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Post by cool guy on Sept 18, 2013 17:02:29 GMT -5
I think going the same "the internet was RIGHT" route they did with Triple H would be okay, but probably not the best thing they could do.
I dunno, personally I'd have Cena become steadily more delusional after defeating the Undertaker. He just accomplished the greatest possible feat in all of wrestling, a feat that is by definition unrepeatable by any other wrestler for the rest of the WWE's history.
With this laid on top of everything else he's done, on top of having a longer run as "the guy" than even Hulk Hogan ever did, John Cena truly starts to believe that he's the greatest wrestler in the history of the industry. Triple H thinks he knows what's best for business, but Cena would think he IS the business. He'd start thinking of himself as this christlike figure that carries the entire WWE on his back. The company lives or dies by John Cena's actions, and he's skilled enough to genuinely back up most of his claims, at least for a few months.
Who wouldn't want to see that guy knocked down a peg?
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Post by mrjl on Sept 18, 2013 17:06:39 GMT -5
As I've said before, Cena's devotion is to WWE, and WWE has never been represented as anything but the authority figures on screen, who are almost entirely corrupt. Cena's love for WWE is based on something that he has never defined. He's Ronald McDonald. He's a corporate mascot. Like Punk said, he IS the establishment. Even more so than Hulk Hogan who at least defined his devotion as being to the Hulkamaniacs, rather than the company itself. Cena has the Cenation And while you say the WWE is the McMahon family, the fact is there would still be a company if their plane crashed with no survivors(grim idea but it's true)and in fact they probably wouldn't even miss an airing of a show so there is more to WWE than just the McMahons
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Post by lemonyellowson on Sept 18, 2013 22:08:04 GMT -5
I think going the same "the internet was RIGHT" route they did with Triple H would be okay, but probably not the best thing they could do. I dunno, personally I'd have Cena become steadily more delusional after defeating the Undertaker. He just accomplished the greatest possible feat in all of wrestling, a feat that is by definition unrepeatable by any other wrestler for the rest of the WWE's history. With this laid on top of everything else he's done, on top of having a longer run as "the guy" than even Hulk Hogan ever did, John Cena truly starts to believe that he's the greatest wrestler in the history of the industry. Triple H thinks he knows what's best for business, but Cena would think he IS the business. He'd start thinking of himself as this christlike figure that carries the entire WWE on his back. The company lives or dies by John Cena's actions, and he's skilled enough to genuinely back up most of his claims, at least for a few months. Who wouldn't want to see that guy knocked down a peg? man, on here would be gold if cena ended the streak
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 19, 2013 7:57:48 GMT -5
As I've said before, Cena's devotion is to WWE, and WWE has never been represented as anything but the authority figures on screen, who are almost entirely corrupt. Cena's love for WWE is based on something that he has never defined. He's Ronald McDonald. He's a corporate mascot. Like Punk said, he IS the establishment. Even more so than Hulk Hogan who at least defined his devotion as being to the Hulkamaniacs, rather than the company itself. Cena has the Cenation And while you say the WWE is the McMahon family, the fact is there would still be a company if their plane crashed with no survivors(grim idea but it's true)and in fact they probably wouldn't even miss an airing of a show so there is more to WWE than just the McMahons The ratio of declaring his love for the "CeNation" compared to the "WWE" would be miniscule. And the issue of real world ownership of WWE is irrelevant compared to the on-screen portrayal. In the kayfabe context where Cena declares his undying devotion to WWE, the company since around 1997 has been linked inexorably with the corrupt McMahons and their various minions.
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Post by "American Nightmare" B.B. Bart on Sept 19, 2013 9:52:33 GMT -5
I think going the same "the internet was RIGHT" route they did with Triple H would be okay, but probably not the best thing they could do. I dunno, personally I'd have Cena become steadily more delusional after defeating the Undertaker. He just accomplished the greatest possible feat in all of wrestling, a feat that is by definition unrepeatable by any other wrestler for the rest of the WWE's history. With this laid on top of everything else he's done, on top of having a longer run as "the guy" than even Hulk Hogan ever did, John Cena truly starts to believe that he's the greatest wrestler in the history of the industry. Triple H thinks he knows what's best for business, but Cena would think he IS the business. He'd start thinking of himself as this christlike figure that carries the entire WWE on his back. The company lives or dies by John Cena's actions, and he's skilled enough to genuinely back up most of his claims, at least for a few months. Who wouldn't want to see that guy knocked down a peg? man, on here would be gold if cena ended the streak The outrage might be overshadowed on here by people rejoicing over a major WrestleMania moment for Daniel Bryan.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 19, 2013 15:33:57 GMT -5
man, on here would be gold if cena ended the streak The outrage might be overshadowed on here by people rejoicing over a major WrestleMania moment for Daniel Bryan. I wouldn't mind Cena ending the streak if it turned him heel in the process. While I do believe the streak adds to the mystique and excitement of Taker's character, and I feel he should keep it, but I wouldn't be mad at all if Cena ended it and they used it in a fashion to freshen his character.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 19, 2013 17:08:55 GMT -5
Cena has the Cenation And while you say the WWE is the McMahon family, the fact is there would still be a company if their plane crashed with no survivors(grim idea but it's true)and in fact they probably wouldn't even miss an airing of a show so there is more to WWE than just the McMahons The ratio of declaring his love for the "CeNation" compared to the "WWE" would be miniscule. And the issue of real world ownership of WWE is irrelevant compared to the on-screen portrayal. In the kayfabe context where Cena declares his undying devotion to WWE, the company since around 1997 has been linked inexorably with the corrupt McMahons and their various minions. for you maybe, not for me. Who knows with anyone else. In fact I'd say it's more linked to the people who kick the corrupt McMahon's asses
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Post by cool guy on Sept 19, 2013 17:12:46 GMT -5
The outrage might be overshadowed on here by people rejoicing over a major WrestleMania moment for Daniel Bryan. I wouldn't mind Cena ending the streak if it turned him heel in the process. While I do believe the streak adds to the mystique and excitement of Taker's character, and I feel he should keep it, but I wouldn't be mad at all if Cena ended it and they used it in a fashion to freshen his character. Thing is, Undertaker doesn't need the mystique once he's retired. We're getting diminishing returns off the streak matches, and it would be nice to take that whole aura and give it one last go, to take that legend he's built up and blow it all up in one final bang. People are saying the streak should go unbroken, but then we just get the same moment we've been getting for years, instead of something truly shocking and memorable.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 19, 2013 18:17:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Cena ending the streak if it turned him heel in the process. While I do believe the streak adds to the mystique and excitement of Taker's character, and I feel he should keep it, but I wouldn't be mad at all if Cena ended it and they used it in a fashion to freshen his character. Thing is, Undertaker doesn't need the mystique once he's retired. We're getting diminishing returns off the streak matches, and it would be nice to take that whole aura and give it one last go, to take that legend he's built up and blow it all up in one final bang. People are saying the streak should go unbroken, but then we just get the same moment we've been getting for years, instead of something truly shocking and memorable. Taker remaining undefeated adds to the character. Hence why certain fans don't want his streak broken. Granted, it's not legitimate like an undefeated NBA or NFL team winning it all would be. But it adds a unique element to an already well established legend within the professional wrestling medium. Either way, I still stand by that I wouldn't mind Cena breaking it. Just as long as he turns into an arrogant, annoying, and delusional douchebag heel out of it.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 19, 2013 18:18:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Cena ending the streak if it turned him heel in the process. While I do believe the streak adds to the mystique and excitement of Taker's character, and I feel he should keep it, but I wouldn't be mad at all if Cena ended it and they used it in a fashion to freshen his character. Thing is, Undertaker doesn't need the mystique once he's retired. We're getting diminishing returns off the streak matches, and it would be nice to take that whole aura and give it one last go, to take that legend he's built up and blow it all up in one final bang. People are saying the streak should go unbroken, but then we just get the same moment we've been getting for years, instead of something truly shocking and memorable. ending the streak would be a slowly deflating balloon at best, not a bang. At worst it would be an albatross around the neck of the person who broke the streak for the rest of his career.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 19, 2013 19:05:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Cena ending the streak if it turned him heel in the process. While I do believe the streak adds to the mystique and excitement of Taker's character, and I feel he should keep it, but I wouldn't be mad at all if Cena ended it and they used it in a fashion to freshen his character. Thing is, Undertaker doesn't need the mystique once he's retired. We're getting diminishing returns off the streak matches, and it would be nice to take that whole aura and give it one last go, to take that legend he's built up and blow it all up in one final bang. People are saying the streak should go unbroken, but then we just get the same moment we've been getting for years, instead of something truly shocking and memorable. What diminishing returns? Each WrestleMania has seemingly made more money than the last these last few years.
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Post by cool guy on Sept 19, 2013 23:03:23 GMT -5
Thing is, Undertaker doesn't need the mystique once he's retired. We're getting diminishing returns off the streak matches, and it would be nice to take that whole aura and give it one last go, to take that legend he's built up and blow it all up in one final bang. People are saying the streak should go unbroken, but then we just get the same moment we've been getting for years, instead of something truly shocking and memorable. What diminishing returns? Each WrestleMania has seemingly made more money than the last these last few years. Admittedly this is more of a personal preference than anything, but from a creative standpoint I thought all the tropes and bits associated with "Streak Matches" have grown more and more worn out over the last few years, especially after the HBK/HHH matches really tried to scale it all up each time. But you're right, it's a definite cash cow.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 20, 2013 4:57:52 GMT -5
The ratio of declaring his love for the "CeNation" compared to the "WWE" would be miniscule. And the issue of real world ownership of WWE is irrelevant compared to the on-screen portrayal. In the kayfabe context where Cena declares his undying devotion to WWE, the company since around 1997 has been linked inexorably with the corrupt McMahons and their various minions. for you maybe, not for me. Who knows with anyone else. In fact I'd say it's more linked to the people who kick the corrupt McMahon's asses In such a case (which happens rarely) said people are fighting against WWE, not representing it.
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