always been super lukewarm on the guy. But I loved Crash. He was hilarious and very charming. That said, I wouldn't have put him in the main event. Why not? Because he wasn't booked that way. He was booked as a plucky, comedy character who stumbled into success and wasn't supposed to be the man. Some guys are not supposed to be the man. Take Giant Silva. He was a huge dude, but he would have not have been right as the man because he was never booked like a threat or wrestled like one. Until a few years ago, I would have said the same about Mark Henry. Like Albert. I still think Albert's the shit, but his booking would make it tough for him to be taken seriously all of a sudden. But could he do it? Absolutely. His offense is tremendous when it needs be. Bryan is a tough little motherf***er and he is booked in kind. He tore through the Shield a spell back and looked like dynamite. He kicks people like he is stiffing them. I love that. (I have a lot of faith in Bryan, so I'm guessing it's partly a work and he is actually less vicious than he looks.) Bryan can hit guys from any angle and he really pours himself into making wrestling look "real." Sorta like how Punk does. I have had a lot of gripes with Punk in the past as a fan, but never, ever as a worker because he really sells both offense and defense with the right tone. He tells the right story.
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Post by Essential1 on Jul 18, 2013 12:54:57 GMT -5
Shaving his head and beard would do wonders for him IMO.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 18, 2013 12:57:24 GMT -5
I somewhat agree with the original statement, but it's not because of Bryan. It's because of Cena. Cena's been booked as an indestructable Superman that nobody gets the better of unless he starts to get cocky. And even then, they don't submit him, they surprise him with a quick pin that he instantly gets up from. I have no problem whatsoever with Bryan becoming champion, I just want them to find a way to do it in a way where it doesn't look like a cynical goodwill gesture on Cena's part to try to earn himself some internet cred. Start making Cena look vulnerable coming into the match. There's really not much wrong with this. Bryan in particular does not even have an impact finisher, so he pretty much HAS to get Cena with a wacky roll up. Despite Cena's "indestructible Superman" booking", he's been willing to bump and sell for anyone regardless of their actual positioning on the card. He allows himself to get bitch slapped around by lowbies. This is a guy who used to wrestle Johnny Nitro every other week. And he has put on longer matches with the likes of Darren Young, Alex Riley, and Zack Ryder. Cena doesn't really need to look "vulnerable" unless they turn Bryan heel, and no one really wants that. This should be a straight up face vs. face, "may the best man win" program.
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Post by Perd on Jul 18, 2013 13:10:55 GMT -5
The SummerSlam match, should be Cena pushing Bryan back by his head, while Bryan wildly throws punches.
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Post by salsashark on Jul 18, 2013 13:41:46 GMT -5
Shaving his head and beard would do wonders for him IMO. I definitely agree with trimming the beard, but not shaving it off or else he looks really, really young in a bad way.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 18, 2013 13:45:22 GMT -5
Yes we know it's fantasy, but sometimes you want to BELIEVE. I'm sure some of you would of loved to have seen back in 2002 guys like Jamie Noble or Crash Holly in main events, beating the crap out of the nWo and holding the WWE title...I personally wouldn't. Then just say you don't want to see him win. The end. Wanting to "believe" has been discredited in this thread by the simple fact that Bryan is actually real-life credible. Your verbiage and original statement suggested that it looks absurd or impossible, but it is not. The size thing means nothing if someone is booked right or possesses legit skills that cancels out the archaic size matters mindset. The crux of your original complaint was incorrect. That's why people jumped on you.
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Post by Chip on Jul 18, 2013 13:53:00 GMT -5
Yes we know it's fantasy, but sometimes you want to BELIEVE. I'm sure some of you would of loved to have seen back in 2002 guys like Jamie Noble or Crash Holly in main events, beating the crap out of the nWo and holding the WWE title...I personally wouldn't. I don't see why a super heavyweight like Crash Holly couldn't have held the title. In all seriousness, this is the difference between you and what appears to be most people around here, we BELIEVE that Bryan can beat Cena, legit. If anything it'd make people respect Cena more if he lost.
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Post by Essential1 on Jul 18, 2013 14:01:32 GMT -5
It's just my personal preference. I'm not sure if I can take a main eventer under 5'10 seriously or any wrestler who makes me think I could kick their ass. I'd prefer them in the midcard/upper midcard.
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Post by sportatorium on Jul 18, 2013 14:09:27 GMT -5
I actually think over the next few weeks, one of the heels, Orton, or Vince will accuse Cena of taking the easy road due to Bryan's size.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 18, 2013 14:14:22 GMT -5
It's just my personal preference. I'm not sure if I can take a main eventer under 5'10 seriously or any wrestler who makes me think I could kick their ass. I'd prefer them in the midcard/upper midcard. But you can't kick Daniel Bryan's ass. That's the point. He has enough base skill, despite his height, to tear both your arms off then type how wrong you are with your own fingers. Your viewpoint in this case in fundamentally flawed. Pick a new argument. Yours has more holes in it than Dino Bravo.
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Post by Essential1 on Jul 18, 2013 14:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by Chip on Jul 18, 2013 14:43:16 GMT -5
or any wrestler who makes me think I could kick their ass. Ahhh, some of my favourite wrestling bar-fight stories start in this exact manner.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Jul 18, 2013 14:56:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I got a couple inches and pounds on Bryan and I'm pretty sure he would whoop me. So would everyone on the roster, both in and out of kayfabe. Cept maybe Heath Slater
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jul 18, 2013 15:00:16 GMT -5
It's just my personal preference. I'm not sure if I can take a main eventer under 5'10 seriously or any wrestler who makes me think I could kick their ass. I'd prefer them in the midcard/upper midcard. Your superior height would make you think that you could kick a trained and skilled professional wrestler's ass? I really hope you never run afoul of 5'7 Jose Aldo.
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Post by stuart minkus on Jul 18, 2013 15:01:40 GMT -5
I can't believe ANYONE tapping Cena out unless he's about to undergo a massive gimmick change, what with the whole "NEVER GIVE UP" thing that's been emblazoned on his merch for years. Bryan using his small package to win would be the most plausible clean-ish victory I could see him pulling out. Just go the Austin/Hart route and have Bryan get Cena trapped and with nowhere to go, and instead of Cena tapping out, the ref stops the match after Cena passes out from the pain. ...I don't know why that finish isn't used more. It would get submission holds over without making the victims look like cowards. iirc, one of the falls during Sheamus/Bryan's 2 out of 3 falls match had this finish
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Jul 18, 2013 15:13:05 GMT -5
Just go the Austin/Hart route and have Bryan get Cena trapped and with nowhere to go, and instead of Cena tapping out, the ref stops the match after Cena passes out from the pain. ...I don't know why that finish isn't used more. It would get submission holds over without making the victims look like cowards. iirc, one of the falls during Sheamus/Bryan's 2 out of 3 falls match had this finish They did. I'm not a big fan of the pass out finish. I think only Austin and Bret have pulled it off.
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