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Post by xCompackx on Sept 17, 2013 0:56:15 GMT -5
Y'know to be honest, I'm really just loving the fact that Raw feels less hateful with Cena gone. I really don't miss seeing a Cena promo and have 80% of the crowd shit all over it. I know he has a huge fanbase and he's going to come back sooner than later, but I really hope Creative sees what they have right now and doesn't mess it up.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Sept 17, 2013 4:14:00 GMT -5
I'd be happy with a Cena return in his own isolated storyline ala Punk. If he gets involved in the New Corp angle, he'll eclipse the other stars and likely dilute the storyline.
Bryan, Rhodes, Miz and Big Show are hugely benefitting from this. Awesome heroes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 4:31:37 GMT -5
So I was just thinking about how much I enjoy the current big storyline in WWE, even though I'm not a fan of Daniel Bryan at all (nor of Orton/Triple H, so it's not about getting a vicarious thrill out of seeing Bryan getting the crap beaten out of him either), and I realized it has a lot to do with what a breath of fresh air it feels like to have this big Cena-less vacuum at the top of the card, in spite of the fact that I'd typically rather watch Cena than any of these guys. I think it's because this situation actually reminds me of the New Generation, the pro wrestling era I look back on with the most nostalgic fondness, where there was this rotating annual cast of top babyfaces. Luger in '93, Bret in '94, Diesel in '95, Shawn in '96, a clusterf*** in '97, finally stabilizing with Austin in '98... it had this fun feel of progression, because you'd see guys rising and falling through the ranks relatively quickly. Looking back on it, I know the main reason for it was that no one between Hogan and Stone Cold was successful enough to really be the company figurehead that Vince was looking for, and I'll assume it's better for business when there's a massively popular guy on top, but I still missed the format in the modern era. It meant you could enjoy it even when you got bland losers like Bret Hart and now Daniel Bryan as the top faces, because everything felt like it was in a permanent state of flux and you could expect new developments soon. So even though I know this is only a temporary stretch until Cena comes back from surgery, and even though it's built around a bunch of guys who suck, this is still a great angle that I'm having a great time watching. Out of curiosity, considering you think Orton, Bryan and HHH suck, which guys would you make the main focus of WWE with Cena gone?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 17, 2013 4:55:48 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, considering you think Orton, Bryan and HHH suck, which guys would you make the main focus of WWE with Cena gone? But since he's out too... Santino, R-Truth, Bray Wyatt, Mark Henry (if he's healthy), Ricardo Rodriguez, Brodus Clay, and Primo. (Mind you, if we're talking about what's best for THIS BUSINESS rather than personal entertainment factor, then really, you pretty much have to slap Triple H or some other recognizable Attitude Era star all over the show the way they're doing to compensate for the current lack of Cena.)
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Post by Crimson on Sept 17, 2013 7:42:54 GMT -5
I'd be happy with a Cena return in his own isolated storyline ala Punk. If he gets involved in the New Corp angle, he'll eclipse the other stars and likely dilute the storyline. Bryan, Rhodes, Miz and Big Show are hugely benefitting from this. Awesome heroes. They sort of tried that last year with giving Cena feuds independent of Punk's title reign. He ended up jacking Punk's storylines (Johnny Ace, AJ Lee) twice. I know this is getting old, but Cena needs to go heel. Have him return as his goofy self, but in the end, Cena backstabs Bryan and takes Orton's spot as the Corporate Champion.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 17, 2013 7:48:57 GMT -5
It's always been beneficial long term for over-pushed top acts to disappear for awhile, thus forcing Vince's hand to stop just going to the same well over and over and develop new top acts instead. We saw it in '93 when Hogan left. We saw it again in '98 with Stone Ciold after Bret & HBK were history. And again in '99 when Austin went down and Rock and HHH stood up. And now we're seeing it with Bryan in Cena's (much needed) absence. The company only ever seems to grow or evolve when given no other option. Sometimes it works, (most times), sometimes it doesn't. But there is no growth in backing the same horse for eternity. Having all your eggs in just one basket never lasts forever. It seemed like they really got gun-shy about it after they tried to book Jericho as the top babyface during the last time HHH was the ultra-monster heel in charge (in fact, they seem to be doing the EXACT same story with Bryan right now, down to stripping the title and firing the ref), though.
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Post by Crimson on Sept 17, 2013 7:56:48 GMT -5
It's always been beneficial long term for over-pushed top acts to disappear for awhile, thus forcing Vince's hand to stop just going to the same well over and over and develop new top acts instead. We saw it in '93 when Hogan left. We saw it again in '98 with Stone Ciold after Bret & HBK were history. And again in '99 when Austin went down and Rock and HHH stood up. And now we're seeing it with Bryan in Cena's (much needed) absence. The company only ever seems to grow or evolve when given no other option. Sometimes it works, (most times), sometimes it doesn't. But there is no growth in backing the same horse for eternity. Having all your eggs in just one basket never lasts forever. It seemed like they really got gun-shy about it after they tried to book Jericho as the top babyface during the last time HHH was the ultra-monster heel in charge (in fact, they seem to be doing the EXACT same story with Bryan right now, down to stripping the title and firing the ref), though. I don't think Jericho was ever meant to be "Top Babyface." The Rock and Mic Foley were Triple H's primary opponents during that period.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 17, 2013 7:59:34 GMT -5
I once said that the guy who helps Bryan out would look like a "million f***ing bucks" in doing so. Those roster guys definitely looked damn good saving DB last night.
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 17, 2013 8:08:26 GMT -5
I'd book Cena as more of a "legacy" wrestler like HBK was during his 02-10 run. He can still be in major angles and even the main event, but he doesnt need the belt anymore (maybe a short 3-4 month "thank you" run).
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 17, 2013 8:16:06 GMT -5
Personally I think the booking has been top quality. WWE is addressing all the weak parts of the product. The ending to Raw yesterday was top quality. I also loved the Big Show/SHIELD/Dusty segment. The moment when Big Show held Dusty after the KO was compelling. Great stuff.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 17, 2013 8:19:15 GMT -5
I once said that the guy who helps Bryan out would look like a "million f***ing bucks" in doing so. Those roster guys definitely looked damn good saving DB last night. Oh definitely, just listen to all the barking that Titus O'Neil was getting before Bryan hit the knee strike.
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Post by Bootista on Sept 17, 2013 8:20:53 GMT -5
Has been excellent. Stephanie and HHH look like Corporate scumbags which is awesome
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 17, 2013 9:58:12 GMT -5
The thing I am amazed by is that the announcers last night didn't state the obvious about the fast count screwjob: HHH obviously paid off Armstrong to make that count if it came down to Bryan having a clear pin, in order to simply strip him the next night. It astounded me that the announcers never stated the obvious here. Daniel Bryan would have to be the world's biggest moron to engage in a goofy conspiracy with a ref knowing full well that HHH would be glad to strip him of the title if there was the slightest impropriety.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 17, 2013 10:11:56 GMT -5
The thing I am amazed by is that the announcers last night didn't state the obvious about the fast count screwjob: HHH obviously paid off Armstrong to make that count if it came down to Bryan having a clear pin, in order to simply strip him the next night. It astounded me that the announcers never stated the obvious here. Daniel Bryan would have to be the world's biggest moron to engage in a goofy conspiracy with a ref knowing full well that HHH would be glad to strip him of the title if there was the slightest impropriety. Lawler tried to bring it up at some point but JBL wouldn't let him get a word in.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 17, 2013 10:21:12 GMT -5
I don't like he's gone. If he was here this corporation nonsense would've been defeated about 2 weeks in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 11:24:12 GMT -5
I once said that the guy who helps Bryan out would look like a "million f***ing bucks" in doing so. Those roster guys definitely looked damn good saving DB last night. I just know that if Cena were around, the roster would have waited until Cena gave a speech of "Daniel Bryan is in peril, I'm gonna go on a rant now that buries the entire midcard for not doing anything and establishes at this point that even if they do help, it's a reflection of my ability to rally the troops and nothing to do with them, so they gain nothing and I still won't bridge the gap between my haters and fans."
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 17, 2013 12:23:07 GMT -5
I don't like he's gone. If he was here this corporation nonsense would've been defeated about 2 weeks in. That's why it's good that he's gone, though. The show can use a few months without Deus Ex Johncena.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 17, 2013 12:28:18 GMT -5
I don't like he's gone. If he was here this corporation nonsense would've been defeated about 2 weeks in. That's why it's good that he's gone, though. The show can use a few months without Deus Ex Johncena. That's the point. With the Big Good of WWE gone as the Corporation begins to impose its will, time for new heroes to rise up and take the fight to Corporate H.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 17, 2013 12:42:21 GMT -5
I don't like he's gone. If he was here this corporation nonsense would've been defeated about 2 weeks in. And 50% of the crowd would be supporting the evil totalitarian regime, instead of close to 0%.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 17, 2013 12:47:26 GMT -5
I don't like he's gone. If he was here this corporation nonsense would've been defeated about 2 weeks in. And 50% of the crowd would be supporting the evil totalitarian regime, instead of close to 0%. This is probably why they had Stephanie and HHH berate Orton, too, since at the moment, the live crowds still want to cheer him.
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