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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 31, 2013 13:53:55 GMT -5
See i get merging the two world titles I don't get people saying merge the us and ic belts, then bring back the euro belt. Why? The euro and ic belt were Just as interchangeable You have all the belts to give people something menial to fight over Because the WHC and U.S. Titles are merely trophies from the Monday Night Wars. I see no reason to get rid of one and keep the other. WWE should use all of their own belts rather using the WCW leftovers and piggybacking off of their history. Ideally, the IC Title is supposed to be for upper midcard guys like The Miz or Cody Rhodes, while the Euro Title would be for your Zack Ryder, Heath Slater types to give them something to do other than jobbing.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 31, 2013 14:07:07 GMT -5
The US title has to be the most redundant, because it really is just the Intercontinental Title but without South America. At least the Euro belt represents a different portion of the world. And heck, now we have more genuine European wrestlers to actually compete for it.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 31, 2013 14:44:32 GMT -5
Midcard belt is a midcard belt. Is the thing. So you just feel preference. Meh.
I don't think vince as patriotic as he is would ever get rid of the us title
And hhh loved the nwa, so big gold stays
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 31, 2013 14:49:26 GMT -5
Midcard belt is a midcard belt. Is the thing. So you just feel preference. Meh. I don't think vince as patriotic as he is would ever get rid of the us title And hhh loved the nwa, so big gold stays Why can't the belts be unified and the Big Gold just become the WWE Championship then? Why can't Alberto Del Rio just be a strongly booked and relevant Intercontinental Champion? Why does WWE need to give him faux main event status to put him over? It's not so much about the midcard belts needing to be "important" so much as WWE needing to learn how to get a guy over and make fans care about him without having to make them the Next Big Thing all the time.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 31, 2013 15:03:25 GMT -5
They don't need a European Championship. They never needed one. It was one of the most pointless titles ever created in WWE
The Intercontinental title should be the sole mid-card title. The WHC should be scrapped because it damages both the WWE and IC titles. Dilutes both their significance.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 31, 2013 15:05:56 GMT -5
The US and IC belts were basically equivalent of each other during the WWF/WCW days-they were the respective #2 titles and holding either meant you were well on your way to the top belt. This was continued when the US title was revived during the brand split days, with it being billed as Smackdown's version of the IC belt. Now that the split is officially over, it is rather contradictory to have the two both out there, unless you openly acknowledge one of them as being ranked below the other. The argument in favor of a revival of the European championship is not really about the belt itself, its more about the idea of there being the top title, a #2 title, and a mid-card title. The Euro belt was basically in the WWF what the TV title was in WCW; it was a way to elevate lower card talent who were getting groomed to take that next step up. You could argue for using the US title to fill that role, but because of the belt's history as a #2 title it is hard to swallow the idea of it being downgraded in such fashion. The bottom line comes down to the simple fact that they are still using a formula that no longer has a purpose. They recognized this when they mergd the tag titles and retired the women's title in favor of the diva's title. There is no good reason to have two top titles and two #2 titles, it just crowds the roster and detracts from the overall value of each belt. It would be best to streamline things by merging them, and if there is a feeling that a mid-card title is still needed they can just revive one of the various belts they now have in their history.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 31, 2013 15:32:25 GMT -5
The US title has to be the most redundant, because it really is just the Intercontinental Title but without South America. At least the Euro belt represents a different portion of the world. And heck, now we have more genuine European wrestlers to actually compete for it. Intercontinental can easily describe Europe. I've always liked the US title better. I don't care if it becomes a stepping stone to the IC title, which it should be. The IC title should get the WHC "prestige" right now, meaning the 2nd best title. Without any lower card titles, the IC title becomes the "starter" belt.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 31, 2013 15:34:53 GMT -5
wwe (big time players) ic title (what the whc is now) us title (mid-carders) tag titles divas crusierweight (why not? could give jobbers and superstars regulars something to do)
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 31, 2013 15:41:51 GMT -5
I more wish that they would just give up on Del Rio already. No matter what they do with him and how hard they try to make him a legit Main Eventer, he just not the guy. I hope RVD win the belt, yes I'm saying it. Only because at less the guy is over and can make that belt something again. As long he doesn't screw like the last time he was WWE champion. At less he can have a good match that fans give a crap about.
Del Rio is a solid wrestler but not a MEer. He missing something that gives him a reason to care about him. Richardo was great but he was more over then Del Rio was himself.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 31, 2013 15:43:18 GMT -5
Just keep the belts.
I am a belt mark
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 31, 2013 15:50:51 GMT -5
wwe (big time players) ic title (what the whc is now) us title (mid-carders) tag titles divas crusierweight (why not? could give jobbers and superstars regulars something to do) I like your idea, but I wold prefer the midcard title being the European Title or a newly created Television Title. The title for smaller guys, imo should be a revived Light Heavyweight Championship. Or ideally, I'd say that they should revive the Hardcore Championship and let that title unofficially be the "high flier" belt, where the relaxed rules could allow certain wrestlers with "niche", "unorthodox", or "specialized" in ring styles (but may not necessarily be under the weight limit) can just use the entire ringside environment. I'd prefer WWE use all of their own belts rather than use any of the WCW belts.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 31, 2013 15:57:07 GMT -5
wwe (big time players) ic title (what the whc is now) us title (mid-carders) tag titles divas crusierweight (why not? could give jobbers and superstars regulars something to do) I like your idea, but I wold prefer the midcard title being the European Title or a newly created Television Title. The title for smaller guys, imo should be a revived Light Heavyweight Championship. Or ideally, I'd say that they should revive the Hardcore Championship and let that title unofficially be the "high flier" belt, where the relaxed rules could allow certain wrestlers with "niche", "unorthodox", or "specialized" in ring styles (but may not necessarily be under the weight limit) can just use the entire ringside environment. I'd prefer WWE use all of their own belts rather than use any of the WCW belts. yeah but the hardcore championship could qucikly be given to a golden boy who needs something to do. For instance thay could feasibly give a hardcore title to a ryback, kane, or big show, leaving the low card guys out in the cold again. Just because someone is not a main eventer doesn't mean there isn't a fine division between them and the rest of the card. Our proposed Light Heavyweight/Crusierweight belt should be for the sin caras/zack ryders/justin gabriels/tyson kidds/santinos guys who won't be used anywhere else and they would be "protected" by the belt parameters
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 31, 2013 15:59:11 GMT -5
Jabronis and jobbers to the stars should never have their own title. Belts are supposed to be for the best in elite divisions.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 31, 2013 16:10:48 GMT -5
I like your idea, but I wold prefer the midcard title being the European Title or a newly created Television Title. The title for smaller guys, imo should be a revived Light Heavyweight Championship. Or ideally, I'd say that they should revive the Hardcore Championship and let that title unofficially be the "high flier" belt, where the relaxed rules could allow certain wrestlers with "niche", "unorthodox", or "specialized" in ring styles (but may not necessarily be under the weight limit) can just use the entire ringside environment. I'd prefer WWE use all of their own belts rather than use any of the WCW belts. yeah but the hardcore championship could qucikly be given to a golden boy who needs something to do. For instance thay could feasibly give a hardcore title to a ryback, kane, or big show, leaving the low card guys out in the cold again. Just because someone is not a main eventer doesn't mean there isn't a fine division between them and the rest of the card. Our proposed Light Heavyweight/Crusierweight belt should be for the sin caras/zack ryders/justin gabriels/tyson kidds/santinos guys who won't be used anywhere else and they would be "protected" by the belt parameters I don't think they would be left out in the cold, as long as WWE doesn't forget that they're the champion and randomly throw them into main event angles because they're "needed" the way they did with Team Hell No as tag champs. As long as guys like Ryback, Kane, and Big Show are interacting with those guys and not just hoarding the belt while feuding with Bryan, Punk, or Miz over nothing, it's fine. Actually the Hardcore belt would be fitting for Ryback and his bully character. And the guidelines of Hardcore Championship matches would actually close the disparity between the Sin Cara, Zack Ryder types and the Ryback, Kane, Big Show types. Ryback could crush a guy like Zack Ryder in a straight up one on one match. Kane would probably squash Tyson Kidd, but Kidd could take the fight to Kane by throwing Tables, Ladders and chairs into the equation. At least with the belt, big guys tossing little guys around would have a purpose instead of just being "send a message to John Cena" or whatever. And with the relaxed rules of the belt, I like the idea of bigger guys being able to do things like this: or this...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 16:11:37 GMT -5
I say get rid of the diva titles and have the divas start competing for the IC title.
Curtis Axel as Andy Kaufman = new boom period.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 31, 2013 16:11:38 GMT -5
I'd prefer it if they went back to the just the titles they had back in the day: World Heavyweight Championship (what is now the WWE title), Intercontinental Championship, Tag Team Championship, Women's Championship. It would hurt nothing to have only these titles.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Aug 31, 2013 16:16:37 GMT -5
At one point I was all for keeping two world titles around, because I felt the roster was too bloated to have a single top title without promising talent getting lost in the shuffle. But as of recently, they've streamlined their approach to pushes and aren't calling people up before they're ready anymore- not to mention that the WWE Title is obviously being touted as the company's top title, whereas the WHC hasn't main evented a show since God made dirt.
I'm normally not one to say a title can lose prestige, but the WHC has lost a considerable amount of prestige recently. I don't even blame Del Rio fo it, but he and the belt are clearly spinning its wheels.- it's definitely today's IC title now. The two belts are finally ready to be merged.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 31, 2013 16:35:04 GMT -5
The more belts they have,the more toy replicas they can sell.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 31, 2013 16:39:36 GMT -5
The more belts they have,the more toy replicas they can sell. Agreed. The number of belts they have is fine. The problem is that kayfabe wise, it needs to be made clear who each belt is meant to be for.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 31, 2013 17:30:35 GMT -5
One thing I've never understood, what is the holder of a TV title actually champion of?
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