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Post by mrjl on Aug 27, 2013 18:11:06 GMT -5
no it wouldn't. Old school WWF always felt underrepresented belt wise, which I think they knew which is why they occasionally had KotR or the Million Dollar title defended. While I always like WWF's in ring stuff better, WCW's gold; the World, US, TV, Tag and US tag titles were always the best title option for me. WWE could always make their own TV Title. It should be... WWE Title: main eventers IC Title: midcarders that they try to pretend are "main eventers" (Miz, Ziggles, Del Rio, Barrett, Ryback, RVD, Shield) TV Title: midcarders that they don't try to pretend are main eventers (Kofi, Cody, Real Americans + low carders). Certain guys move up and down as needed. WWE will never make a title called the TV title, because that implies being on TV is something special when for Vince that is the absolute minimum necessary to be considered a success. If Zack hadn't made his internet title look like him they might have let that appear occasionally. And if the Network ever actually gets off the ground I could see a WWE Network title. |
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 27, 2013 18:12:18 GMT -5
Nowadays, it pretty much exists to give Alberto del Rio a way to look important while keeping his black hole of aggressive apathy away from the real main eventers. Exactly. Let's not get rid of our "HIDE DEL RIO" button. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 27, 2013 18:29:52 GMT -5
It sucks. It dilutes the WWE and IC championships. The WWE, IC, Tag and Divas titles would suffice. no it wouldn't. Old school WWF always felt underrepresented belt wise, which I think they knew which is why they occasionally had KotR or the Million Dollar title defended. . The Million Dollar title was just a gimmick to make Dibiase look cooler. I can remember it being defended maybe twice, once at WMVI and then the Virgil feud. KOTR didn't even make it to PPV until 1993, long after the IC title had its golden age with Savage/Steamboat/Honky/Warrior/Rude/Mr Perfect. The fewer belts, the more important they become. |
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Post by mrjl on Aug 27, 2013 18:35:42 GMT -5
no it wouldn't. Old school WWF always felt underrepresented belt wise, which I think they knew which is why they occasionally had KotR or the Million Dollar title defended. . The Million Dollar title was just a gimmick to make Dibiase look cooler. I can remember it being defended maybe twice, once at WMVI and then the Virgil feud. KOTR didn't even make it to PPV until 1993, long after the IC title had its golden age with Savage/Steamboat/Honky/Warrior/Rude/Mr Perfect. The fewer belts, the more important they become. Dibiase defended the Million Dollar Belt against Jake Roberts and Virgil. But it was there and the option was there. Same with the King of the Ring which Haku and Jim Duggan defended. I don't know if Savage ever did. And it's not about the title matches, it's about the number of people claiming greatness. You can't call everyone a champion, you don't call everyone a king. So the people you do call that must be pretty damn special |
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 27, 2013 18:40:45 GMT -5
The Million Dollar title was just a gimmick to make Dibiase look cooler. I can remember it being defended maybe twice, once at WMVI and then the Virgil feud. KOTR didn't even make it to PPV until 1993, long after the IC title had its golden age with Savage/Steamboat/Honky/Warrior/Rude/Mr Perfect. The fewer belts, the more important they become. Dibiase defended the Million Dollar Belt against Jake Roberts and Virgil. But it was there and the option was there. Same with the King of the Ring which Haku and Jim Duggan defended. I don't know if Savage ever did. And it's not about the title matches, it's about the number of people claiming greatness. You can't call everyone a champion, you don't call everyone a king. So the people you do call that must be pretty damn special Oh you meant the actual "king" thing. That seemed to be just a gimmick they stuck on various people they didn't have better ideas for. It didn't strike me as being particularly special. Nowhere near the same level as a title. Same goes for the Million Dollar belt. |
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Aug 27, 2013 19:17:56 GMT -5
The WHC is essentially what the IC title used to be.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 27, 2013 19:32:59 GMT -5
The WHC is essentially what the IC title used to be. Which is exactly why it needs to go. Upper midcarders should not be called "world champions". A major difference between the IC Title of old and the current World Heavyweight Title is presentation. While the wrestlers competing for the WHC are have noticeably less star power and are given less story focus than those competing for the WWE Title, kayfabe wise, we're supposed to think that they're equal. We were never supposed to think that the Honky Tonk Man, Ricky Steamboat, Mr. Perfect or Tito Santana were as big as Hulk Hogan, but WWE wants us to suspend disbelief and believe that Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Christian, RVD, etc. are on the same level as John Cena and CM Punk. WWE can't seem to decide whether the WHC is a world title or an upper midcard title. They want to have their cake and eat it too and have it be both. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 20:34:07 GMT -5
I want the Hardcore title back, personally. It'd be a good excuse to let the lower-card guys, y'know, do something potentially memorable every now and then. No need to make it 24/7 or anything, if anything they should have dropped that after Mania 2000, but I want to see it come back just to give guys like Hawkins or Yoshi the chance to occasionally do something different. Specifically them, since they really need a designated lower-card title because as it stands most of the guys who just float aimlessly on Superstars don't have much of a reason to be employed.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 27, 2013 21:04:16 GMT -5
Hawkins and Yoshi are still with WWE?
Rather than creating a title for guys like that, they'd probably be better served in tag team wrestling.
I doubt a hardcore title could be compatible with a family friendly WWE
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 27, 2013 21:07:19 GMT -5
They should give it to Brock. Every match he's in has a big fight feel, & if you give him the belt, it instantly becomes credible again Only if he beats Punk for the title. Punk would give the belt instant cred They have as many belts as they did during the attitude era. The problem is not the titles. It is wwe making titles matter. Which they haven't since 1997 |
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Post by percymania on Aug 28, 2013 0:39:52 GMT -5
That belt is way too recognizable. No way should they get rid of it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2013 0:58:53 GMT -5
It's recognisable as the WCW title, which died when that company did, despite WWE's best efforts at trying to spin a linear link.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 28, 2013 0:59:32 GMT -5
The ic belt/us belt are easy to id as the midcard belt
Put it on a guy on the way up or on a guy that hits his cieling
World title is the consulation/have this belt for main eventers not trying to be champ.
Undertaker, Edge, Batista, HHH, all added prestige.
World Title can matter put it on a guy who is over and can get over.
They should have kept it on Ziggler and establish him as the other guy.
People will pop Huge when alberto loses it to a guy like Punk or Ryback
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 28, 2013 1:06:51 GMT -5
That belt is way too recognizable. No way should they get rid of it. I agree with you on that. The BELT is recognizable, but I do not see this current incarnation of the World Heavyweight Title as the same as the NWA/WCW/"OG" world title. The Big Gold Belt is prestigious and thus should not be used as a "secondary" belt. A good idea would be to unify the belts, and let the Big Gold represent the WWE Championship, but Vince would never let the "WCW belt" be THE top belt in his company. The only reason he keeps it as it is now is (along with the U.S. Title) is as a reminder of his winning the Monday Night Wars. If WWE can't use the Big Gold as THE top belt the way that it deserves to be, then it should be laid to rest or given to a promotion who will use it as its primary title. The ic belt/us belt are easy to id as the midcard belt Put it on a guy on the way up or on a guy that hits his cieling World title is the consulation/have this belt for main eventers not trying to be champ. Undertaker, Edge, Batista, HHH, all added prestige. World Title can matter put it on a guy who is over and can get over. They should have kept it on Ziggler and establish him as the other guy. People will pop Huge when alberto loses it to a guy like Punk or Ryback The problem with WWE right now as a whole and the reason why the titles are such a mess right now is because they're pushing too many people as "main eventers" when some of them aren't there yet or never will be. And some of them have no chance at being THE top guy the way that Austin/Rock/Cena is/was or that they're grooming Bryan to be right now, but WWE won't just let them actually BE midcarders and just lets them float around in this weird middle spot where they're "too good" for midcard, but won't be in line for a World Title any time soon. As a result, we have a bloated main event scene, and a poor midcard because the majority of the midcard consists of demoted main event guys, while real midcarders like Tons of Funk, Alex Riley, Zack Ryder, Curt Hawkins, JTG, Yoshi Tatsu, Santino Marella, Evan Bourne (admittedly by his own doing), Justin Gabriel, and 3MB are made out to look like scrubs or rendered into non-entities. The only true midcarders we have are Rhodes, Kofi, Cesaro, Swagger, Axel, Sin Cara, the Wyatt Family, Fandango, and the PTPs who are coasting off of Darren Young's sexuality. There shouldn't be a "consolation prize" title. That's the thing that has diminished the World Title to begin with. The Main eventers not trying to be WWE Champion should either be in non-title feuds (like Cena throughout most of 2012), helping to put over up and comers (not necessarily by losing to them), or being paired up with a partner and competing in the tag division. Also some of those guys who have hit a ceiling of being A top guy, but not THE top guy, should be used in that Chris Jericho role of being able to float between midcard and main event divisions when needed. And when they work the midcard they shouldn't stick out like a sore thumb the way that guys like Barrett, Miz, or Ziggler do. |
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 28, 2013 1:08:51 GMT -5
That belt is way too recognizable. No way should they get rid of it. I agree with you on that. The BELT is recognizable, but I do not see this current incarnation of the World Heavyweight Title as the same as the NWA/WCW/"OG" world title. The Big Gold Belt is prestigious and thus should not be used as a "secondary" belt. A good idea would be to unify the belts, and let the Big Gold represent the WWE Championship, but Vince would never let the "WCW belt" be THE top belt in his company. The only reason he keeps it as it is now is (along with the U.S. Title) is as a reminder of his winning the Monday Night Wars. If WWE can't use the Big Gold as THE top belt the way that it deserves to be, then it should be laid to rest or given to a promotion who will use it as its primary title. Careful on that last statement. Vince could just have it replace the NXT Championship belt as the top title in NXT. |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 28, 2013 1:18:26 GMT -5
Since the brand split, the whole reason it was created, has ended, there's no reason to have it anymore.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 28, 2013 6:44:24 GMT -5
The WHC is essentially what the IC title used to be. Which is exactly why it needs to go. Upper midcarders should not be called "world champions". A major difference between the IC Title of old and the current World Heavyweight Title is presentation. While the wrestlers competing for the WHC are have noticeably less star power and are given less story focus than those competing for the WWE Title, kayfabe wise, we're supposed to think that they're equal. We were never supposed to think that the Honky Tonk Man, Ricky Steamboat, Mr. Perfect or Tito Santana were as big as Hulk Hogan, but WWE wants us to suspend disbelief and believe that Alberto Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Christian, RVD, etc. are on the same level as John Cena and CM Punk. WWE can't seem to decide whether the WHC is a world title or an upper midcard title. They want to have their cake and eat it too and have it be both. Noticeably less star power? I just checked the lists of World Heavyweight Champions. The only ones who haven't also been WWE champs are Goldberg, King Booker, The Great Khali, Jack Swagger, Mark Henry, Christian and Dolph Ziggler |
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Post by Session Moth is over on Aug 28, 2013 7:40:56 GMT -5
I hate the idea of two world titles on one show. I'd get rid of the World title and make the IC title the number two title in the company and bring back the European title for the lower card guys. But then I have always had a soft spot for the European title evening bringing it back in the WWE games.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 29, 2013 1:47:51 GMT -5
Why get rid of it? Smackdown apparently will be brought back to prominence, which means a sawft brand split.
Give the belt to Punk and give him free reign on smackdown just having a bret hart type of fighting champion reign defending against everybody from Yoshi Tatsu to Bray Wyatt to Brrrock Lesnar.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 29, 2013 2:12:32 GMT -5
Why get rid of it? Smackdown apparently will be brought back to prominence, which means a sawft brand split. Give the belt to Punk and give him free reign on smackdown just having a bret hart type of fighting champion reign defending against everybody from Yoshi Tatsu to Bray Wyatt to Brrrock Lesnar. Too many storylines are overshadowing the WHC to the point where it's not the main thing on SD anymore. The Shield was more important than the WHC. Cody/Sandow was getting more focus in the build to Summerslam, and now the Bryan/Corporation stuff is he focus of both shows. The WHC will always be the 3rd-4th most important thing going on at any given time. 5th if John Cena ISN'T going after the WWE Title. |
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