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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 6:32:51 GMT -5
If this was a battle between two generals, no-one would care if one general was winning at one stage of the battle, they would only care who won outright.
Vince won outright, and now has a monopoly over wrestling, and can now attempt a film division or whatever for his own personal amusement. Eric is now dealing with failed reality tv projects and 2nd rate wrestling promotions.
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Post by arrx on Aug 30, 2013 11:50:26 GMT -5
WWE Response to Bischoff and Hogan
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 30, 2013 11:56:39 GMT -5
While I realize that what ultimately became of WCW was not all Bischoff's doing, I am nonetheless inclined to feel that Paul Heyman actually would have been a better booker for TNA if they had managed to sign a deal with him. Not for nothing, but so much of what has been going on in TNA since Bischoff and Hogan arrived has basically been WCW lite. Heyman at least described ideas and sounded fresh and different. And I might add that TNA was enjoying their best ratings and reviews when they were doing things Heyman had talked about like pushing fresh talent and forging their own identity compared to WWE. Or maybe I am just jaded.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2013 12:59:00 GMT -5
Bischoff would still work well in WWE. Other than Vince McMahon he's the only credible kayfabe authority figure in wrestling. If Hogan returned the fans would welcome him back like a madman.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 30, 2013 15:28:04 GMT -5
WWE Response to Bischoff and Hogan And since the WWE is the House that Hulk Built, he will always be a huge money maker for them. "But he's too old and broken down to work a match". Doesn't have to do that to make money for Vince.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 30, 2013 15:33:15 GMT -5
Hogan should return to WWE and say "I've been hearing good things about Daniel Bryan brothas, this guy is the real deal"
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Aug 30, 2013 16:03:33 GMT -5
I never want to see Hogan again in WWE. Nostalgia be damned, today's WWE has no place for him.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Aug 30, 2013 16:53:54 GMT -5
Hogan's ambiguity in these videos is a work of art. "Give Eric the keys to the car, and in an ideal world, all the resources he wants". Oh really Hulk? And these resources of which you speak - what are they, and what would Eric do with them if he had them?
Bischoff has only one strategy - buy up all the stuff that is making money for your competition. That was his masterplan for WCW, and it worked up to a point. But current TNA has got Bischoff's fingerprints all over it - big ideas with no obvious payoff, overarching storylines that, when they finally come to an end, don't have anything to fill the monstrous void they leave in their wake.
Aces & 8's is looking likely to end at about the same time that Hogan's current contract expires. This is no coincidence. Come October, Hogan will go, assuming Vince offers him a Legends deal. A's & 8's will die its death and TNA will do what exactly? There's no other evident story germinating and ready to fill its spot.
So over three years, Hogan and Bischoff have contributed what to the program? A few months of the Hogan and friends nostalgia trip - Nasties! Venis! Flair! Immortal! Followed by the Bischoff Dynasty Saga - Carrot Bischoff. The face you can't get behind and the heel you just want to get the hell off the screen and Aces & 8's - Sons of Wrestling.
They've padded out and padded out their limited set of ideas to last Hogan's contract, and once he goes, they'll talk (to anyone who'll listen) about how they had great plans for that little show, brother, but the money just wasn't there to make it happen, jack.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 30, 2013 16:53:59 GMT -5
Hogan just did a new interview and here's one of his quotes:
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 30, 2013 16:57:23 GMT -5
Yet, TNA is still in "restructuring mode".
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 30, 2013 17:12:52 GMT -5
Has anything Hogan's done outside of Wrestling ever been successful? Now I know Vince hasn't been tremendously successful outside of wrestling either but he's had a success or two. Hogan, it just seems like everything turns to whatever the opposite of gold is.
Thunder in Paradise lasted only like one or two seasons, if that. The Boot band CD was wrestlecrap induction worthy as were all his movies aside from perhaps NHB (I thought it was awful but perhaps the wrestling aspect interested some). The burger company never made waves, if it is even still in business. The micro reality show I don't think went past the first season. The pasta shop closed down. And I'm darn sure that the George Foreman grill which is still a huge seller nearly 20 years later would not have lasted one summer season if it had Hulk's image.
Obviously we have him to partially credit, along with Vince's ingenuity, for the 1980s wrestling boom but the majority of his dealings have been terribly unsuccessful.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 30, 2013 18:12:49 GMT -5
From PWinsider:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 19:16:16 GMT -5
To be fair to Eric though, what company has EVER had any success against the WWE? The product may have sucked at times, but since the territory days it's been a juggernaut that's swallowed up everything in sight. Yes. WCW failed eventually but it's also the only company that really boosted past the E for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 19:18:09 GMT -5
Hulk: Throw as much money and power as possible to my buddy and you'll see results... on my bank account.
Dixie: *nods in approval*
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Aug 31, 2013 6:20:56 GMT -5
Here is a simple fact - given unlimited resources, anyone could take a business and make it a short term success. Hell, with unlimited funds to throw at the talent, production and advertising, "Hulk Hogan's All-Star Potato Peeling" would see a limited spike in the ratings. Once people realised that in fact all the show consisted of was Hogan and a bunch of celebrities peeling potatoes then interest would rapidly dwindle, but they'd get an initial buzz from curiosity alone.
But TNA doesn't need an initial buzz. It needs a steady increase in its fanbase. And while having unlimited funding may allow them to bring in new talent and promote the product, if the core show itself is weak then they won't maintain anything other than a steady bleeding away of disgruntled viewers who tuned in based on promises that weren't subsequently kept. If I were Dixie, I'd let Hulk and Eric's contracts expire, quietly cut them loose and sit tight.
Attempting to bring in either Heyman or Cornette may not be a bad idea at this stage, as long as they were given full reign creatively.
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Post by Medicinal Thunder Liger on Aug 31, 2013 7:52:51 GMT -5
am I the only one who thought that break in between questions with the picture of him and his theme was freaking HILARIOUS?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 31, 2013 8:12:07 GMT -5
I agree with others in this thread who have said they're getting their excuses in early for when they're shown the door in October. 'Yeah, our ideas have crippled the company, but it's not our fault, we needed more money but TNA were to small time to give it to us!' TNA have backed all of their ideas, given into all of their demands but have been left treading water, putting in far more effort to stay exactly where they were. I'm sure Hogan will do a Flair tour before reappearing in the WWE, giving shoot interviews where he'll bury TNA and it's roster and will never be pressed to justify bad ideas that were purely his doing, but that's par for the course at this point. I think at this point, Bischoff is utterly discredited as the head of a wrestling company, his ideas boil down to mortgaging the future in the hope of short term gain and doing things things he would never, ever try were the money coming from his own pocket. Attempting to bring in either Heyman or Cornette may not be a bad idea at this stage, as long as they were given full reign creatively. Ask ROH fans about what happens when you give Jim Cornette full reign over a wrestling company. You can kiss fun goodbye!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 31, 2013 9:00:25 GMT -5
The only company in history to beat WWE in the ratings? The one where the WWE got so close to going out of business they couldn't keep water coolers in the office because they didn't have the money? The company that did that? Yeah, you're right. It'd be stupid. Yeah, in 1997. Now, WWE is an established worldwide empire with revenue of 450 million yearly. Sure, I'm not taking away Bischoff's accomplishments, but let's not et ahead of ourselves here. That was nearly 2 decades ago when guy's like Hogan and Sting were still massively relevant and popular, not to mention Bischoff has the checkbook of a Billionaire and signed many top stars from WWE. I highly doubt someone like John Cena is going to go over to TNA for less money. Think about it, WCW has enough money to offer the star's MORE to go to WCW. I highly doubt TNA has enough money to even keep Hulk Hogan on pay-roll for another 2 years. And besides, people don't look at the other underlined fact's about the Monday Night War's. One was that RAW wasn't an established brand yet, they were taping show 2, three weeks in advance. They didn't have a top face. They were still booking the cartoonish character's while WCW was more edgy and "real." And to be honest, watching back to old episodes on the internet, Nitro was a better product around the time because RAW wasn't as nearly as entertaining. Once they establish a top face and their core product going forward (the Attitude Era) WCW got their asses kicked. Now, RAW get's 3 to 4 million viewer's a night, they have a top face, they have an established brand, and WWE makes 450 million dollar's a year. And, it's much, much more entertaining than it was in 1995-1996. Sure, you can use statistic's from the past to prove that Bischoff was successful. But it does not mean he will be in 2013. Especially without the resources and talent that WCW had. This. All of this
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 31, 2013 9:50:37 GMT -5
All of the above, well stated. Added to that, I would like to hear just how TNA is in better shape now than they were before Hogan and Bischoff were brought in. To be sure, TNA was not some dominant force in wrestling, but several years ago they did seem to be on the verge of breaking out. They had assembled a very talented and diverse roster and were starting to draw ratings comparable to WWE-albeit to the third string show, WWECW. They were just starting to expand into new revenue sources like video games or going on the road every now and then. They were building relationships with SHIMMER and with feds in Mexico and Japan-and it was in no small part because of those things that they had put together a women's roster that was drawing praise across the board. What have been the results of Hogan's tenure that have made things so much better?
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Aug 31, 2013 10:35:06 GMT -5
Giving Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara the "keys to the car" is a better idea than having Bischoff and Hogan holding those same keys. Russo and Ed booked TNA at it's most popular point, Bischoff has done nothing to prove that he can provide something that people want to see in the past god knows how long and therefore is not qualified to have complete ownership over this metaphorical car until he proves he can do so in some manner.
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