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Post by wallabylikeyou on Aug 27, 2013 4:58:16 GMT -5
The belt and its champion are booked so badly now that seriously should just do away with it. The champion loses on TV constantly, including to people he will face on pay-per-view. It hasn't main evented in a very long time now, isn't even the focus of the B-Show anymore and no longer has a valid reason to exist with the brand split long finished. Just put a bullet in it already.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 27, 2013 5:00:05 GMT -5
Nowadays, it pretty much exists to give Alberto del Rio a way to look important while keeping his black hole of aggressive apathy away from the real main eventers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 5:03:54 GMT -5
All of the titles are basically useless right now. The only ones that have any attention paid to them whatsoever are the WWE and Divas ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 5:07:43 GMT -5
The WWE and IC title scenes both need more challengers. Get rid of the WHC and move people up and down.
And yes, continue to keep Alberto Del Rio's black hole of aggressive apathy away from the real main eventers.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 27, 2013 5:19:34 GMT -5
The only purpose the US and Tag Team titles seem to have is to make the Shield more imposing right now.
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Post by Renslayer on Aug 27, 2013 5:24:41 GMT -5
They should give it to Brock. Every match he's in has a big fight feel, & if you give him the belt, it instantly becomes credible again
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Post by mrjl on Aug 27, 2013 5:43:45 GMT -5
a champ losing often is a viable booking strategy. Honky Tonk Man did it all the time. And Ric Flair would have trouble in title defenses against guys like Robert Gibson
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2013 8:26:03 GMT -5
At this point I think they should just let Del Rio hold onto the WHC forever. Let everyone else go after the WWE and IC Titles while The World Title is effectively rendered into Del Rio's version of the Internet Title that just happens to be sanctioned. Feed him one token "contender" everu month who doesn't even acknowledge that the belt is up for grabs. He faces Del Rio, loses, and then goes back to what he was doing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:35:06 GMT -5
If you want proof that the World Heavyweight Championship is completely useless, look no further than Dolph Ziggler. A little over two months ago he was world champ, now he's back in midcard hell getting involved with the divas and having a pretty meaningless feud with Big E.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:36:12 GMT -5
Rename it the MHC - the Mexican Heavy Championship.
But yeah - ever since the brand split ended it just feels stupid having it out there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 8:37:40 GMT -5
a champ losing often is a viable booking strategy. Honky Tonk Man did it all the time. And Ric Flair would have trouble in title defenses against guys like Robert Gibson A viable strategy...in the 1980's. It's not the same game anymore.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 27, 2013 11:35:23 GMT -5
Honky wasn't jobbing clean though...he was getting himself counted out and DQed. His strategy was perfect for the time, namely he hangs onto the belt for a long time but everyone he faces looks good. And personally I have always thought Ric Flair was booked horribly for most of the 2nd half of the 1980s (non title losses, constant Dusty Finishes, run ins galore). Thing is, the booking of Flair in the NWA showed how problematic it is to have a long term heel champ for a national promotion. When the NWA champ was a traveling champ that went to various territories, it was feasible to book schmozz finishes to keep the belt on the champ and protect the local hero. When the NWA mostly became Crockett Promotions and it was that one show on TBS, they did the same sort of world title booking and Crockett went broke in 3 years.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 27, 2013 11:41:44 GMT -5
But then Del Rio would be the most aggressive Intercontinental champion ever!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 11:50:30 GMT -5
They should get rid of Alberto, that dude is an expert at killing crowds.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2013 13:55:18 GMT -5
But then Del Rio would be the most aggressive Intercontinental champion ever!! At least the notoriety that Del Rio has already built would make the IC belt mean something. And the wheel of aggression squashes would paint him as a strong champion.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 27, 2013 14:13:49 GMT -5
It sucks. It dilutes the WWE and IC championships.
The WWE, IC, Tag and Divas titles would suffice.
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Aug 27, 2013 14:53:22 GMT -5
It sucks. It dilutes the WWE and IC championships. The WWE, IC, Tag and Divas titles would suffice. I would even be okay with them keeping the US Title as sort of a "European Championship-type" belt to give some of the lower midcarders something to do. But yeah, I could go for that. I defended keeping it for a long time (because of the brand split and I like the "Big Gold Belt" design), but the World Heavyweight Championship has been completely meaningless for over a year now. With Smackdown essentially not a brand anymore, what's the point in having it? The WWE Championship is, and mostly likely always will be, the top belt in the company. Winning a "World Title" should be the top honor in wrestling. Winning the World Heavyweight Championship is like winning the Intercontinental Title right now. When was the last time the World Title was in the main event of a ppv, 2009? It's not as if guys like Christian, Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, or even Damien Sandow when he eventually gets it will be seen as the upper echelon of talent having been a "World Champion" before. Ditch it, elevate the IC belt, and call it a day.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 27, 2013 15:12:26 GMT -5
a champ losing often is a viable booking strategy. Honky Tonk Man did it all the time. And Ric Flair would have trouble in title defenses against guys like Robert Gibson A viable strategy...in the 1980's. It's not the same game anymore. well. let's see... fans rip on Cena for being Super Cena and always overcoming "the odds" as a face And they ripped on Triple H for always going over as a heel despite rampant cheating when he was a heel. So the champ shouldn't look strong.... And the champ shouldn't look weak.... I'm stumped
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Post by mrjl on Aug 27, 2013 15:20:04 GMT -5
It sucks. It dilutes the WWE and IC championships. The WWE, IC, Tag and Divas titles would suffice. no it wouldn't. Old school WWF always felt underrepresented belt wise, which I think they knew which is why they occasionally had KotR or the Million Dollar title defended. While I always like WWF's in ring stuff better, WCW's gold; the World, US, TV, Tag and US tag titles were always the best title option for me.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2013 17:47:46 GMT -5
It sucks. It dilutes the WWE and IC championships. The WWE, IC, Tag and Divas titles would suffice. no it wouldn't. Old school WWF always felt underrepresented belt wise, which I think they knew which is why they occasionally had KotR or the Million Dollar title defended. While I always like WWF's in ring stuff better, WCW's gold; the World, US, TV, Tag and US tag titles were always the best title option for me. WWE could always make their own TV Title. It should be... WWE Title: main eventers IC Title: midcarders that they try to pretend are "main eventers" (Miz, Ziggles, Del Rio, Barrett, Ryback, RVD, Shield) TV Title: midcarders that they don't try to pretend are main eventers (Kofi, Cody, Real Americans + low carders). Certain guys move up and down as needed.
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