"I hate the HHH and Orton corporate storyline......"

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Sept 2, 2013 10:02:01 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

I like the story so far, but for the love of god they need to stop ending every show the same way. there's a reason people got tired of the NWO. this angle's only been going 3 weeks and I'm already tired of every show ending with the Shield gangbeating Daniel Bryan.

I don't mind this, along with Orton needing MITB AND a HHH turn to win the title, plus Bryan did manage to run off the Shield on Smackdown It's building the idea that if it's anywhere close to fair, he can beat any of them. It's just the numbers and unity of the Corporation keeping him down.

I think the only person who's coming off as weak(that doesn't seem to be part of the bigger story like Miz/Ziggler/Show) is Orton, he's the pampered champ who only holds the belt because the boss says so, and who said as much standing 2 feet away from him. Bryan's a hero, Shield are vicious attack dogs, just at the time they were starting to run out of ideas for them, and HHH is great as the new, more serious and vicious boss.

With Punk off in this Heyman feud, Bryan's in the number 1 face spot, he's doing the Mick Foley routine. The people love him, he has the talent, but is held down because his face doesn't fit. Every time HHH etc. put him down, it's not framed as though they're right or justified in any way, they're clearly talking out of their ass so I don't see it as a burial.

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I actually have the feeling, on thinking it over further, that this storyline might go the opposite way of what everyone's suspecting; with all these beatdowns and the like, and the roster clearly wanting to help, I could kind of see something where the match at Night of Champions gets made a lumberjack match or something and the roster costs Orton the title, and the storyline becomes about Triple H throwing everything he can at Bryan to try to get the title off of him. I'd prefer they stick to him chasing it and eventually winning it at Mania, but I could see them going that route instead.

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Sept 2, 2013 15:07:32 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Sept 2, 2013 8:00:20 GMT -5 Citizen Snips said:

Most of the "How I'd Book It" ideas I've seen have been a variation on

A. Daniel Bryan destroys everyone by himself.
B. Daniel Bryan teams up with my other favorite wrestler (CM Punk and/or Dolph Ziggler) and they destroy everyone together.
C. Cena returns as a heel in some variation of either Hogan's or Bret's heel turn. Then Daniel Bryan destroys him.

I understand why people are concerned about the storyline going forward, but most of the alternatives being suggested are just as horrible/unoriginal.

For me, I just want Bryan to have one or more allies that can help him without making him look too weak. Punk is too big of a name that he'd just hijack the angle. Someone like Big Show or a face turned Ryback pretty much HAS to wreck everyone because as big guys, that's what their characters do, which ultimately makes Bryan look like he needs his hand held.

I don't get this thinking, everyone in this story has a clear goal that must be attained. Daniel MUST win the WWE Title, becoming the face of WWE in spite of the corporation. Big Show MUST snap and give Bryan much needed backup. Ziggler and Miz have to once and for all(well, for now) become true babyfaces and actually be heroic. Bryan is Luke Skywalker, Miz and Ziggler are Han Solo and Show is Chewbacca.

About your lowercard suggestion, you can't just throw guys like Ryder or Riley out there, they're not part of this and it doesn't even make sense for them to risk their jobs when they aren't involved in this.

As for my opinion on the story, I'm loving it. I know there's a high chance WWE ends this horribly, but I'm enjoying the ride so far. I really love how they integrated social media to actually support an angle. "Why are Ziggler and Show involved?" Because their tweets got them in trouble. Miz being involved makes sense as well, due to his history with HHH. I also love how they've updated the story for 2013. There is no WCW, these guys can't just jump ship, they can't afford to lose their jobs. The Corporation are true villains and I await the day when they get their comeuppance. Of course I'm not completely convinced they will get it, but the writing has been good so far.

[kidglov3s]

Sept 2, 2013 16:36:51 GMT -5 @ricrocket said:

About your lowercard suggestion, you can't just throw guys like Ryder or Riley out there, they're not part of this and it doesn't even make sense for them to risk their jobs when they aren't involved in this.

Aww, if it wasn't Riley, Miz and Ryder it wouldn't be CATCH_US/MIZ.

[Error]

Here is what I said in another thread about not watching because of this:

Aug 31, 2013 22:19:21 GMT -5 Error said:

Right now actually. It started when I realized I was going to miss Summerslam which killed my buzz. I didn't want to get hyped for something I wasn't going to get to see. Then they went this current stuff with DB and the New Corp. and it has kept me away. Hard to really explain but I was wanting a crowning moment at Summerslam, not a tease for later. Throw in that I like Trips too much to want to watch him as a heel. It has completely turned me off WWE which sucks because I really want to keep up with the Punk stuff as it was entertaining. Plus I miss Cena which is surprising.

I was still watching some WWE before Summerslam but nothing now. To me it's nothing to do with "Oh shit it's Triple H" or another rehash of the evil boss shit, I wanted to see Bryan get the title at Summerslam and be The Guy. I know some will say he is that now but it's not what I was wanting and this story, however good it may be, killed my interest in WWE.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Sept 2, 2013 16:36:51 GMT -5 @ricrocket said:

Sept 2, 2013 15:07:32 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

For me, I just want Bryan to have one or more allies that can help him without making him look too weak. Punk is too big of a name that he'd just hijack the angle. Someone like Big Show or a face turned Ryback pretty much HAS to wreck everyone because as big guys, that's what their characters do, which ultimately makes Bryan look like he needs his hand held.

I don't get this thinking, everyone in this story has a clear goal that must be attained. Daniel MUST win the WWE Title, becoming the face of WWE in spite of the corporation. Big Show MUST snap and give Bryan much needed backup. Ziggler and Miz have to once and for all(well, for now) become true babyfaces and actually be heroic. Bryan is Luke Skywalker, Miz and Ziggler are Han Solo and Show is Chewbacca.

About your lowercard suggestion, you can't just throw guys like Ryder or Riley out there, they're not part of this and it doesn't even make sense for them to risk their jobs when they aren't involved in this.

As for my opinion on the story, I'm loving it. I know there's a high chance WWE ends this horribly, but I'm enjoying the ride so far. I really love how they integrated social media to actually support an angle. "Why are Ziggler and Show involved?" Because their tweets got them in trouble. Miz being involved makes sense as well, due to his history with HHH. I also love how they've updated the story for 2013. There is no WCW, these guys can't just jump ship, they can't afford to lose their jobs. The Corporation are true villains and I await the day when they get their comeuppance. Of course I'm not completely convinced they will get it, but the writing has been good so far.

^i agree with the assessment of Miz and Ziggler and how they need this angle to solidify their face turns. But for Big Show it just reeks of them trying give him something to do because he's "too high up the card to not be doing anything" and thus I can't get behind him. Thing is, Like you said, Show is involved because his tweets got him in trouble. Why did it need to be Show. It could've been anyone speaking out against HHH. I only suggested low card guys because they can help Bryan and get a rub with little to no chance of possibly outshining him. Miz and Ziggler due to being yo-yo'ed up and down the card can identify with Bryan as "kindred spirits". Likewise low level guys can be seen as being "held down" by the company, and they can rally around Bryan because they see him as their hero. Show cannot do that.

I would've much preferred Show return as a heel. Even with Cena, Sheamus, and Kane MIA and Orton turning, it still feels unbalanced.

[Hit Girl]

Ziggler would be fine, but please not Miz. He's the type of guy I think NEEDS to have his head kicked in by SHIELD, just for being a douche.

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Over MacMahon'd

That's my issue at least

That and the last time they tried something like this Kevin Nash texted himself and Cena saved the day.

["American Nightmare" B.B. Bart]

Sept 2, 2013 18:05:25 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

Over MacMahon'd

That's my issue at least

That and the last time they tried something like this Kevin Nash texted himself and Cena saved the day.

I guess it's fortuitous that Cena is resting up and Kevin Nash is nowhere near the WWE (or a cellphone, for that matter).

[cool guy]

I think the main difference between this and the Punk storyline is that Punk was raging against the real company's horrible structure and management, which was incredibly cathartic for us frustrated fans, but the fact that we could clearly see the company not changing those things put a damper on the whole thing.

Meanwhile, the Daniel Bryan version of the angle is playing into the complaints we had with a wink and a nod, exaggerating them for the purpose of the story and clearly showing the company in the wrong. They restructured all the booking and writing from the top down just to play into this angle, and that gives me a lot more faith that they can actually pull it off.

[Dukect]

This storyline was f***ed after HHH explained himself and man that was stupid explanation I feel that if they went with Sean Carless typed up a couple of weeks ago this storyline would of been greatness instead of being shitty

[Kash Flagg]

I was excited by this whole thing, but it lessens more and more with each passing week that nothing...NOTHING bad happens to the bad guys. I get what they are doing, but they need to give the good guys small victories here and there. Otherwise it's just depressing.

[RIHT]

Sept 2, 2013 20:18:40 GMT -5 Kash Flagg said:

I was excited by this whole thing, but it lessens more and more with each passing week that nothing...NOTHING bad happens to the bad guys. I get what they are doing, but they need to give the good guys small victories here and there. Otherwise it's just depressing.

I think because this will be a long feud, proportionately-speaking, both sides will be even in the end.

[Rick Mad]

The angle isn't bad but I pretty much hate Orton and Trips both, soooo eh. Do the same story and replace those characters with two different people and it'd be better from my perspective.