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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 8, 2013 9:33:02 GMT -5
I dunno, inducting The Poffos all in at once is like Ric asking for them to be inducted with his family as The Flair family if Flair wasn't in the HOF and passed away before he got the chance. If Hogan ask the same of the Hogan Family if Hulk wasn't in the HOF and passed before he got the chance. Yes Flair and Hogan would be in, but then basically that means Nick and Brooke and Horace Hogan and David and Reid Flair are in the HOF. It's just like, they weren't The Flair Family or The Hogan Family, or The Hart Family. They not the Von Erichs, which were very sad circumstance, either. Dude is a headliner, and his brother and his father shouldn't be "headlining" with him. But let's play ball for a minute. What if they could put Lanny and his dad in as a dual induction and have Randy headline. That way, they still all go in together. I agree with the guys saying that the shouldn't be any reason why the WWE can't just induct the Poffos in as a unit per Randy's wishes. I just worry that it will look so... incongruous during the ceremony. So I agree, couldn't they induct Randy separately and then also induct Lanny and Angelo that night? Wouldn't that fit Randy's wishes? Seems like the best scenario to me. that's how I see it. if you MUST induct Angelo and Lanny, make them separate inductions so that Randy can take center stage like he deserves. putting them in as one group induction is, as mentioned before, barely a step up from inducting "the Flairs".
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Post by chazraps on Sept 8, 2013 9:33:46 GMT -5
No, they're going to do this anyway. Having the fans at the Hall of Fame inductions has been nothing but horrIble. Security never enforces the dress codes or any sense of decorum, allowing the mouth-breathers to ruin whatever they want unchecked. To be fair, these "mouth-breathers" were likely fans that counted where the WWE needed fans the most. Doesn't give them the right to act sub-human.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 9:36:57 GMT -5
You'd think passive-aggression is something one would grow out of by the time they are a senior citizen. Passive-aggression is BS. You can care a lot about something (and be angry) without having fire shooting out of your ears. Just because he chose to be civil about it doesn't make his emotions any less valid.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 8, 2013 9:41:22 GMT -5
Its barely a real Hall of Fame (I don't see a hall to go to) Why the WWE choose this line to set is beyond me. Not like both weren't legitimate figures in wrestling and would it ruin the legitimacy at any point if they did this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 9:42:22 GMT -5
You'd think passive-aggression is something one would grow out of by the time they are a senior citizen. Passive-aggression is BS. You can care a lot about something (and be angry) without having fire shooting out of your ears. Just because he chose to be civil about it doesn't make his emotions any less valid. No it's the "go ahead, shit all over my brother's wishes. see if I care" thing. It's giving them permission but still being a dick and guilt tripping them about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 9:44:35 GMT -5
Passive-aggression is BS. You can care a lot about something (and be angry) without having fire shooting out of your ears. Just because he chose to be civil about it doesn't make his emotions any less valid. No it's the "go ahead, shit all over my brother's wishes. see if I care" thing. It's giving them permission but still being a dick and guilt tripping them about it. Because they want to induct him solo, and he's not going to be obstructionist, but he clearly wants no part of doing something against his late brother's wishes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 9:58:40 GMT -5
No it's the "go ahead, shit all over my brother's wishes. see if I care" thing. It's giving them permission but still being a dick and guilt tripping them about it. Because they want to induct him solo, and he's not going to be obstructionist, but he clearly wants no part of doing something against his late brother's wishes. Yeah, I see why he's not happy. I just didn't like how it was all phrased, like "I don't need your money, hmph. You're bad people, just go ahead and be bad." That's fine, but I get to call him passive-aggressive, because that's exactly what it is.
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Post by mrtuesday on Sept 8, 2013 11:25:57 GMT -5
WWE could have inducted him years ago, if they wanted to. It's a bit of a dick move to wait until he's dead to finally make the effort to induct him.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 8, 2013 21:01:39 GMT -5
I really think he should do the acceptance speech.
Really genius is a great character. Angelo Poffo is cool. I mean the inducted All 6 von erichs into the hof.
Why not induct the poffos?
I am sure HHH Will try and reach out to the guy.
Mike and Chris Von Erich did nothing in wrestling.
The Genius is just as stand out as koko or ivan putski.
Just make it happen HHH
It is what's best for business
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 7:32:26 GMT -5
Question about something I've always wondered: when Lanny says "induct them together like they did the Erichs," is Lanny saying that Randy just wanted Angelo and Lanny inducted (on their own) in the same class as him, or that "The Poffos" will be inducted as one entry?
Because while I can totally accept all 3 on their own together, as a family it's senseless considering the vast importance Randy has on his own to the business and the WWF/E, as well as a good guess that the majority of WWE fans (and even WWF ones of old) don't even know Macho's dad was a wrestler.
So I'm curious if Lanny (and maybe even Randy before him?) is pushing them to go in as a single family unit.......which means if the WWE is offering all 3 seperately, and Randy/Lanny are scoffing at that, then this will never happen legitimately and happily...
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 9, 2013 7:39:35 GMT -5
Question about something I've always wondered: when Lanny says "induct them together like they did the Erichs," is Lanny saying that Randy just wanted Angelo and Lanny inducted (on their own) in the same class as him, or that "The Poffos" will be inducted as one entry? Because while I can totally accept all 3 on their own together, as a family it's senseless considering the vast importance Randy has on his own to the business and the WWF/E, as well as a good guess that the majority of WWE fans (and even WWF ones of old) don't even know Macho's dad was a wrestler. So I'm curious if Lanny (and maybe even Randy before him?) is pushing them to go in as a single family unit.......which means if the WWE is offering all 3 seperately, and Randy/Lanny are scoffing at that, then this will never happen legitimately and happily... I don't think Lanny's even gotten that technical with it. I bet he'd accept the offer if WWE offered to induct the family like they did with Peter Maivia and Rocky Johnson, where they had separate inductions, but they were done back to back with The Rock inducting both. In this way, the inductions seemed related but still individual. WWE could induct The Genius, then induct Angelo Poffo, and then end the sequence by inducting Randy Savage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 7:47:43 GMT -5
Question about something I've always wondered: when Lanny says "induct them together like they did the Erichs," is Lanny saying that Randy just wanted Angelo and Lanny inducted (on their own) in the same class as him, or that "The Poffos" will be inducted as one entry? Because while I can totally accept all 3 on their own together, as a family it's senseless considering the vast importance Randy has on his own to the business and the WWF/E, as well as a good guess that the majority of WWE fans (and even WWF ones of old) don't even know Macho's dad was a wrestler. So I'm curious if Lanny (and maybe even Randy before him?) is pushing them to go in as a single family unit.......which means if the WWE is offering all 3 seperately, and Randy/Lanny are scoffing at that, then this will never happen legitimately and happily... I don't think Lanny's even gotten that technical with it. I bet he'd accept the offer if WWE offered to induct the family like they did with Peter Maivia and Rocky Johnson, where they had separate inductions, but they were done back to back with The Rock inducting both. In this way, the inductions seemed related by still individual. WWE could induct The Genius, then induct Angelo Poffo, and then end the sequence by inducting Randy Savage. That's what I've figured......but then the "von Erichs" bit gets brought into it and I start to wonder if Randy got weird about it at that point (that was, according to Lanny at least, when he decided he wanted his dad and brother in too, meaning it seemed like he was ok going solo before 2009) and made that particular technical decision a breaking point. I also just noticed the bit in Shoyuweenie's comments about inducting Angelo and Lanny together as one (they teamed together in Angelo's old promotion, IIRC) - that'd be a better route than singles, IMO, because while you can probably make a good case for Angelo on his own, Lanny would be....a lot weaker. He was the Genius. Ok. And? At least as a duo Lanny's WWF career would be on equal footing, and look more impressive, with what he and his dad did together.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 9, 2013 8:02:48 GMT -5
The HOF is a joke anyway
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 9, 2013 8:08:29 GMT -5
I think the value of any Hall of Fame is really dependent on what the people in that industry place on it. If they place a high value on being inducted, then that really matters a lot more than what any layman thinks. You could look in any hall of fame and probably find someone who doesn't belong (in MLB's case, you'd find cronyism on a level that even Vince would scoff at).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 14:25:32 GMT -5
I think the value of any Hall of Fame is really dependent on what the people in that industry place on it. If they place a high value on being inducted, then that really matters a lot more than what any layman thinks. You could look in any hall of fame and probably find someone who doesn't belong (in MLB's case, you'd find cronyism on a level that even Vince would scoff at). I would say that inducting people who never wrestled there is a sign that Vince either wants that vibe from the rest of the industry........or he just wants HIS HoF to be the one and only that anyone in the world notices. ......dammit, I was just starting to convince myself of the former, but then I had to go type the latter.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Sept 9, 2013 15:41:16 GMT -5
I think the value of any Hall of Fame is really dependent on what the people in that industry place on it. If they place a high value on being inducted, then that really matters a lot more than what any layman thinks. You could look in any hall of fame and probably find someone who doesn't belong (in MLB's case, you'd find cronyism on a level that even Vince would scoff at). I would say that inducting people who never wrestled there is a sign that Vince either wants that vibe from the rest of the industry........or he just wants HIS HoF to be the one and only that anyone in the world notices. ......dammit, I was just starting to convince myself of the former, but then I had to go type the latter. If the new reports are true about WWE wanting to turn the NBA City at Universal Studios in Florida into their physical Hall of Fame, then Vince won't have too much of a problem having his HoF be the only one the world notices. Hall of Fame in Amsterdam, New York. Hall of Fame in Waterloo, Iowa. WWE Hall of Fame in Orlando, Florida
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 9, 2013 16:10:01 GMT -5
Question about something I've always wondered: when Lanny says "induct them together like they did the Erichs," is Lanny saying that Randy just wanted Angelo and Lanny inducted (on their own) in the same class as him, or that "The Poffos" will be inducted as one entry? Because while I can totally accept all 3 on their own together, as a family it's senseless considering the vast importance Randy has on his own to the business and the WWF/E, as well as a good guess that the majority of WWE fans (and even WWF ones of old) don't even know Macho's dad was a wrestler. So I'm curious if Lanny (and maybe even Randy before him?) is pushing them to go in as a single family unit.......which means if the WWE is offering all 3 seperately, and Randy/Lanny are scoffing at that, then this will never happen legitimately and happily... I don't think Lanny's even gotten that technical with it. I bet he'd accept the offer if WWE offered to induct the family like they did with Peter Maivia and Rocky Johnson, where they had separate inductions, but they were done back to back with The Rock inducting both. In this way, the inductions seemed related but still individual. WWE could induct The Genius, then induct Angelo Poffo, and then end the sequence by inducting Randy Savage. I do like that. Genius has to be inducted by sandow in full kayfabe
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 16:12:40 GMT -5
I'd have Lanny and Angelo inducted early in the show as a part of those who don't make the TV cut, but are still mentioned with a short clip. Then I'd have Miss Elizabeth who definitely deserves to be in, esp. in a class with Randy and then eventually induct Randy as one of the biggest names of the class even though he's not with us anymore.
I think having two deceased inductees in one class isn't a big downer to the people because they still get the chance to right a wrong and celebrate the lives and careers of an all time great, and the greatest Diva ever.
Also if that's not enough, to lighten up the mood someone well spoken and funny as Kevin Nash should get in. And to end the show, have the Ultimate Warrior in as well.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 9, 2013 17:00:47 GMT -5
Anymore...I just don't care.
Vince had SO many opportunities to induct Savage before the Von Erich situation, but chose not to. He chose newer stars and younger guys as opposed to people who could have easily waited a few years down the road. Just like we'll likely get D-X or the New Age Outlaws before we get Demolition or the Rock and Roll Express. I personally disagree with Savage over the Von Erich thing, since the reason they were all inducted was simply as a cohesive induction, it hides the personal tragedies a little better than it would be to go and induct Fritz, then Kerry, then David or something. But again, WWE always puts a spin on their own machine, so it's not like the HOF means much really. As much as people complain about Koko being in there, I'm more annoyed by inducted a Four Horsemen group that was barely together for 8 months...simply because WWE couldn't fathom a way to get Windham and Arn/Tully inducted on their own accords. The same thing will happen with D-X, when they eventually get inducted or even worse the Kliq. While this last HOF was indeed great, I just don't see that tradition continuing. Whereas WWE should easily be closing out the Golden Age inductions, they're cherry picking from 4 generations of guys, simply because they don't care THAT much.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 9, 2013 17:54:20 GMT -5
I would say that inducting people who never wrestled there is a sign that Vince either wants that vibe from the rest of the industry........or he just wants HIS HoF to be the one and only that anyone in the world notices. ......dammit, I was just starting to convince myself of the former, but then I had to go type the latter. If the new reports are true about WWE wanting to turn the NBA City at Universal Studios in Florida into their physical Hall of Fame, then Vince won't have too much of a problem having his HoF be the only one the world notices. WWE Hall of Fame in Orlando, Florida I wonder what they'll use as the big statue - Vince Mcmahon - Bruno - Hulk Hogan - Austin - Cena
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