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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 29, 2013 2:57:35 GMT -5
Why does the ic belt need to be made important? The us champ usually has been the guy who is the best worker. While the ic belt has been the jobber belt.
The problem is not Del Rio. The problem is no brand split. I really think the brand split returns sort of considering they have 100 guys in developmental and they can bolster the rosters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 3:00:25 GMT -5
They should just get rid of Del Rio instead.
That's what makes the belt suck, that he's competing for it 3/4 of the time or has it.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 29, 2013 3:03:25 GMT -5
They should just get rid of Del Rio instead. That's what makes the belt suck, that he's competing for it 3/4 of the time or has it. Only made worse by the most memorable feud for it in the last 18 months was Big Show/Sheamus, or, well, the one that drew the best matches. Honestly, given the frequency in which he interacts with it, does Del Rio have some sort of WHC clause written into his deal?
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Aug 29, 2013 6:09:51 GMT -5
The new title should just be people wearing Cena around their belt. When you win the title, you come out on Raw the next night(wearing Cena like a belt of course) while Cena cuts a promo where he talks like a preacher for some reason and how it's okay to hate him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 29, 2013 13:47:05 GMT -5
Why does the ic belt need to be made important? The us champ usually has been the guy who is the best worker. While the ic belt has been the jobber belt. The problem is not Del Rio. The problem is no brand split. I really think the brand split returns sort of considering they have 100 guys in developmental and they can bolster the rosters Imo, even with a brand split, there should be only one major champion. The WWE Champion should be the champion of the WWE, not just the champion of one half of the roster. The problem with two World Titles is now that there IS no brand split, there are now too many guys being presented as "main eventers" and thus too many people who "have" to be on TV every week, leaving the non-main eventer types out in the cold. I think a brand split is needed, but I think the idea of trying to present RAW and SD as equal is dead. I think a better idea would be a casual brand split where all the top guys working primarily on RAW, all the lower level guys working primarily on SmackDown. Certain upper midcard and "lower main event" guys like whoever is the Intercontinental Champion, Miz, Barrett, RVD, Del Rio, Rhodes, Fandango, Sandow, Real Americans, and Kofi work on both shows as they're needed. Those 100 guys in developmental are in developmental because they aren't ready. It's not like they're all going to be called up at once.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 29, 2013 14:06:46 GMT -5
So many different forums I've seen have an issue with this have yet to make a case for it that does not revolve around the word "World".
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 29, 2013 14:11:28 GMT -5
So many different forums I've seen have an issue with this have yet to make a case for it that does not revolve around the word "World". The problem is that WWE doesn't know how to get anyone oever without shoving them into the main event. Because there are two World Titles. WWE is trying to push too many people as "big deals" and it hurts the whole roster as a result. I feel that having two World Titles makes the roster look bad, Look at a guy like Alex Riley. You would think that I would like there to be two World Titles because it means one of my guys has a better chance at becoming a "world champion". But instead of being one of many guys who hasn't won a world title, he is one of a small handful of guys who CAN'T win a world title. When there are so many "haves" on the roster, it makes the "have nots" look that much worse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 14:16:25 GMT -5
They should have RVD win it at NOC, then have him drop it to Sandow the next night on Raw, and then suddenly Orton comes out, RKO's and pins Sandow, and HHH declares the 2 titles are now 1.
.........I'm being sarcastic, mind you, not prophesizing what will probably happen.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 29, 2013 14:28:48 GMT -5
It's a shame RVD has these short terms deals because if not I could see him restoring some luster to the World title. It's really hard to understand why they don't just merge these two belts. First off, with the current storyline of HHH and Orton putting the utmost importance on the WWE title, isn't it odd that there's some other dude on the same show with a title of similar value? Why isn't Del Rio the equal of Orton in HHH's eyes? With the brand split one could argue Raw and SD were pseudo different worlds that didn't interact, but now everyone is on both shows anyway. Thus, now we have WCW circa 1992-94 where you had the WCW champ and the NWA (or International) champ and both belts were supposed to mean something.
At least competitively speaking you could argue Del Rio and Orton aren't a mismatch. As in Del Rio has beaten Orton in the past. Once Sandow gets the belt it's kind of absurd to think this guy is any kind of world champion when the only match he's won in 6 months was in fact for the MITB briefcase.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Aug 30, 2013 23:23:02 GMT -5
Keep the World Heavyweight Championship Get rid of the WWE Championship
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Post by Essential1 on Aug 30, 2013 23:30:58 GMT -5
The belt is shit but I think they only keep it around for the "history"
It's a WCW relic Vince can have as his own while reminding everyone he does indeed own WCW.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 30, 2013 23:34:44 GMT -5
All of the titles are basically useless right now. The only ones that have any attention paid to them whatsoever are the WWE and Divas ones. This is why I can't be super upset at the WHC. We are in the day and age where titles are booked as meaningless props.
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Post by trollrogue on Aug 31, 2013 3:21:47 GMT -5
The belt is shit but I think they only keep it around for the "history" It's a WCW relic Vince can have as his own while reminding everyone he does indeed own WCW. When Smackdown was a different 'brand' it actually did still feel sorta main event. That pretty much started to die after Sheamus' 18-second-win devalued the fact that Bryan was supposedly 'main event level' (he was basically reduced to a jobber carrying around his MitB-won title through sheer luck with the recent title defenses). Then of course Sheamus became hella unpopular briefly after 'Mania while holding the title, which soured people on it even more wayyy before his perpetual ADR feud put the final nails in the coffin. It's just been booked to absolute hell and now the brand is no longer split meaning RKO and HHH can come on Smackdown every week to overshadow the WHC's importance (and by extension Mr. MitB to the WHC's importance). It's clear that the WWE Championship is the "real" main event belt from storylines blatantly saying so (I believe CM Punk even said that verbatim in a promo once!) This leaves the WHC in a sort of dimensional vortex: I remember times when the WHC seemed MUCH more important than the WWE title feud going on, and currently the WWE title has been "shamed" in a recent storyline meaning the WHC is the only one that has been earned through fair combat. I kinda like how things are otherwise left up to the WWE Universe to decide on where the WHC's importance lies in the ladder of Championships. I'm satisfied just treating it as a symbol of respect Vince has for his worthy rival WCW, by allowing the belt to carry on the separate lineage of that organization alongside his family's life work.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 31, 2013 5:39:39 GMT -5
I love the belt and it has meaning still in wwe.
It is the new "is this guy ready/let's give him something to do" main event sort of belt
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Post by happhazzard on Aug 31, 2013 10:10:11 GMT -5
It's the secondary title, like the IC title used to be in the 80s. Why get rid of it? Get rid of the IC, US and Tag Titles, they are totally meaningless. The fewer titles the better, WCW always had too many titles.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Aug 31, 2013 10:48:15 GMT -5
no it wouldn't. Old school WWF always felt underrepresented belt wise, which I think they knew which is why they occasionally had KotR or the Million Dollar title defended. . The Million Dollar title was just a gimmick to make Dibiase look cooler. I can remember it being defended maybe twice, once at WMVI and then the Virgil feud. KOTR didn't even make it to PPV until 1993, long after the IC title had its golden age with Savage/Steamboat/Honky/Warrior/Rude/Mr Perfect. The fewer belts, the more important they become. [/quote I have to disagree with that last statement. In the 80s the NWA had quite a few championships. The NWA world, The U.S., The National Heavyweight, The World Television, The World Tag Team, National Tag Team(later to be the U.S. Tag team), and the World Six Man Tag team championships. * championships in all and the NWA managed to make them all look important. So really its nota case of WWE having to many titles, WWE just doens't know how to make them look important
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Post by kevin on Aug 31, 2013 12:03:14 GMT -5
It's the secondary title, like the IC title used to be in the 80s. Why get rid of it? Get rid of the IC, US and Tag Titles, they are totally meaningless. The fewer titles the better, WCW always had too many titles. I think getting rid of the WHC is a horendous idea. It is a belt with meaning that people fued over. Getting rid of the IC and US belts would make a lot more sense. No one in the company is fighting for those belts no one cuts promos saying that want them they havent been booked as important for more than a few weeks at a time for years those are the true worthless belts. I think the tag titles still have a lot of play left and are needed though I do wish more teams would talk about wanting to have them.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 31, 2013 13:20:33 GMT -5
The furore over it being called a World Title actually misses the point in the current era. The way WWE presents itself now, it's still a linear progression.
The US Title represents one country. The Intercontinental Title represents two continents. The World Heavyweight Title represents the world. The WWE Title represents the UNIVERSE.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 31, 2013 13:22:32 GMT -5
Just go back to the pre-split formula; merge the WWE and WHC titles, merge the US and IC titles and be done with it. If a lower tier stepping stone title is needed then just bring back the European title. They just have too many belts floating around and it detracts from their value.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 31, 2013 13:50:31 GMT -5
See i get merging the two world titles
I don't get people saying merge the us and ic belts, then bring back the euro belt.
Why? The euro and ic belt were Just as interchangeable
You have all the belts to give people something menial to fight over
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