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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 20:07:07 GMT -5
The reason the Austin/McMahon storyline was so successful was that it was cathartic to see Austin constantly and utterly destroying and embarrassing these corporate stuffed-shirts who kept trying (and failing) to hold him down. It wasn't so much a "will the underdog finally defeat the corporate machine" story as it was like watching a Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote cartoon. McMahon almost always came away looking weak and foolish in this angle, which was what made people so eager to see Austin get his hands on him, and I can't see HHH doing that.
I get the blurred kayfabe/reality angle, but if you can't have 1997 Vince McMahon, you almost need a guy like Johnny Ace or Paul Heyman in the role - some slimy character who surrounds himself with tougher guys like Orton and the Shield while the crowd clamors to see Bryan finally get to him. The "Ultimate Ass-kicker" just doesn't work in that role.
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Post by Chip on Sept 1, 2013 20:07:41 GMT -5
I'm loving it, It feels really great to be able to cheer for somebody that I'm supposed to cheer for for once. I can't wait to see Bryan kick Randys head in and get his belt back, no matter the shenanigans that lead up to it. I have no fear that they will screw over Bryan, why? It's Daniel Bryan, only Bryan could lose a world title in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania and come out of that more popular then when he went in.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Sept 1, 2013 20:10:26 GMT -5
If they are honestly leaving WWE as a fan over this I'd caution them not to let the door hit their ass on the way out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 20:10:43 GMT -5
Some people like it, some people hate it. What else is new?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 1, 2013 20:13:25 GMT -5
I'm loving it, It feels really great to be able to cheer for somebody that I'm supposed to cheer for for once. I can't wait to see Bryan kick Randys head in and get his belt back, no matter the shenanigans that lead up to it. I have no fear that they will screw over Bryan, why? It's Daniel Bryan, only Bryan could lose a world title in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania and come out of that more popular then when he went in. For once, Triple H is the legit underdog... Can he bury the unburiable?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 1, 2013 20:16:37 GMT -5
I just don't want to watch Boreton or ZZZs have a lot of TV time
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 20:18:09 GMT -5
Reactions are fairly divided. It's telling that some feel like everyone likes it and some feel like everyone hates it.
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Post by HBL on Sept 1, 2013 20:20:03 GMT -5
I personally love it. Though the outcome remains to be seen as this is very likely to share the same fate with Punk/HHH.
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Post by RIHT on Sept 1, 2013 20:25:41 GMT -5
To me...The whole thing is being built up to the point that the only real person that can stop Triple H is...unseen board of director members. Hooray. If Daniel Bryan would actually win at NOC, all Trips has to do is, again, Pedigree him and immediately restart the match because he's the COO and he's got all the power and no one can ever stop him from doing what is right for this business, blah, blah, blah. At the end of the day, the only person who can stop Triple H is someone never on television. It's kind of a dull concept to me. What about Stone Cold vs. Vince McMahon? How many times did Austin foil McMahon's plans without the board?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 1, 2013 20:34:01 GMT -5
People bring up Austin vs. McMahon, do people remember how many weeks ended with Austin or whatever good guy left laying after a beatdown by either the Corporation or the McMahon Hemsley Regime. Happened a lot.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Sept 1, 2013 20:35:00 GMT -5
I'm loving it so far, hopefully they keep it up!
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Post by Starshine on Sept 1, 2013 20:39:00 GMT -5
McMahon/Austin worked because they didn't have all that political BS piled on top of it. McMahon just wanted a champion who would bend to his will, and Austin wasn't that champion. It was easy to follow, and didn't rely on too many political undertones. We didn't get boring promos about how Austin was a "mid card talent at best." It was fun, and we got to live vicariously through Austin as he kicked McMahon's ass every week.
All "THIS BUSINESS" talk going on throughout this angle is so dull. I want to see guys kick ass, not discuss marketing agendas and crap like that.
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Post by Chris on Sept 1, 2013 20:46:21 GMT -5
I spent over $350 for a pair of 300 level tickets (third party) to attend SummerSlam this year. I had a great time and thought it was a great show.
After the ending of Raw the night after, I was ready to stop watching for a while.
I'm sure everything has already been said before, but I'll echo the sentiment: This storyline is putting over HHH more than anyone else...and he doesn't need it. Saying that it is unnecessary is an understatement. It is completely uninteresting, unoriginal, and it really sucks the life out of the show. They had been doing a good job of putting Daniel Bryan over prior to this and now it has stopped that push dead in its tracks. Rather than watching and enjoying the rise of a talented Superstar, I'm having to suffer through this beaten to death powerplay storyline that leaves so much to be desired.
The booking of the entire roster being out there on the stage not once but twice while DB got the beatdown is an embarrassment. Obviously it is leading to a more complex angle involving other performers but it suffered from sloppy writing and poor refinement. HHH and Vince should have threatened the entire roster THE FIRST WEEK. Additionally, making these "tough" competitors who are presented as "stars" look like inferior, job-scared cowards is to the benefit of absolutely no one. It becomes impossible to suspend disbelief and does a lot to ruin the mystique of both the babyface and the hell characters.
This storyline is really sucking the fun out of this for me as a fan.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 1, 2013 20:57:57 GMT -5
Just rejuvenated the wwe and you hit all the points.
Smackdown sealed and sold the story to me. I am hooked and an going in with low expectations.
Some people just want to nitpick and tear apart everything wwe does. If they booked wwe i am sure they would bash their own product.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2013 20:58:43 GMT -5
I sure do, primarily because it's just a variation on 'evil boss in power screws over face' we've seen since 1998.
Couple that with me not really liking Randy Orton, and being even tired of HHH and yeah, I don't like this storyline at all.
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Post by Juice on Sept 1, 2013 20:59:19 GMT -5
I like the storyline thus far
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2013 21:02:01 GMT -5
I like that Miz and Ziggler are finally getting the kickstart that they never got when they initially turned, but I can do without Big Show's involvement. I'd swap him out for Cody Rhodes or even someone lower on the card who can be the "little buddy" of the Rebel Alliance and motivate Bryan to kick more f***ing heads in instead of just taking the beatings week in and week out.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 1, 2013 21:07:37 GMT -5
A few things they need to do to preserve the story quality....
- Keep Orton and Bryan apart as much as possible. Bryan should be constantly demanding a one-on-one with Orton and being denied it. Orton's interaction with Bryan should be either at a safe distance where Bryan can't get to him, or taking cheap shots only when Bryan is restrained. If they do have matches, they should be absurdly biased stipulations in favour of Orton and he should always win, until eventually Bryan gets him in a straight fair match and destroys him
- Keep the people involved to a minimum. The worst thing they can do is have too many Corporation guys and too many rebels. Otherwise the quality of the factions decline, like the NWO. HHH/Shield/Orton/Heyman vs Bryan/Punk (and maybe Ziggler) would be ideal. The faces should be outnumbered.
- Don't rely on Cena saving the day. His return would be the perfect chance to turn him. Tease that he's going to join the rebels, then have him turn on them. At that point, if the SHIELD are still over, they could be turned face, and join the rebels either as SHIELD or with each guy being repackaged (which is going to happen at some point anyway).
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2013 21:15:22 GMT -5
- Don't rely on Cena saving the day. His return would be the perfect chance to turn him. Tease that he's going to join the rebels, then have him turn on them. At that point, if the SHIELD are still over, they could be turned face, and join the rebels either as SHIELD or with each guy being repackaged (which is going to happen at some point anyway). I feel like it would show more faith in Bryan on WWE's part if they push him as a face while Cena is present and still a face. A face Cena can step aside and let Bryan have the spotlight. A heel Cena would just hijack the story and make it about how "John Cena has turned his back on the WWE Universe" which would undermine Bryan just as much as him "saving the day" would. If Cena gets involved, then branch him off into a feud with Ambrose or teaming up with two other faces against the Shield.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 1, 2013 21:23:10 GMT -5
I think people would enjoy it more if they stop looking at it with Bryan in the place of Austin and more in the role of Mankind; who spent a majority of that storyline getting beat up by the Corporation.
I'm enjoying it so far. It's kind of hard not to cheer for Bryan in his role of "never say die" babyface, and when somebody finally does help him the pop will be worth it.
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