FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 10, 2013 19:26:57 GMT -5
1. That Batman analogy doesn't work. A small supporting role in a Batman film is not "making it." AJ winning the Divas Title is symbolic. It's confirmation that her dream really has come true. It's a life-altering moment for her. Besides, plenty of people that have never worked on a Batman movie have Batman tattoos. Why? Because they love Batman. 2. It's not a dumb tattoo to her. It's not dumb period. It doesn't stand out. She can't see it. It doesn't draw attention. It's not a horrible design. It's meaningful to her. A tattoo like that isn't something you wind up regretting later. It's not even close to that outlandish. I'm really struggling to figure out why being a fan of the entertainment industry you're in is a bad thing. 1. What if their goal was always to be in Batman? What if as a kid they loved Batman and became an actor just to be in Batman and they felt that having 10 lines in a Batman movie is their life success? And yes, people do get tattoo's of Batman, Anime etc and I never understood it. A tattoo is usually there for life how are the people with Batman tattoo's going to explain that to their children someday? 2. It's there for life though. What if the WWE does the wrong thing by her and she hates the company? What if she stops being a fan of the company and becomes a business woman (Which she should be doing) and recognizes the belt simply means job security and that's it? Then the tattoo is dumb to her also. 1. "Well, kids, I really like Batman and it was important to me." That simple. 2. So basically, if she does what you want and become an emotionless shell, she might forget how she achieved her dream, and come to possibly regret the unobtrusive tattoo that she'll never see without a mirror? I'm sure she'll be heartbroken- Oh wait, no, even in that situation she won't care, since she'll be devoid of these human things called feelings.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 10, 2013 19:27:01 GMT -5
Yeah let's criticize someone who faced a lot of hardships in life and got a tattoo to commemorate her finally realizing her dream
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Sept 10, 2013 19:28:11 GMT -5
What I'm getting from Meltzer is "If you're gonna be a wrestler, don't be passionate about it. Just show up, get paid, get laid and screw everything else."
Cause you know, people like that are held in such regard in the industry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:28:42 GMT -5
Yeah let's criticize someone who faced a lot of hardships in life and got a tattoo to commemorate her finally realizing her dream A lot of wrestlers go through knee-deep shit to realize their dreams. I mean no disrespect to AJ but I just don't get this defense. Were her hardships more valid than other wrestlers who get roundly criticized on here?
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 10, 2013 19:29:54 GMT -5
Why believe that Meltzer is lying or wrong about this (meaning the backstage attitude regarding lower-card belts)? Like, what differentiates it from all the other shit he says that gets posted on this board? He committed the unforgivable sin of going against board view. OH SHIT THE BOARD HAS BECOME SENTIENT! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Sept 10, 2013 19:30:50 GMT -5
1. Yeah it's her body. No one's telling her not to do it, or she should have it removed, but If you're publicly going to show people, it's fair game to say whether or not you think it's dumb.
2. Why on the back of the neck? I get wanted to put it in a place non-obtrusive. But isn't a tattoo like this, if just meant for a personal reminder to herself, be some place she can see and appreciate it?
So either:
It's a personal expression, free for debate on it's coolness, or it's a private reminder that she person who's keeping track can't see and appreciate.
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Post by Clueless Steve on Sept 10, 2013 19:31:32 GMT -5
Yeah let's criticize someone who faced a lot of hardships in life and got a tattoo to commemorate her finally realizing her dream A lot of wrestlers go through knee-deep shit to realize their dreams. I mean no disrespect to AJ but I just don't get this defense. Were her hardships more valid than other wrestlers who get roundly criticized on here? Nobody said anything like that. It was pointing out why it was a big deal to AJ. Nobody is taking anything away from other wrestlers here or saying they didn't do anything. Not even sure how you got there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:33:52 GMT -5
Considering what a lot of wrestlers have used needles for over the years, I approve.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 10, 2013 19:34:07 GMT -5
I just don't think it's a coincidence that JBL was mocking her for her tattoo. Remember whose voice is in that earpiece.
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Post by SOR on Sept 10, 2013 19:34:15 GMT -5
1. What if their goal was always to be in Batman? What if as a kid they loved Batman and became an actor just to be in Batman and they felt that having 10 lines in a Batman movie is their life success? And yes, people do get tattoo's of Batman, Anime etc and I never understood it. A tattoo is usually there for life how are the people with Batman tattoo's going to explain that to their children someday? 2. It's there for life though. What if the WWE does the wrong thing by her and she hates the company? What if she stops being a fan of the company and becomes a business woman (Which she should be doing) and recognizes the belt simply means job security and that's it? Then the tattoo is dumb to her also. 1. By showing their kids why they love Batman? By introducing them to Batman themselves and bonding over the mutual interest? 2. That scenario is highly unlikely. Anyway, getting on bad terms with the WWE doesn't mean that AJ still won't love wrestling. She won the biggest prize a female wrestler can win. Good terms or not, that will never stop being special. 1. You can do that without a tattoo. I think a tattoo should be something that's a major life accomplishment. Having a child would be worthy of a tattoo, getting married to someone you're in love with would be worthy of a tattoo, a quote that got you through a rough time in your life would be worthy, Military platoon numbers, dates of service. The date where you were given a prop in an entertainment company should not be a major life accomplishment. She should view it as a way to make more money, a way to market herself but she doesn't she's a mark for a belt that was given to her. That's all. 2. She did "win" the top title a woman can win but the question is, should she care? I mean, it's a professional industry you don't want to look like a fan in the locker room and she'd stand out as a mark because to my knowledge no other wrestler has a tattoo marking the date that they "made it" 1. What if their goal was always to be in Batman? What if as a kid they loved Batman and became an actor just to be in Batman and they felt that having 10 lines in a Batman movie is their life success? And yes, people do get tattoo's of Batman, Anime etc and I never understood it. A tattoo is usually there for life how are the people with Batman tattoo's going to explain that to their children someday? 2. It's there for life though. What if the WWE does the wrong thing by her and she hates the company? What if she stops being a fan of the company and becomes a business woman (Which she should be doing) and recognizes the belt simply means job security and that's it? Then the tattoo is dumb to her also. 1. "Well, kids, I really like Batman and it was important to me." That simple. 2. So basically, if she does what you want and become an emotionless shell, she might forget how she achieved her dream, and come to possibly regret the unobtrusive tattoo that she'll never see without a mirror? I'm sure she'll be heartbroken- Oh wait, no, even in that situation she won't care, since she'll be devoid of these human things called feelings. I didn't say she had to be emotionless. Why is a photo and a replica belt on the wall of her living room not good enough? I mean it'd be a great conversation piece and she can simply put it away when something becomes more important to her (Such as children, husband etc)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:35:00 GMT -5
A lot of wrestlers go through knee-deep shit to realize their dreams. I mean no disrespect to AJ but I just don't get this defense. Were her hardships more valid than other wrestlers who get roundly criticized on here? Nobody said anything like that. It was pointing out why it was a big deal to AJ. Nobody is taking anything away from other wrestlers here or saying they didn't do anything. Not even sure how you got there. Possibly because most of what we do on this board is criticize and critique wrestlers. And the post I quoted mocks making such criticisms, despite how important criticism is to the function of this board. People can criticize whoever they want to on here. We're free to disagree with it, but nobody is off-limits. That includes AJ.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:35:35 GMT -5
1. Yeah it's her body. No one's telling her not to do it, or she should have it removed, but If you're publicly going to show people, it's fair game to say whether or not you think it's dumb. 2. Why on the back of the neck? I get wanted to put it in a place non-obtrusive. But isn't a tattoo like this, if just meant for a personal reminder to herself, be some place she can see and appreciate it? So either: It's a personal expression, free for debate on it's coolness, or it's a private reminder that she person who's keeping track can't see and appreciate. Just like getting it prints on a place with bone directly underneath (like getting something prints on your rib/s) it'll hurt when it's applied and always be memorable due to that. Tattoo culture stuff.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Sept 10, 2013 19:35:35 GMT -5
I think Meltzer's point was that people who are seen as overly passionate about the business (to the point where they are emotional about things like title wins) are historically taken advantage of by promoters. He probably wanted to say that AJ should look over her shoulder for people who want to use this to bury or misuse her.
Unfortunately, he came across as a total condescending jerk while saying it.
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Post by Sektor on Sept 10, 2013 19:36:17 GMT -5
I just don't think it's a coincidence that JBL was mocking her for her tattoo. Remember whose voice is in that earpiece. I mean, it's JBL. I don't think he needed to be prompted to be a dick about this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:38:33 GMT -5
I just don't think it's a coincidence that JBL was mocking her for her tattoo. Remember whose voice is in that earpiece. I mean, it's JBL. I don't think he needed to be prompted to be a dick about this. She's a girl, so he couldn't rape her in the shower afterwards like if she was a male talent and had to verbally insult her instead.
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 10, 2013 19:40:09 GMT -5
1. By showing their kids why they love Batman? By introducing them to Batman themselves and bonding over the mutual interest? 2. That scenario is highly unlikely. Anyway, getting on bad terms with the WWE doesn't mean that AJ still won't love wrestling. She won the biggest prize a female wrestler can win. Good terms or not, that will never stop being special. 1. You can do that without a tattoo. I think a tattoo should be something that's a major life accomplishment. Having a child would be worthy of a tattoo, getting married to someone you're in love with would be worthy of a tattoo, a quote that got you through a rough time in your life would be worthy, Military platoon numbers, dates of service. The date where you were given a prop in an entertainment company should not be a major life accomplishment. She should view it as a way to make more money, a way to market herself but she doesn't she's a mark for a belt that was given to her. That's all. Boy gee that Eddie guy was such a loser for crying and calling his wife after Vince decided to book him to win the wwe title. I mean he didn't even work hard or anything to get it.
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Post by Clueless Steve on Sept 10, 2013 19:42:32 GMT -5
1. By showing their kids why they love Batman? By introducing them to Batman themselves and bonding over the mutual interest? 2. That scenario is highly unlikely. Anyway, getting on bad terms with the WWE doesn't mean that AJ still won't love wrestling. She won the biggest prize a female wrestler can win. Good terms or not, that will never stop being special. 1. You can do that without a tattoo. I think a tattoo should be something that's a major life accomplishment. Having a child would be worthy of a tattoo, getting married to someone you're in love with would be worthy of a tattoo, a quote that got you through a rough time in your life would be worthy, Military platoon numbers, dates of service. The date where you were given a prop in an entertainment company should not be a major life accomplishment. She should view it as a way to make more money, a way to market herself but she doesn't she's a mark for a belt that was given to her. That's all. 2. She did "win" the top title a woman can win but the question is, should she care? I mean, it's a professional industry you don't want to look like a fan in the locker room and she'd stand out as a mark because to my knowledge no other wrestler has a tattoo marking the date that they "made it" 1. People get tattoos for various reasons. It's freedom of expression. People get inked for things they love. Look at CM Punk. He's got a damn Pepsi logo on his shoulder and a GI Joe logo on the other. If pro wrestling is your life, what exactly is wrong with celebrating reaching as high as you can go? She's dreamed about it her entire life. She's a fan. There is nothing wrong with that. Plenty of pro wrestlers are pro wrestling fans. It's why most went into the business to begin with. You see all those videos of the Hardyz in their backyard? What about the ones of Cena as a kid? What about the one of AJ standing in line for a wrestling show and crying when meeting Lita? To some, it's a business. For others, it's their dream job they love because they're fans first. 2. No other wrestlers have tattoos marking said date, to our knowledge. They just have shrines in their homes filled with nothing but props from a entertainment company. The way you're talking, no wrestler ever should care about what they do or get emotional about anything. Nobody should tear up when getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. Hell, there shouldn't even be a Hall of Fame. After all, they're not real accomplishments. It's all phony and entertainment.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 10, 2013 19:44:30 GMT -5
Yeah let's criticize someone who faced a lot of hardships in life and got a tattoo to commemorate her finally realizing her dream A lot of wrestlers go through knee-deep shit to realize their dreams. I mean no disrespect to AJ but I just don't get this defense. Were her hardships more valid than other wrestlers who get roundly criticized on here? That AJ Lee struggle, ya'll.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:45:01 GMT -5
He committed the unforgivable sin of going against board view. OH SHIT THE BOARD HAS BECOME SENTIENT! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Damnit now my post is wrapped up in this silly 'board hivemind sentiment. At least you made fun of it haha
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 10, 2013 19:46:40 GMT -5
OH SHIT THE BOARD HAS BECOME SENTIENT! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Damnit now my post is wrapped up in this silly 'board hivemind sentiment. At least you made fun of it haha You know I love ya...and so does the board. I'd get a restraining order.
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