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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 3, 2013 11:15:49 GMT -5
LMAO, of f***ing course he did. Why did they think he wouldn't?
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 3, 2013 11:53:07 GMT -5
Hogan lacks creativity. If I was quitting my job and had full creative control over it, I'd do a storyline where I was quitting to become a lion tamer.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 3, 2013 12:00:46 GMT -5
Hogan is the face of the company brothas. AJ Styles is a good hand. He's C minus brothas.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 3, 2013 12:03:45 GMT -5
Really looking forward to seeing how a positive spin can be put on this. Hogan's gone.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 3, 2013 12:25:33 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get about this entire deal. Why even do a storyline exit for Hogan? I'd just quietly let his deal run out and then he's gone, if any of this creative control stuff is true. The way to get around a guy controlling how he is booked, after all, is to not book him. Personally I think TNA has botched the entire thing. Let's face it, the whole payoff to this year in TNA needed to be at BFG with Hogan's side triumphing finally over Aces and Eights and running them off. Instead they cut Brooke, the whole Hogan/Bully storyline falls apart, TNA releases people left and right, the Aces and Eights crater, and now we have a heel Dixie Carter.
TNA has shown time and time again that they cannot pay off obvious storylines. How hard is it to have some stips to the main event of BFG involving an Aces and Eights break up or "If AJ wins then Brooke is free from Bully?" From there it is easy to write Brooke out and Hulk can follow soon after and go out on a relative up note.
Lastly, the whole Hogan issue is being framed wrong. Instead of asking if Hogan is going to go back to WWE or stay in TNA, I think we need to ask why either of them would bother with Hogan at this point. He's 60, can't wrestle anymore, can't draw anymore, and doesn't want to get anyone over. What exactly is the point of signing him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 12:52:08 GMT -5
Hogan lacks creativity. If I was quitting my job and had full creative control over it, I'd do a storyline where I was quitting to become a lion tamer. But I doubt they would be allowed to mention Chris Jerichos name on Impact.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 3, 2013 12:58:31 GMT -5
he has creative control to the point they have to use him on TV even? I mean why not just let the contract run out?
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 3, 2013 13:03:31 GMT -5
There's no reason to re-sign him. As mentioned before, he's too old, can't wrestle, is only interested in himself, and hasn't done anything to improve TNA.
If WWE do re-sign him, hopefully it's not as an on-air talent, and it's limited to making occasional appearances at PR events that I'll never see.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 3, 2013 13:44:59 GMT -5
I've got a pretty strong stomach and don't offend easily, but one of the few things that would have me switching off WWE in disgust is the sight of Hogan coming in with that "me so humble" look on his face. f*** this guy to the moon.
Surely Vince and HHH have far better business minds to take this guy back?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 3, 2013 13:48:29 GMT -5
I've got a pretty strong stomach and don't offend easily, but one of the few things that would have me switching off WWE in disgust is the sight of Hogan coming in with that "me so humble" look on his face. f*** this guy to the moon. Surely Vince and HHH have far better business minds to take this guy back? Considering how much of the WWE audience believed RVD and Christian left wrestling altogether during their TNA runs, no doubt they'll eat up Hogan's "long-awaited return to sports entertainment".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 13:53:09 GMT -5
It kind of makes sense in storyline context, i.e. AJ saying that Dixie didn't care about all of the others and wanted to bring in the big names, so yes, Dixie would beg Hulk to stay and blow off AJ. What blows my mind is that TNA actually gave Hogan creative control, Vince would laugh him out of the room and tell him to hit the bricks.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 3, 2013 14:03:27 GMT -5
Well, if I was Dixie and Hogan did not return, I would shoot on him the next week that Hogan left because he didn't want to be here.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 3, 2013 14:33:53 GMT -5
I don't really see what's so "crazy" or "stupid" about that segment, tbh. Heel Dixie says "It's my way or the highway", fully expecting everybody to fall in line and get on Team Dixie (because she's clearly delusional and thinks TNA wouldn't exist without her); the biggest name in wrestling history calls her bluff, and chooses to leave rather than to join Team Dixie ; Dixie's desperate, and doesn't want Hogan to leave. Makes sense to me. In the grand scheme of things (= in Heel Dixie's delusional eyes) GM Hogan has more value than AJ Styles (who's been nothing but a headache for her the past few months). (no need for creative controlling this stuff) You made a logical assumption about the booking of hogan in tna You win this time What ruined bfg was the releases of major talents that fudged storylines Hogan quitting and dixie begging him to stay puts her over as delusional. Hulkster will quietly replace flair in the ambassador wwe mascot role. Especially with how wwe are putting him over online, in commercials, and on tv. Hulk is headed to wwe and to help promote wwe2k14.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 14:40:30 GMT -5
THERE SHOULD BE MORE REJOICING IN HERE!
HULK'S REIGN OF TERROR IS OVER! WOOO TNA!
f***, Bischoff's still around, never mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 15:00:51 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the WWE wouldn't bring Hogan back on-screen is out of touch with reality. He is still the biggest name in wrestling history and this being the twilight of his on-screen career, the WWE would definitely bring him back for some nostalgia pops and segments. As a full-time character? Probably not, but they also wouldn't bring him back just to have him hide in the background for promotional events. Please. The WWE can still make money off of him and Hulk can still make money in the WWE. You think if Hogan shows up at WM that people wouldn't mark out for him? Come on.
As far as his exit, again, from the storyline standpoint it makes sense. From what I gather, here is the storyline subplot..
- AJ Styles' contract is running out (or has run out) and is upset with Dixie over years of being pushed aside in favor of "big name" stars. - Dixie turned heel, comfirming that she never viewed AJ highly, and that she does in fact value big named stars. - Hogan wanted to sign AJ to a new contract, and AJ agreed to it, but Dixie ripped it up, and in doing so gave Hogan the ultimatum to join her. - Hogan refused, quit, and Dixie (being the star-obssessed hound that she is) begged him to stay.
Nothing above is illogical based on the storyline. It fits every character perfectly (at least the way they appear to want each character portrayed) and gives AJ Styles more incentive to say "screw you" to the company if/when he wins the title at BFG.
I asked this question in the spoiler thread, what was the alternative that Hogan allegedly turned down? That Dixie would fire him? That Dixie make Hulk cry like Big Show? I mean, what was the end game supposed to be? The entire year's worth of storylines was built around Hogan and Bully Ray/A&8. Then Brooke got released. Then half of Aces and Eights got released. Once Brooke got released, there was no way to continue the Hulk/Bully story, and with so many A&8's members gone, there was no way to do a definitive MEM/A&8 final battle at BFG. So basically the past year, due to the budget cutting, was pointless, at least as far as Hogan's storyline is concerned, so what sort of out would you guys suggest?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 3, 2013 15:15:24 GMT -5
Newz, but Hogan, so Factz
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 3, 2013 15:59:44 GMT -5
I can't really blame him for that if they were dumb enough to sign that contract.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 3, 2013 16:02:31 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the WWE wouldn't bring Hogan back on-screen is out of touch with reality. He is still the biggest name in wrestling history and this being the twilight of his on-screen career, the WWE would definitely bring him back for some nostalgia pops and segments. As a full-time character? Probably not, but they also wouldn't bring him back just to have him hide in the background for promotional events. Please. The WWE can still make money off of him and Hulk can still make money in the WWE. You think if Hogan shows up at WM that people wouldn't mark out for him? Come on. As far as his exit, again, from the storyline standpoint it makes sense. From what I gather, here is the storyline subplot.. - AJ Styles' contract is running out (or has run out) and is upset with Dixie over years of being pushed aside in favor of "big name" stars. - Dixie turned heel, comfirming that she never viewed AJ highly, and that she does in fact value big named stars. - Hogan wanted to sign AJ to a new contract, and AJ agreed to it, but Dixie ripped it up, and in doing so gave Hogan the ultimatum to join her. - Hogan refused, quit, and Dixie (being the star-obssessed hound that she is) begged him to stay. Nothing above is illogical based on the storyline. It fits every character perfectly (at least the way they appear to want each character portrayed) and gives AJ Styles more incentive to say "screw you" to the company if/when he wins the title at BFG. I asked this question in the spoiler thread, what was the alternative that Hogan allegedly turned down? That Dixie would fire him? That Dixie make Hulk cry like Big Show? I mean, what was the end game supposed to be? The entire year's worth of storylines was built around Hogan and Bully Ray/A&8. Then Brooke got released. Then half of Aces and Eights got released. Once Brooke got released, there was no way to continue the Hulk/Bully story, and with so many A&8's members gone, there was no way to do a definitive MEM/A&8 final battle at BFG. So basically the past year, due to the budget cutting, was pointless, at least as far as Hogan's storyline is concerned, so what sort of out would you guys suggest? The alternate would be someone takes out Hogan or Dixie Carter fire Hulk Hogan, showing that she is willing to fire even the biggest name in wrestling, if she wanted to. Making Dixie cry and beg Hogan to come back (which she told AJ would NEVER happen), but he doesn't...it all makes TNA look bush league because Hogan put nothing over (no storyline or person) by doing it. There is an old saying that on your way out, you give the company SOMETHING (something every person does). Hogan didn't do that whatsoever and honestly, I am not surprised one damn bit that Hogan would once again show that he believes that he is better than everyone. The only way TNA could look good in any type of way is for Dixie Carter or someone else to cut a shoot promo akin to what Paul Heyman cut on The Network.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 16:04:20 GMT -5
I can't really blame him for that if they were dumb enough to sign that contract. Pretty much, that's taking a bear in as a pet and wondering why when it tries to eat you for breakfast one morning.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 3, 2013 16:06:06 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get about this entire deal. Why even do a storyline exit for Hogan? I'd just quietly let his deal run out and then he's gone, if any of this creative control stuff is true. The way to get around a guy controlling how he is booked, after all, is to not book him. Personally I think TNA has botched the entire thing. Let's face it, the whole payoff to this year in TNA needed to be at BFG with Hogan's side triumphing finally over Aces and Eights and running them off. Instead they cut Brooke, the whole Hogan/Bully storyline falls apart, TNA releases people left and right, the Aces and Eights crater, and now we have a heel Dixie Carter. TNA has shown time and time again that they cannot pay off obvious storylines. How hard is it to have some stips to the main event of BFG involving an Aces and Eights break up or "If AJ wins then Brooke is free from Bully?" From there it is easy to write Brooke out and Hulk can follow soon after and go out on a relative up note. Lastly, the whole Hogan issue is being framed wrong. Instead of asking if Hogan is going to go back to WWE or stay in TNA, I think we need to ask why either of them would bother with Hogan at this point. He's 60, can't wrestle anymore, can't draw anymore, and doesn't want to get anyone over. What exactly is the point of signing him? WWE could possibly get some mileage outta having him host some dvd segments or the like, or have him in the sort of "ambassador" role they were gonna give Flair. Some reward for very little risk on their part there. Like you don't make him an integral part of your show or company, but you give him a job that allows him to give you some benefit from the goodwill he has from the vast majority of fans.
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